Oracle Corporation et al v. SAP AG et al

Filing 844

Declaration of Zachary J. Alinder in Support of 843 Memorandum in Opposition, to Defendants' Motion to Exclude Testimony of Paul Pinto filed byOracle International Corporation, Oracle USA Inc., Siebel Systems, Inc.. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A, # 2 Exhibit B, # 3 Exhibit C, # 4 Exhibit D, # 5 Exhibit E, # 6 Exhibit F, # 7 Exhibit G, # 8 Exhibit H, # 9 Exhibit I, # 10 Exhibit J, # 11 Exhibit K, # 12 Exhibit L, # 13 Exhibit M, # 14 Exhibit N, # 15 Exhibit O)(Related document(s) 843 ) (Alinder, Zachary) (Filed on 9/9/2010)

Oracle Corporation et al v. SAP AG et al

Doc. 844 Att. 8

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DAVID GARMUS June 4 , 2010 HI GHLY CON F I DE NT I AL - ATT ORNEYS ' E YE S ONL Y Page 1 UN I T E D S TATES D I S T R I C T CO URT NORTHERN DI S T R I C T OF C A L I F ORNIA SAN FRANCISCO D I V I S I ON

ORACLE CORPORATION , a D e l a w a r e Co r p o r a t i o n ; ORACL E , USA, IN C . , a Co l o r a d o C o r p o r a t i o n , a n d ORACL E I N T E RNA T I ONAL CORPORA T IO N, a C a l i f o r n i a Co r p o r a t i o n , Plaintiffs , N o . 0 7 - CV - 0 1 6 5 8 - P JH (EDL)

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S AP AG, a G e r m a n C o r p o r a t i o n , SAP AMERICA, I NC . , a De l a w a r e Co r p o r a t i o n , TOM RROW OW, I NC . , O N a T e x a s Co r p o r a t i o n , a n d DO E S 1 - 50 , Inclu sive , Defendants .

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Re p o r t e d b y : N a t a l i e Y . Bo t e l h o CSR No . 9 8 9 7

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