Amiga Inc v. Hyperion VOF

Filing 37

TRANSCRIPT of Proceedings held on 5/31/07, Motion for Preliminary Injunction before Judge Ricardo S Martinez. Court Reporter: B. Fanning. (SA)

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Amiga Inc v. Hyperion VOF Doc. 37 Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 1 of 41 1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT WESTERN DISTRICT OF WASHINGTON IN SEATTLE ---------------------------------------------------------------AMIGA, INC., a Delaware corporation, ) ) ) Plaintiff, ) No. C07-631RSM ) v. ) ) HYPERION VOF, a Belgium ) corporation, ) ) Defendant. ) ) ) ---------------------------------------------------------------MOTION FOR PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION ---------------------------------------------------------------- 14 15 16 17 18 APPEARANCES: 19 For the Plaintiff: 20 21 22 23 24 For the Defendant: 25 William Kinsel Kinsel Law Offices Attorney at Law Lawrence R. Cock Cable, Langenbach, Kinerk & Bauer Attorney at Law Scott Baker and Morgan Tovey Reed Smith Attorneys at Law May 31, 2007 BEFORE THE HONORABLE RICARDO S. MARTINEZ Dockets.Justia.com Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 2 of 41 2 THE CLERK: This is the scheduled oral argument on plaintiff's motion for preliminary injunction, in cause number C07-631, assigned to this Court, the case of Amiga, Inc. versus Hyperion. Would counsel rise and make their appearances? MR. BAKER: Good morning, your Honor. Scott Baker and And my colleague, Morgan Tovey, on behalf of plaintiff Amiga. Lawrence Cock is with us as well. THE COURT: MR. KINSEL: defendant. THE COURT: MR. KINSEL: other cases. THE COURT: Good morning. I am Bill Kinsel, appearing for the Mr. Kinsel, you are outnumbered over there. That's all right. I am used to that in Counsel, the Court has had a chance to review the materials in this motion for preliminary injunction. We are here for oral argument. Fairly straightforward. Each side will get no more than 30 minutes maximum. If you wish to reserve any time for short rebuttal, that is up to you to monitor your time. Mr. Tovey, if I understand correctly, you will be arguing for the plaintiff? MR. TOVEY: MR. BAKER: Actually Mr. Baker will handle it. I will be, your Honor. And I would like to reserve a little bit of time for short rebuttal, if I could, maybe five minutes or so. Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 3 of 41 3 THE COURT: MR. BAKER: That's fine. And I know you have had stacks of paper And I thrust upon you in the course of these last few days. don't want to plow through certainly things that are crystal clear. But one thing that occurred to me, I was reading the papers myself and trying to assemble all this, and try and come up with a unified theory for all the facts that have come out in this case -The one way that I was able to kind of structure my thinking about it is, obviously this case and all the rights that are involved here, the rights that emanated from Amiga and were licensed to Hyperion, the defendant, all of them emanate from a contract. promises. Here is my client sitting here at the end of the day now having to sue, having to terminate that agreement, having to seek extraordinary preliminary injunctive relief. well, how did we get to this point. And the first thing I thought of, what is it that Hyperion promised to do in this agreement. promise to do much. respect. And the first thing -I want to go through at least kind of The first thing And that was Because they didn't really And I was thinking, And we all know contracts are just a series of It is kind of an unusual agreement in that the key things that Hyperion promised to do. they promised to do was to build the Amiga OS 4.0. Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 4 of 41 4 this new and next generation operating system that they were given a license to build in connection with particular, targeted hardware. The second thing they were supposed to do, and promised to do, was to use their best efforts to not only build it but release it in a matter of months. If you read the agreement, they were supposed to have commercially available product here in March of 2001. We sit here now in May of 2007, and it is unclear In if even today Hyperion has come through with that promise. any event, the original promise in the agreement, use their best efforts to release it by March -- that should be '02, your Honor. I'm sorry. March of '02. The third thing they promised to do is, they promised to deliver this product, including all its code, object code, soft source code, any other intellectual property rights and title to my client, to Amiga, upon Amiga's payment of what Hyperion has said is a symbolic amount, a nominal amount. $25,000, the delivery of that code. The next thing -THE COURT: Before we move to the next thing, Counsel, It was to be in the language of your contract was there anything that says that has to be paid in a lump sum, installments, over time, anything? MR. BAKER: No. It just said a $25,000 payment. And it says that payment -- if there is outstanding invoices between the Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Why? Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 5 of 41 5 parties it gets first applied to that. $25,000. It could be for anything. But it is just a payment, It was -- Mr. Carton, if you And it What I read his declaration, says, it was a symbolic amount. makes sense, your Honor, because the purpose -- Amiga -am driving to is Amiga basically gets nothing out of this agreement but that code, in terms of an actual deliverable. There are provisions for royalties. OS 4.0. None of them apply to this We weren't going to get any money on OS 4.0. What we were going to get was the software, get the code. Because we only licensed them in a particular area. And we have our own development plans. And we have our own interests to protect here, and our own markets to exploit. We gave them an exclusive in a certain area, we reserved the balance for ourselves. And the deal was, we will grant you all these rights, but you have to give us the code at the end of the day when it is it all done, essentially for a nominal amount. And we will get to the other terms about that particular provision of the agreement, your Honor. The next thing that Hyperion promised, again consistent with the limited scope of their license and the fact that Amiga reserved everything else, is effectively they weren't going to compete against us in the marketplace. They were going to have This was supposed to their zone, we were going to have our zone. be a cooperative venture. The next thing that Hyperion promised us is they would Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 6 of 41 6 protect our intellectual property rights in and to the software that we provided them and the software that we were going to acquire from them after they built it. They were supposed to use under this contract their best efforts to make sure that they had the widest array of rights possible, so that when it came time to deliver the product to us we would have as wide an array of rights as possible. The next thing that Hyperion promised is that they would not usurp our rights and market opportunities; they wouldn't go out and find distributors, manufacturers, again, in our zone. And that's the ACube problem that we will be talking about here this morning. And the last thing they promised, that is not on the slide, for subsequent versions of this OS 4, 4.1, 4.2, they were supposed to pay us a royalty. Okay. So that's what they promised. And that's what they promised November of 2001. We are now at the end of May of 2007. The answer to that is What did Hyperion deliver to Amiga? very simple. Nothing. As we sit here today we haven't gotten a single thing, not a dollar, not a piece of code, not a byte, not a piece of hardware, not a machine, absolutely nothing. failure of performance here, your Honor, is total. absolutely total. Your Honor, it is worse than nothing, because now Hyperion has put itself in a competitive posture. They failed to complete It is The Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 4.0. Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 7 of 41 And maybe they 7 the Amiga OS 4.0 for commercial release timely. still haven't completed it. They failed to deliver the code and the title to Amiga on That is not undisputed. They have never disputed that. We They retained all the monies we paid them for delivery. paid them over $40,000, because there were disputes about offsets and this and that. So in order to avoid this kind of lawsuit, when you are talking about that kind of money, we kept giving them money, okay, will this take care of it, we do this without prejudice, we reserve all our rights, but let's get this over with. Still no delivery of that code. They failed to protect or preserve our rights into that 4.0. Because what we are hearing from Hyperion today is, gee, we don't really have much of that source code, that has all been contracted out and owned by third parties. They did not protect our rights, at least according to their statements into that -in that code. Your Honor, this is why we terminated the agreement. why we were forced to file this lawsuit. This is This is why we are in here today asking for injunctive relief, again, in a relatively -- I think relatively narrow areas. Now, what did Hyperion do for itself in this contract? Well, the first thing it did, and has been doing, and is part of our claim here, is they have exploited our brand. a well-known brand. The Amiga brand is Back when this contract was negotiated and Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 8 of 41 8 formed Amiga, the brand, was well-known. effectively a start up. Amiga, the company, was But Hyperion, as part of this deal, got And access to that brand, effectively a ready made market. through their efforts now they are trying to create confusion in the market, and they are succeeding. They have also taken for themselves -- put them in a position to be a first mover. given it to us. They have kept the code. They haven't So they are poised now to move into other markets, other platforms, again, beyond the scope of their license. And what does Hyperion now claim in this case? They claim, in fact, that not only can they give us nothing, not only can they trample our rights, but they claim their rights expanded. That what was once a restricted, exclusive license for a particular hardware, now they claim has been expanded into a perpetual, exclusive, unlimited, royalty-free right to distribute this product into any platform it desires. At the end of the day, if you listen to Hyperion, we enter into this contract, they promise us a few things, they deliver nothing and their rights get bigger. face here today. The code issue is the first one I want to turn to, your Honor, because that is of particular import. In this agreement Again, that is the issue we the one thing that we did bargain for is that when Hyperion was done developing this 4.0 product that we and they would be on Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 equal footing. Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 9 of 41 And, again, there 9 We would have what they have. was a market reason for that, because we needed what they were doing in order to go about our way in our markets and in our zone in those areas that we reserved for ourselves. The contractual provision that talks about the delivery of this product is in Section 3.01 and Section 2.06 of the contract. And, your Honor, here is the two provisions that relate to this. And it talks about, up in 2.06 -- it says, any time prior to completion, and no later than six months thereafter, provided the payment is made pursuant to 3.01 below, they shall -- not may or might but shall -- transfer all source code, interest, title in this product to us to the extent they can. And because there was some understanding that for certain pieces of the code, not the critical pieces, but for certain pieces they would have to go get some outside contracts going. And they agreed to use their best efforts to secure, again, the widest possible rights. Effectively we had an option, your Honor. We could elect to buy the code for $25,000, as long as we do it at any time before six months after this whole product is completed. that. We did that. We elected it pay Hyperion. The reason And we did In fact, we paid them the first time, in 2003 -- we paid them, they called up and said, we are in big time financial problems, we are on the verge of bankruptcy, we need some cash. Rather than waiting until we get done with the Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 10 of 41 10 product and then deciding to buy it at that point, would you pay it now. And we did. Each payment was It was done effectively in three tranches. towards the purchase of that software. well prior to completion. It was all done obviously This is 19 -- I'm sorry, 2003. And And they knew that the payments were for that purpose. there is an exhibit, Exhibit J to Mr. McEwen's declaration, where Hyperion sends an invoice that demonstrates in fact they knew that they were getting a payment pursuant to this article 3.01. It shows a $22,500 payment. The other piece of the payment was There was a $2,500 wire transfer done by Mr. McEwen separately. to Mr. McEwen. our election. So it was clear we elected and they acknowledged And they had our money. Now, there is a curious fact about what happened in 2003, because both parties screwed up the amount. What ended up And the happening, like I said, it was paid in three tranches. amount that should have been reflected in this invoice, that was before you, should have been $22,250, instead of $500. acknowledged receipt of $22,500. If you go back and get the checks and the wire transfer the actual amount was $24,750, but Hyperion thought it was $25,000, we thought it was $25,000. Obviously it was something that Hyperion escaped everybody's attention at the time. And one of the reasons that this doesn't matter at all is because later Hyperion came back and said not, hey, you didn't Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 11 of 41 11 pay $25,000, what they said is, gee, there are some offsets you should have been paying, additional money above and beyond what you paid. Over, again, the course of a couple of payments another $15,000 was paid to Hyperion. invoices at all. We had no obligation to pay those And they effectively got $40,000 for this And this was something, again, they brought $25,000 obligation. up a year ago in 2006 and the like. The defense that is used in this proceeding is, well, gee, you were late. They don't say, you didn't pay it. They don't They say -- they haven't said, we have given it back to you. don't say, we didn't acknowledge that you had made this election. They say, you paid it late. Now they are involved in some rewriting of history. They have one of their developers say, gee, really when we prereleased the code at the end of 2004 for developer purposes, for testing and the like, when we prereleased it that was really code completion. If your Honor remembers, the provision of the contract says six months after is the end date for payment of this money. So they are saying, gee, it all had to really be in by the middle of 2005. Well, frankly, again that is just revisionist history, your Honor. This code may not yet be complete. And if you look at Mr. Frieden's declaration, the fellow who gave this opinion, you Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 12 of 41 12 will see that the final update -- what he calls the final update for version 4.0 didn't occur until December of '06. Hyperion had $40,000 in cash of our money. And by then And it is very very clear that the payments were on time and within the time. If you look at the materials that Mr. Frieden relies on, there is a consultant's report, where a consultant was testing 4.0. He says, see, this shows 4.0 was really to go. The consultant's report shows just the opposite. The consultant's report shows that this is a beta version, meaning testing version. It shows that there are a lot of features that don't The conclusion of that report says the code is operate yet. still unstable, the code is not ready for commercial release. Here is an excerpt from that exhibit. still a beta OS. It says, "this is This report Things should improve over time." comes out after Mr. Frieden says supposedly the code was complete. Here is the conclusion. "Clearly OS 4 as it stands today is There are many rough Web not ready for general public consumption. edges with this version. Stability is still an issue. browsing situation clearly needs to be improved." So the technical argument that Hyperion is making is that somehow the payments were too late. the facts. The interesting piece of evidence I want to focus your attention on is in Exhibit Q to Mr. McEwen's reply, your Honor. It simply doesn't mesh with Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 13 of 41 That is an e-mail 13 And this is an e-mail in September of 2005. exchange between Mr. McEwen and Evert Carton, who is the principal of Hyperion. Here is the document. Carton to Bill McEwen. the Amiga principal. questions. principal. So here it is September of 2005, which if you believe Mr. Frieden, their developer, it is nine months after supposedly the code is complete. And they have our money. And McEwen asks And here is a -It's from is Evert McEwen is There are questions by McEwen. And then there are answers under those And those answers come from Carton, the Hyperion Carton, "where is our copy of the 4.0 source and object code?" And Carton says, "well, we can send you a copy of the object code of the current build of OS 4.0." They don't say, you are passed the time, you have blown your rights, the window is shut, you didn't pay enough. say any of that. They didn't We can send you the code -- the object code. We still don't have it as of today. Go back to the Of course they never did. And then he goes into talking about -previous page, please. He says, "but we can't at this stage release source code because we haven't paid our people in order to get those rights." services. And so he is not saying, again, you didn't exercise your option, you are too late, none of this stuff, illegal He talks about paying Olaf Bartell for Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 14 of 41 14 assignments, you are insolvent, none of this stuff you are reading in the papers. All he is saying is, the reason I haven't sent you the source code is because we haven't paid for it yet. This is pre-litigation, when the parties are dealing with each other, out of dispute, and this is what Hyperion is representing to Amiga at that time. I want you to compare that now to the positions they are taking in this case, that this option we had somehow was never exercised, we blew our rights or that there is some underlying issue here. We should have that code. should have had it in 06. We should have had it in '05. We We should have it today. And that is an important feature of this preliminary injunction. Your Honor, I want to go through very quickly why this particular feature of the injunction is important, because at this point the inability for us to have the code is keeping us from our own development. That is something, especially in a new venture, a relative start up, trying to attack new markets, that is a very difficult thing to recover in damages. By them hijacking our code, holding it ransom, whatever you want to call it, it is very difficult to make out a damages case when you are not yet in the market. The idea of this contract was when they had completed their code we were supposed to get it. We were supposed to be on a par with them so that we could go it about our business, they could Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 go about theirs. Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 15 of 41 15 We are not able to go about our business. They are able to go about theirs. It is going to be very difficult for us to wait another year or so, by the time we get through trial in this case, in order to get that resolved. the barn. And I want to suggest one other thing. There is no harm at They are And by then the horse may have already left all, zero harm to Hyperion to just give us the code. obligated to do it. give us the code. They have got our money. They should just Now, they say that some of their rights -- they don't have all the rights. I have two answers to that. One, give us the rights you do have. You can at least give us what you do have. Two, if all it is is paying people to get it, you are obligated to do that. Under this contract they were obligated to secure And they could do for us the widest possible zone of rights. that. And your order is what it is going to take, I'm afraid, in order to get that accomplished. I want to turn very quickly to the trademark issue, because when we talk about us being hurt in the market, the same thing is happening on the trademark side. They got an exclusive license These are valuable Amiga was for a particular zone on our trademarks. trademarks. These marks were not unknown at the time. particularly well-known, certainly within a particular niche of the computer market. Here is a picture of those marks. Those Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Honor. Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 16 of 41 16 are federal registrations. Those are all in the papers. What has happened is they are holding -- again, they hold on to our code, but they are now going beyond their zone, and they are marketing products outside of the target hardware marketplace. And that's causing a problem. And not only do they do that, but they recently announced partnership with a company called ACube. Italian company. It happens to be an ACube asked So ACube was in negotiations with us. us if they could get a license from us to use the trademarks. they knew they needed a license. All of a sudden we don't hear from ACube, they show up as Hyperion's partner, and now, again, they are acting and marketing outside of the prescribed zone in this contract. activity needs to be shut down as well. And so that And that is clear there the irreparable harm in the market is a straight trademark issue. Irreparable harm is presumed. In fact, in this case it is real and it is actual with respect to ACube. THE COURT: What do you say, Counsel, in response to their argument that Amiga actually approved of this with ACube? MR. BAKER: I didn't know that they had said that, your We I would just say the facts are absolutely otherwise. They never asked us to approve of did not approve of ACube. ACube. We didn't license ACube. They are acting totally without our authority. And the fact of the matter is, they knew they But no needed it because they came to us in the first place. Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 deal was made. Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 17 of 41 17 The next thing we know they show up on the other side of the market. THE COURT: Counsel, you are almost out of time if you I do have one other question I want to reserve five minutes. would like you to address. That is Hyperion's argument under, I think it is, Section 7.12 of the agreement of the contract -MR. BAKER: THE COURT: assignment of rights. MR. BAKER: THE COURT: MR. BAKER: two assignments. The assignment issue. Right. I would be happy to, your Honor. There were The insolvency issue. Written permission was necessary before any There were actually three events. The It is signatory to this event was Amiga Washington Corporation. called Amiga Washington. In 2003 they assigned Amiga Washington assigned rights to a company call Itec, capital I T-E-C, not to be confused with the EyeTech like the human eye. was consented to. That assignment There is a written document, Hyperion signs it, they knew of it, they consented to it. Later, I can't remember if it was 2003 or 2004, but again it is in the documents, Itec assigned the rights under these agreements to a company called KMOS. effectively owned by the same people. K-M-O-S. Itec and KMOS are They were related. Now, there is no document that at the time of the assignment says, we consent. But what there is, is a whole series of Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 18 of 41 18 documents, including that invoice that I showed you earlier about the code. There is an e-mail that accompanied that invoice where Hyperion says, do you want the invoice to go to Itec or do you want it to go to KMOS. They knew they were dealing with KMOS. If you look at the product that Hyperion is selling, it says -and we have this in our declarations, it says, sold under license from KMOS. know that. THE COURT: I just want to make sure I have this right. They know that KMOS is their licensing entity. They So you are not contesting that there is some signed document somewhere where Hyperion consented to these assignments? You are just saying they ratified these assignments by their activity afterwards? MR. BAKER: THE COURT: That is what I am saying, your Honor. All right. Counsel. You wanted to save a few minutes for rebuttal? MR. BAKER: I did. Just to round out that chain, KMOS then changed its name to the current Amiga, which is a Delaware corporation. contract. THE COURT: MR. KINSEL: Thank you. Mr. Kinsel. What I'm going That was not an event that mattered under this Good morning, your Honor. to try to do today is focus on some of the questions you have already asked plaintiff's counsel, and then move on to some of the other issues. We just ended on the question of proper Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 19 of 41 19 transfer of the rights to the current plaintiff that we see standing here. It is our position that unless Amiga Delaware has legal right and title to the 2001 contract it has no claims or rights that could be damaged. I would like to walk through the exhibits that have been produced to show that in fact no valid transfer has ever taken place. This begins with the April 24th, 2003 contract between It is Exhibit 16 to Itec, spelled I-T-E-C, and Hyperion. Mr. Carton's declaration. THE COURT: MR. KINSEL: And what we see here -- Can you rotate that, Counsel? Yeah. I have underlined some text here where it says, under 2, "Hyperion confirms for the receipt of $25,000. Hyperion shall transfer the ownership of the object code, source code and intellectual property of OS 4.0 to Itec in accordance with the provisions of the November 1, 2001 agreement between Amiga, Hyperion, Eyetech --" spelled E-Y-E-T-E-C-H "-and to the extent it can do under the existing agreement with third-party developers." a capital I and Hyperion. this agreement. Eyetech group -I will try to say Eyetech Group because This is an agreement between Itec with Amiga Washington is not a party to Eyetech spelled with the E-Y-E is not a party to this agreement. The plaintiff asserts they were defunct. I don't think the plaintiff is trying to terminate the contract that Eyetech has rights under, has the ability to simply assert without serving Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 20 of 41 20 that other party notice of this motion to claim that they are defunct. So we see here that this document in and of itself does not constitute prior written consent of at least two of the three parties to the 2001 agreement. The next document is Exhibit B to Mr. McEwen's reply declaration. Unfortunately they are not numbered. I am showing you it as Exhibit B. And it is a stock purchase and sale We see agreement of assignment of intellectual property rights. it is dated October 7th, 2003, as I have underlined. Itec, I-T-E-C, LLC, a New York company and KMOS. the first whereas clause where it is underlined. It is by We drop down to It says, "the seller is the owner of the object code --" seller being Itec "-the source code and intellectual property of an operating system known as OS 4, hereinafter referred to OS 4, previously owned by Amiga, Inc, pursuant to an agreement between Itec LLC and Hyperion VOF, dated 24th of April 2003 (attached), and acknowledged by Amiga, Inc and its CEO in a letter dated October 10th, 2003." None of these exhibits are actually attached to what was submitted by plaintiff. But the key thing here is what is an admission that Amiga Washington did not give its prior written consent. It acknowledged the supposed assignment on October 10th, 2003. With a transfer of such significance, if we believe the Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 21 of 41 21 plaintiffs, and with an insolvent corporation, one would need, I would think, corporation resolutions, board of director approval for an assignment, appropriate receipt of consideration to have actually transferred those rights. And here we have nothing. We have a document that claims That letter attached hereto is an acknowledgment from the CEO. is not attached. An acknowledgment months after the fact does not comport with prior consent. And, again, there is nothing from Eyetech Group. Next, in the reply declaration of Mr. McEwen in support of the claim that KMOS simply changed its name to Amiga Delaware, we have Exhibit G. Again, it is not numbered, so I am showing that The first page, it says as evidence of where it is coming from. Apostille, certified copy. November, 2006. It is certified on the first day of The next page is the substantive page. copy. It says, "certified Certified to be a true and correct copy of the original agreement on acquisition and assignment of trademarks between assignor Amiga, Inc and the assignee, KMOS, Inc on the 30th day of August, 2004 in respect of the intellectual properties listed in Exhibit A of said agreement." A number of observations. There is no Exhibit A attached. We do not have the supposed assignment. Number 2, this is not, as claimed, evidence of a name change by KMOS to Amiga Delaware. This is something entirely different. Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 22 of 41 22 This is a supposed assignment on the 30th day of August, 2004 of trademarks. This has nothing to do with the point that the plaintiff was trying to prove. Second point. It says that the agreement was dated on the If you drop down to the bottom, or the 30th day of August 2004. last underlined text, it shows "certified this 5th day of December, 2006." So over two years later, for a reason I am not privy to, the Reed Smith firm certified that they were attaching a document dated the 30th day of August, 2004. not attached. document? We don't know what it is. The agreement is Was this a backdated I think the date of the agreement is quite curious because the 30th of August 2004 happens to be just 30 days before the corporation, Amiga Washington, legally ceased to exist, in addition to being insolvent. As far as I can tell, this may have been an oops, we forgot to do this move, and they are trying to recreate and backdate some documentation to establish that they have the right to even use the Amiga trademarks. So, in sum, there is a total failure to show that this plaintiff has any rights through valid transfers under the 2001 agreement to anything that they are trying to get in this case. In the insolvency case we have submitted sworn testimony from Mr. McEwen the corporation was insolvent in 2002. The provision in the November 3, 2001 contract on insolvency is a self-executing provision. If Amiga Washington becomes Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 23 of 41 23 insolvent, all of its rights are transferred to my client and to Eyetech Group. have no effect. If it was a valid assignment there would be an assignment of nothing. Essentially Eyetech and Hyperion had all of the rights, A subsequent assignment, even if valid, would and unless they fully knew and were informed of this insolvency and knowingly waived, Amiga Delaware can't come in now and say, oh, because they have dealt with us all these years they have waived this issue. They had to have knowledge prior assignment to have actually waived their rights. In terms of the payments, I have some documents I could show, but I think effectively Amiga Delaware has admitted that under the best case scenario they have paid $24,750. you add together a payment for Mr. McEwen. Instead of putting it up, his evidence is a request for a wire transfer. It is not proof of a transfer. So his supposed And that is if transfer occurred a month before the assignment with Itec, I-T-E-C. And when you look at it at the top it says "request". Perhaps it does make sense to look at that. This is Exhibit H to Mr. McEwen's reply declaration. top of the page I have drawn some vertical bars. "foreign wire transfer request." actually went through. My client sent Itec, with an I, or KMOS -- actually it was addressed to Itec a receipt for $22,500. My client has stated It says, At the This is not proof that it Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 24 of 41 24 that that was a mistake because they -- it actually should have been $22,250, because the wire transfer from Tackyon, a company that is totally ignored by the plaintiffs here, and has no rights whatsoever, was misinterpreted as $2,500, and a receipt went out for $250 more than it should have. The point is, though, if Amiga Delaware or KMOS or Itec thought they had actually paid $25,000, where is the objection from them at the time saying, what are you talking about, why are you giving us an invoice for $22,500, when we paid you $2,500? Plaintiffs counsel said, oh, it was a mistake, we all thought it was $25,000. Then they should have been saying, hey, it There shouldn't be $22,500, your invoice should reflect $25,000. is no objection because they knew, the people involved in the corporation at that time, that it hadn't been paid. That also ignores the fact, and it has been admitted, that there was another $5,000 invoice. So if they had paid $25,000 they were still $5,000 short, because they had a May 5, 2001 invoice for some work done by Hyperion on a separate project all together. On another issue, did KMOS actually acknowledge after 2003 that they had not fully paid for the software and that in fact Hyperion continued to own it? We attached as Exhibit 12 -- Mr. Carton attached as Exhibit 12 to his declaration the actual signed contract between KMOS and Hyperion, signed May 26th, 2004. I have highlighted the Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 date. Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 25 of 41 25 "Agreement for the provision of software development This agreement is made and entered into this 26th day I have highlighted below, specific identification services. of May 2004." of Friedens as subcontractors, which was also identified and annexed to the 2001 contract. And the key thing here, and we are talking about payments from KMOS, Section 3.01 has underlined, "KMOS had agreed to pay Hyperion $1,000 for each eight-hour development day on this project." So there were other reasons why KMOS had to be paying So claims that they paid $40,000 total is money to Hyperion. really beside the point, and does not prove anything with respect to their compliance with the 2001 agreement. And then perhaps the most interesting for this point or this topic is Section 4.01. In this signed agreement it is Hyperion that represents, warrants and covenants that the work it is delivering is free and clear. It has title. It has ownership. In the unsigned document presented by Mr. McEwen it was reversed. It was KMOS saying we have title. That was wrong. That contract was not signed. Trying to address one of the questions that the Court asked of plaintiff's counsel, what is your response to Hyperion's contention that Amiga approved the ACube deal. And essentially this comes down to, I think, a substantial dispute of fact as to what the license agreement provided to Hyperion within -assuming that it was still in effect, that Amiga Delaware had the Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 26 of 41 26 rights under that agreement, what rights does Hyperion have. In paragraphs 22 and 23 of Mr. Carton's declaration he directly addresses that point. And he says, we have done nothing that is not permitted by that contract, assuming it was in full force and effect. And there is no effective rebuttal to that. But They claim it's -- they just assert that it is not true. a mere assertion on a preliminary injunction motion, where they have to show a substantial likelihood of success, is inadequate. They can't just claim it has been violated and try to take something that my client has invested over $1.1 million in developing. And that is essentially what they are doing. If we are looking for the big theme here, they are trying to take something that has cost my client well over a million dollars for $25,000 they never paid. And when we look at the delays in the developments, the plaintiff has essentially admitted that it did not provide all this source code that was required under the original agreements. They committed substantial material breaches that required my client to enter into literally dozens of agreements with other developers to get to the starting point. You can't complain about breaches of a timetable when you are the one that caused those breaches. My client didn't breach, they had to respond and deal with the problem that Amiga Washington had created. THE COURT: Counsel, do you have any response to -I think it was You saw the e-mail that plaintiff put up. Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Mr. Carton's. Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 27 of 41 27 The request was, where is our source code. This is where I think you really do need to Without MR. KINSEL: dig into the different definitions of the contracts. looking at it again I might misidentify it. code, there is object code. not have complete rights to. But there is source Source code is what my client does Object code, they do have a lot of. Apparently they offered to provide it. It is true that they were working with Amiga Delaware and trying to work things out. In the sense of trying to work with somebody and reach a settlement and try to avoid litigation, those things are not, again, waivers of rights under a contract. They are not proof of anything beyond the fact of what I was saying. We will give you the object code. Apparently they didn't. Did they provide it? I don't know. Obviously at this point they assert they had no obligation to do it because they hadn't been paid. What he said in that particular e-mail is open for further discovery, would be my response. That is not adequate to overcome all the defenses that my client has, to show substantial likelihood of success. Missing necessary parties to this action. necessary party to this action. Serve them. Get a default. Itec is a Okay. They claim it is defunct. Give them notice. They do not have the right to proceed and take another party's rights. If they do that I suspect that they will appear Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 28 of 41 28 and not be defunct. improper. But without giving them notice this is And they say, well, this has nothing to do with Eyetech Group. How does this injure them? Well, it injures them because Eyetech group is entitled to the same rights that Hyperion has under the insolvency provision, under the failure to transfer, under the failure to pay the $25,000 and grant the full rights. Eyetech Group has substantial rights that will be affected if this Court rules that Amiga Delaware is entitled to terminate this agreement. Because, in effect, it is acknowledging -- the Court would be acknowledging Amiga Delaware is a party to the contract, and Eyetech clearly has an interest in determining if that is the case. In terms of other third parties, the Friedens, the other dozens of developers are in Europe. There is no evidence that any of those people have ever been in this State, let alone this country. them. On Page 2 of the proposed order Amiga Delaware would have this Court order defendant Hyperion, and its contractors and each person acting in concert and participation with Hyperion, "are prohibited and enjoined from doing the following:" And, B, And the proposed preliminary injunction clearly affects "refusing to promptly provide Amiga all of the object code, source code and intellectual property of OS 4.0 in Hyperion's possession, and refusing to take steps necessary to secure Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 possession." Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 29 of 41 29 The plaintiff is seeking to have this Court extend its jurisdiction to people that unquestionably are not subject to this Court's jurisdiction. It will be impossible for my client to comply in 20 days or ten days, to compel people who are not subject to this Court's jurisdiction, to provide them with anything if they don't want to. And as the Frieden brothers' declaration make quite clear, they were assured by Mr. McEwen in February of this year, oh, no, I am not trying to take your source code through the lawsuit. And now they are. And clearly they are unhappy, and they will And they have no obligation to not agree to that sort of thing. comply with an order of that sort. THE COURT: Counsel, I recognize we are at the very early stages of litigation here, but as to date Hyperion has not objected to either venue or jurisdiction of this Court, correct? MR. KINSEL: To date, yes. Well, the contract We are reserving our rights specifically has a foreign clause. about the proper service of process under the Hague Convention. That is still under investigation as to whether or not that was properly completed. I don't think that there is any basis for Hyperion itself to say that this Court does not have jurisdiction and that this venue is not appropriate under that particular contract. Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 30 of 41 30 I guess since we are addressing that issue, I have one of the Frieden brothers contracts. provisions -declaration. Hyperion. And they specifically included It is Exhibit A, Page 13 to Hans-Joerg Frieden's It is the contract he and his brothers signed with 7.06 says, "governing law, this agreement shall be governed by and interpreted by in accordance with the internal laws of Belgium without regard to conflicts of laws and principles." Section 7.07, forum. "The exclusive jurisdiction and venue of any lawsuit between the parties arising under this agreement or out of transactions contemplated hereby shall be the courts of Leuven, Belgium, and each of the parties hereby submits itself to the exclusive jurisdiction and venue of said courts for the purpose of such lawsuits." It is my understanding the Friedens and other contractors are prepared and may have already undertaken legal actions to protect their rights in Belgium. As unfortunate as it may be, this is an international transaction and there is only so much we can do here in Washington. Another issue that the plaintiff has to prove is that they have the right to terminate the licensing agreement. asserted a variety of bases for that. delayed in producing the software. Again, essentially the plaintiff has admitted that they They have One, they claim that we Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 31 of 41 31 breached their warranties to produce that code in a timely matter. And that substantially caused that loss. They claim that we are using hardware which is inappropriate. Yet they issued press releases acknowledging that this other hardware had to be used because the initial hardware company was out of business. And they agreed to that with Eyetech Group. Again, Eyetech Group. Amiga Delaware or KMOS or Itec, or whoever it was at the time, can't use its own actions with the other party to the contract to claim that Hyperion breached by continuing to write the software for the new hardware that Amiga Delaware identified as being appropriate. That is not a valid basis for termination of the license agreement. Since we were just recently discussing technicalities, and I feel obligated to raise those for my client, the plaintiff is seeking replevin. When you seek replevin you have to file an affidavit that specifically identifies the property at issue. They can't do that. They say OS 4.0. But there are so many third-party contractors involved they cannot adequately identify it. The approximate value of the property. that. issued. And then something which was not done, subsection 4, "a certified copy of the order to show cause shall be served upon They have not done We have to set the bond if a preliminary injunction is Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 32 of 41 32 the defendant no later than five days before the hearing date." This is a statutory creation. To be entitled to replevin the They failed plaintiff has to fulfill all statutory requirements. to get a certified copy of an order to show cause and they cannot get replevin. THE COURT: another question. Counsel, your time is almost up. I had In their reply the plaintiff asks the Court to Now, I realize we strike certain of your documents as hearsay. are moving pretty fast here and setting the oral argument and everything, and technically you still have a chance to respond to that in a surreply if you wanted to. any response now? They are asking that the declaration of Carton be stricken -two declarations of Evert Carton, Mr. Frieden, two declarations -- I guess three declarations, Hans-Joerg Frieden and Thomas Frieden. MR. KINSEL: Yes, I do have a response. The Court will I am wondering if you have recall that the plaintiff filed an expedited motion for discovery. What they sought was the production of contracts, of subcontractors, of contracts with the Friedens so that this Court could justly resolve this case. I find it highly ironic that we have produced, via declarations of individuals with personal knowledge as established in those contract -- in the declarations, identifying, this is the contract I entered into with Hyperion. Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Here it is. Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 33 of 41 This is what they 33 I identify it, I attached it. were asking for. So I find it highly ironic that individuals who were specifically involved, have personal knowledge of all the issues stated in those declarations could then be subject to a complete motion to strike. I mean, essentially what they are trying to do is strike the entire factual basis for the opposition, when in fact they had just recently moved and forced us to produce that. So it is totally inappropriate. It is a reflection I think of the fact that the plaintiff realizes if the Court considers all that material they lose. December of 2004. Because the product was complete in So if you are actually allowed to consider that you realize that they should have paid by June 27th of 2005. I guess I am going off track here. had no notice. The plaintiff asserts, we Well Exhibit D to Mr. McEwen's reply declaration, in the middle, if I can get my pen out here, it actually quoted this so I found it quite curious, says, "Hyperion looks forward to exploring new business opportunities for Amiga OS 4.1. I would like to reassure all our customers that the acquisition by KMOS will not have any adverse impact whatsoever on the release of the consumer version of Amiga OS 4.0 later this year." is 2004. 2004. And the ARS Technica review, I am sure the Court realized, by That They were told it was being released at the end of Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 34 of 41 34 omission anyway, that was on an earlier release than what was released in December of 2004. So when he is reviewing it he is looking at something that was released four or five months ago. And at the end of his review he just observes, oh, and by the way, we have a new one coming out in December of 2004. is the completed version. I guess final moments on the bond, if the Court was even going to consider it, they are claiming that, oh, no, you know, $100,000 tops. declarations. I guess my objection is to the reply They have so many hearsay documents it is We have And that ludicrous if you compare them to our declarations. things where people were directly involved. parties all over the place. They have third It is And this is one of them. redacted for some unstated reasons. There are many redacted They don't say why. documents in the plaintiff's materials. They don't say privileged. what it says. Maybe they just don't want us to know The underlying part says Mr. McEwen, so I would assume that he would agree that this is what he said. "We have offered $2 million to Hyperion for OS 4, and the assumption of all debts and contracts. The plaintiff has told us they thought it was worth at least $2 million plus assumption of all debts." This is not a $25,000 dispute. This is about a company that has no rights to what they are trying to take, trying to take something for $25,000 that was never paid. Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 35 of 41 35 If you have any questions? THE COURT: MR. BAKER: Thank you, Counsel. Yes, your Honor. Short reply. I will just hit on a couple of points, your Honor. This issue about the assignment, we do have Mr. McEwen who attests in both of his declarations about the transfer of title, these rights, from Amiga Delaware to Eyetech to KMOS, and then the name change to Amiga Delaware. It started with Amiga That is in there. Washington and ended with Amiga Delaware. What is crystal clear, and this comes from the very document that counsel just showed you a moment ago, which is Exhibit D to Mr. McEwen's declaration, in the one instance where there wasn't this contemporaneous signature by Hyperion on the assignment, you have this press release. And we have excerpted out. This is a And joint press release that came from both Amiga and Hyperion. here you have Evert Carton, who now in his papers says, gee, we never agreed we would go forward with this KMOS deal. He says, "we welcome the acquisition of the Amiga OS intellectual property by KMOS." It sounds to me like approval and ratification and consent, "together with KMOS we look forward to exploring new business opportunities for Amiga OS 4.1," which hopefully will be the next version, "under this same contract." He goes on to reassure his customers it is not going to slow anything down. Just to finish off, your Honor, in connection with this particular document, the release that Carton is promising here, Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 36 of 41 That is 36 that was a pre-release. It is a developers' release. not something they were selling to the public. And that is crystal clear from Mr. Frieden's declaration himself. And when we talk about, when is the code complete, Frieden goes through and he says, we went through effectively five or six updates before the final update. that it has to be complete. still being worked on? And I think that complete means Why else would we buy code that was We were supposed to be in the same The final update for position as them when the code is complete. version OS 4.0, according to Frieden's sworn statement, was December of 2006, less than six months ago. When you talk about a bond, and this issue of if there is any issue about payment there shouldn't be. the $25,000. There is. We will bond I want to direct my client to pay the $25,000 into We still have time court, just in case we hadn't paid it before. to do that. We already did that. We did it, frankly, a couple of times over. But that is why this completion date issue just doesn't make any sense. The fundamental purpose of this agreement is to put us in the same place as them. They can't now arbitrarily say, gee, You had to exercise Nobody called us update 1, that was really the complete code. your option by then. They didn't tell us that. up and said, hey, it is time. Again, to get back to the original point, your Honor, we don't get much out of this deal other than that code. There is Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 37 of 41 37 no -- there is very little else coming our way from this deal but that code. The idea that now in 2007 they can try and backdate that I don't think is accurate. that. The Eyetech, the necessary party issue, we have not sought to declare Eyetech in default. This is E-Y-E-T-E-C-H. We haven't And I think we have made our case on asserted that the agreement is terminated as to them. If you look at 6.03 of the contract, the nonbreaching party is entitled to continue on. termination. That is what is the effective The effective termination on a nonbreaching party. We are not seeking any They continue to enjoys their rights. relief in this preliminary injunction motion against Eyetech. Eyetech had nothing to do with the development of OS 4.0. were on the hardware side. They They pull out of this deal, they are That is all true. defunct, they abandoned the project. The fact of the matter is, these technical questions about joinder of parties and the like shouldn't be a roadblock at this stage. If they really are a necessary party and they want to It still doesn't effect make a Rule 19 motion, they can make it. this relief. The same is true about the specter of international rights. Your Honor has jurisdiction over Hyperion. established and conceded. That has been They had to concede it. If You can direct Hyperion to give us what rights they have. Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 38 of 41 38 those rights include the ability to acquire the code they should exercise them. place. Okay. They were obligated to do that in the first But at the very lease we are entitled to get what That doesn't impact anyone else's they have, at the very least. rights. I do want to talk just a little bit about this replevin statute. This is a situation where we have a claim for breach of contract and specific performance of a particular provision in the contract, the performance of that option to buy and return the code. This is a specific performance case, not based on the Washington replevin statute. We don't have to go through We are whatever the Washington code requires for that purpose. asking your Honor to enforce that particular provision of the contract, which I believe your Honor has the equitable power to do, and this is the proper case to do it. On the issue of the bond, and this statement that counsel cites about a $2 million offer for OS 4, that was an offer made for all of Hyperion's rights, not just the code. We are not seeking in this preliminary injunction to acquire all of Hyperion's rights, the exclusive license, the ability to market in their particular zone, all those things. here is the code itself. $25,000. Everyone knew that was a small amount. Why? Because All we want The contract set the price for that at Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 39 of 41 39 Hyperion was getting our trademarks and our copyrights for free. We are the reason they are able today to sit there and market this product. All rights that they enjoy today emanated from us, They came from nowhere else. and emanated from this agreement. Yes, they did work. Yes, they are seeking to exploit the benefit We understand that. We are not of that work in the marketplace. trying to stop that. But they have to stay within their zone, and they have to give us what we were entitled to under the agreement. And, frankly, the bond for that purpose ought to be very low. And the same with the trademark infringement, your Honor, because it simply -- they ought to be -- they ought to stay within the zone that the agreement requires. THE COURT: Thank you, Counsel. Gentlemen, thank you. My practice is to Very interesting case, interesting arguments. go back and review the materials submitted, in view of the arguments that have been made. I will try to get a ruling for you as quickly as possible when time is of the essence. Let me leave you what I always leave the parties with, especially at this junction, very early on in the case. This is You a volatile and fluid market for these particular products. are quite aware of that. time consuming. Litigation is expensive and can be very Like the price of gasoline, it seems to be going You don't know what it is going to cost. up every single day. But when I see what some of these parties are putting into Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 40 of 41 40 litigation I am blown away by the amount of attorney fees that are involved in these kind of cases. It is much better to So a resolve the matters amongst the parties if you can do that. word to the wise. All right. Thank you, your Honor. Thank you, your Honor. We will be at recess. (Adjourned.) MR. BAKER: MR. TOVEY: THE COURT: Case 2:07-cv-00631-RSM Document 37 Filed 06/06/2007 Page 41 of 41 41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CERTIFICATE I, Barry L. Fanning, Official Court Reporter, do hereby certify that the foregoing transcript is true and correct. S/Barry L. Fanning ____________________________ Barry L. Fanning

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