USA v. Brian Dutcher
Filed opinion of the court by Chief Judge Wood. AFFIRMED. Diane P. Wood, Chief Judge; Kenneth F. Ripple, Circuit Judge and Ann Claire Williams, Circuit Judge. [6827818-1]  [16-1767]
United States Court of Appeals
For the Seventh Circuit
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Appeal from the United States District Court for the
Western District of Wisconsin.
No. 3:15‐cr‐00096‐wmc — William M. Conley, Chief Judge.
ARGUED SEPTEMBER 29, 2016 — DECIDED MARCH 22, 2017
Before WOOD, Chief Judge, and RIPPLE and WILLIAMS, Cir‐
WOOD, Chief Judge. On June 30, 2015, Brian Dutcher an‐
nounced on Facebook that he planned to assassinate Presi‐
dent Obama. He then drove to La Crosse, Wisconsin, where
the President was scheduled to speak on July 2. Once in La
Crosse, Dutcher repeated his plan to several people: a security
guard, the police, the Secret Service, a nurse, a doctor, and
(again) the police and Secret Service together. No one was
amused: Dutcher was charged with and convicted of two
counts of threatening the President in violation of 18 U.S.C.
§ 871(a). On appeal, Dutcher complains about the sufficiency
of the evidence and certain instructions the district court gave
to the jury. We find no error, and so we affirm.
We evaluate a challenge to the sufficiency of the evidence
de novo, construing the evidence “in the light most favorable
to the government and ask[ing] whether any rational trier of
fact could have found the essential elements of the crime be‐
yond a reasonable doubt.” United States v. Love, 706 F.3d 832,
837 (7th Cir. 2013). We also take a fresh look at the question
whether a disputed jury instruction fairly and accurately
states the law; we will “reverse only if the instructions, taken
as a whole, misled the jury.” United States v. Lawrence, 788 F.3d
234, 245 (7th Cir. 2015).
President Obama was scheduled to give a speech at the
University of Wisconsin–La Crosse on Thursday, July 2, 2015.
On Tuesday, Dutcher posted this on his Facebook page: “thats
[sic] it! Thursday I will be in La Crosse. hopefully I will get a
clear shot at the pretend president. killing him is our
CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY!” Later posts reprised the theme.
In one, Dutcher added that “I have been praying on [sic] going
to D.C. for 3 months and now the usurper is coming HERE.
… pray for me to succeed in my mission.” The next morning
(Wednesday) Dutcher carried out the first part of his plan—
he drove the 45 miles from Tomah, where he lived, to La
Things went downhill from there. Dutcher stopped by the
La Crosse Public Library, where his acquaintance Travis Good
worked as a security guard. Dutcher greeted Good and told
him “I’m here to kill the President, the usurper, tomorrow at
his speech.” When Good replied that such statements were il‐
legal, Dutcher simply said “[w]atch me” and walked off.
Good alerted his supervisor, who passed the word along to
the police, who dispatched two investigators. The investiga‐
tors found Dutcher nearby in his van and, after he confirmed
his threat, they asked him to come to the station for Secret Ser‐
vice questioning. Dutcher agreed, exhibiting a demeanor one
of the investigators would later recall as “mellow.”
The description was apt. During his two‐hour interview
with the Secret Service, a remarkably candid Dutcher claimed
that it was his biblical and constitutional duty to assassinate
the President, boasted that he could kill a person with a sling‐
shot (one was later found in his van, though Dutcher had no
other weapons), informed the agents that he had also made
threats on Facebook, and consented to a search of his account.
After the interview Dutcher was detained overnight at a hos‐
pital for a mental health evaluation. See Wis. Stat. § 51.15.
There he reiterated his violent intentions to both a nurse and
a doctor. And he was not done yet. Dutcher was arrested the
next day and repeated his threats during the ensuing inter‐
view. Despite all this, he was found competent for pretrial re‐
lease—a finding he does not challenge on appeal.
Based on the initial Facebook post and the statement to
Good, a grand jury indicted Dutcher on two counts of know‐
ingly and willfully threatening the President in violation of 18
U.S.C. § 871(a). After a two‐day trial, the district court in‐
structed the jury, in relevant part, that it could find willfulness
if the government proved Dutcher “either actually intended
his statement to be a true threat, or that he knew that other
people reasonably would view his statement as a true threat
but he made the statement anyway.” The jury found Dutcher
guilty of both counts, and the district judge sentenced him to
36 months’ imprisonment and three years of supervised re‐
Section 871(a) criminalizes “knowingly and willfully”
making “any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict
bodily harm upon the President of the United States.” The
charged statement must be a “true threat,” which has been
defined for First Amendment purposes as “a serious expres‐
sion of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence to a
particular individual or group of individuals.” Virginia v.
Black, 538 U.S. 343, 359 (2003). In United States v. Fuller, 387
F.3d 643, 646 (7th Cir. 2004), we held that a “true threat” for
purposes of section 871(a) is defined objectively. A communi‐
cation, we wrote, “is a ‘true threat’ if a reasonable person
would foresee that the statement would be interpreted by
those to whom the maker communicates the statement as a
serious expression of an intention to inflict bodily harm upon
or to take the life of the President.” Id. (internal quotation
marks omitted). Addressing a different statute, 18 U.S.C.
§ 875(c), which criminalized the transmission of any threat to
kidnap or injure another, the Supreme Court held that the
speaker must know that his communication contains a threat.
Elonis v. United States, 135 S. Ct. 2001, 2009–11 (2015).
A true threat does not require that the speaker intend to
carry it out, or even that she have the capacity to do so. Black,
538 U.S. at 360 (First Amendment); United States v. Parr, 545
F.3d 491, 498 (7th Cir. 2008) (18 U.S.C. § 2332a, prohibiting a
threat to use a weapon of mass destruction against a federal
government building). The prohibition against threats pro‐
tects against the fear they engender as well as the risk that
they may be carried out. Black, 538 U.S. at 360. Still, the scope
of a true threat is ultimately quite circumscribed. Section
871(a) does not criminalize offensive jokes or political hyper‐
bole—bad taste, in other words, is not a crime. Watts v. United
States, 394 U.S. 705, 707–08 (1969); Fuller, 387 F.3d at 647.
Dutcher insists that he was obviously unable to carry out
his threats, and so they could have been nothing more than
overheated rhetoric. He was certainly not trying to hide any‐
thing, and it is also undisputed that he had no ticket to the
President’s speech and was armed only with a slingshot (al‐
beit a high‐powered Wrist Rocket). But the significance of
these facts was for the jury, not appellate review. More
broadly, Dutcher is missing the point. He was charged with
threatening the President under § 871(a), not with the separate
crime of attempting to assassinate him under 18 U.S.C. § 1751.
His lack of capacity is relevant only insofar as it suggests that
his threats were not genuine. Dutcher’s emphasis on his
chance of success also overlooks the fact that § 871(a) permits
conviction for threats to “inflict bodily harm upon the Presi‐
dent.” Dutcher told investigators that he used his slingshot to
hunt small animals, and (actually comparing himself to Da‐
vid) that he could kill a man with it. The jury was entitled,
based on this evidence, to find that Dutcher was capable of
injuring the President with his slingshot, and it could have
convicted him on that basis.
Dutcher also suggests that no one took his statements se‐
riously, and that this indicates that he did not intend them to
be true threats. Security camera footage of Good’s unruffled
response to Dutcher’s remarks supports this view—Good re‐
mains calm throughout the interaction and even wraps up a
bit of computer work before heading off to report the incident.
Yet the operative word in that sentence is “report.” Calm or
otherwise, Good took Dutcher seriously enough that he re‐
ported him around 30 seconds after their interaction. Moreo‐
ver, his description was evidently alarming enough to cause
his supervisor to contact the police. A reasonable juror could
conclude Dutcher knowingly and willfully made a true
Dutcher’s contention that his Facebook post was not taken
seriously since nobody who saw it informed the police (in
fact, he got two “likes”) also falls short of undermining the
jury’s conclusion. Granted, his case is a bit different from Elo‐
nis, the Supreme Court’s most recent word on true threats.
Elonis’s Facebook posts frightened their targets enough to
prompt them to contact the authorities. Elonis, 135 S. Ct. at
2005–06. Nothing in Elonis, however, excludes the possibility
of an unreported true threat. Other evidence indicates that
some of Dutcher’s readers took him seriously. Gregory Re‐
men, for one, responded to the charged post by encouraging
Dutcher to “[t]ry voting” and asked “how will killing the pres
change anything then??” The apprehensive response to
Dutcher’s follow‐up posts underscores the point—one reader
urged him to “Stay calm my friend. Please!” The jury was en‐
titled to rely on these responses, along with Dutcher’s later
behavior, to find that the threats were genuine.
The jury instructions said that Dutcher acted “willfully” if
he “either actually intended his statement to be a true threat,
or that he knew that other people reasonably would view his
statement as a true threat but he made the statement anyway.”
Dutcher reads the latter clause to allow the jury to find will‐
fulness so long as he made a statement “that other people rea‐
sonably would view … as a true threat”—that is, if it found
only objective willfulness, without the subjective willfulness
required by the statute under consideration in Elonis. But this
argument overlooks the fact that the language he highlights
was prefaced with the words “that he knew.” The instructions
did not permit the jury to find willful behavior simply be‐
cause a listener “reasonably would view” Dutcher’s statement
as a threat. Instead, it had to find that he made the statement
despite knowing, subjectively, that the listener would see it
that way. This is consistent with Elonis.
The worst we can say about the instruction is that the court
might have given Dutcher an unwarranted break when it
used the term “reasonably.” As worded, the instruction indi‐
cated that Dutcher not only had to know that his listener
would take his statement as a true threat, but also that the lis‐
tener’s understanding was reasonable. Consequently, if
Dutcher knew that a hypersensitive listener would unreason‐
ably see his statement as a threat, there could be no willful‐
ness. In any event, we review jury instructions as a whole; so
long as “the instructions treat the issues fairly and accurately,
they will not be disturbed upon appeal.” United States v. Coté,
504 F.3d 682, 687 (7th Cir. 2007) (citation omitted). Dutcher’s
defense at trial was that his statements were political hyper‐
bole, not credible threats. The instructions fully conveyed that
point to the jury. Elsewhere, in language Dutcher does not
challenge, they defined a “true threat” as “a serious expres‐
sion of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence,” and
they distinguished such statements from “[i]dle or careless
talk, political hyperbole or something said in a careless or jok‐
ing manner … .” This was more than enough to present
Dutcher’s theory of defense to the jury.
Dutcher urges in the alternate that § 871(a)’s mens rea of
“knowingly and willfully” requires a defendant to know that
her conduct is illegal. There is force to the argument that when
a statute uses both terms, it is asking for something more than
either term would require on its own. Thus, in United States v.
Bates, 96 F.3d 964, 970 (7th Cir. 1996), affʹd on other grounds, 522
U.S. 23 (1997), we read the same phrase in a student loan fraud
statute to require proof of a defendant’s knowledge that her
intentional conduct was unlawful. See also United States v.
Wheeler, 540 F.3d 683, 690 (7th Cir. 2008) (expressing sympathy
for the argument in dicta).
This type of heightened proof requirement, however, is
typically limited to a narrow group of “highly technical [crim‐
inal] statutes that present the danger of ensnaring individu‐
als engaged in apparently innocent conduct.” Bryan v. United
States, 524 U.S. 184, 194 (1998) (citing taxes and financial trans‐
actions as examples). Bates, which concerned the arcana of
federal student loans, falls in that category. A statute prohib‐
iting serious threats to the President does not. Elonis itself
highlights the distinction. It expressly rejected the notion that
the threat statute there, 18 U.S.C. § 875(c), required the gov‐
ernment to show that the defendant knew that his conduct
was illegal. Elonis, 135 S. Ct. at 2009. Instead, the Court fol‐
lowed “[t]he familiar maxim ‘ignorance of the law is no ex‐
cuse’ … .” Id. The same approach is proper here. The Presi‐
dent’s safety does not turn on a defendant’s familiarity with
the United States Code.
The evidence before the jury was sufficient to support both
of Dutcher’s convictions, and the jury instructions fairly pre‐
sented the relevant issues. We therefore AFFIRM the judgment
of the district court.
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