United States of America v. State of California et al

Filing 213

NOTICE of filing second amended declaration of Cherokee Melton in opposition to 2 Motion for Preliminary Injunction. (Attachments: # 1 Second Amended Declaration of Cherokee Melton, # 2 Exhibit A-L, # 3 Exhibit M-P, # 4 Exhibit Q-S)(Melton, Cherokee) Modified on 10/22/2018 (Kastilahn, A).

EXHIBIT A

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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

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EASTERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

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THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, :
Plaintiff,

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vs.

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: No. 18-264

THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA;
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:

EDMUND GERALD BROWN, JR.,

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Governor of California, in his:
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Official Capacity; AND XAVIER :
BECERRA, Attorney General of
California, in his Official

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Capacity,

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Defendants.

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VIDEOTAPED

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DEPOSITION OF: THOMAS HOMAN

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DATE:

Tuesday, April 10, 2018

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TIME:

10:12 a.m.

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LOCATION:

Department of Justice

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950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.

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Washington, D.C.

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REPORTED BY:

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Denise M. Brunet, RPR
Reporter/Notary

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A P P E A R A N C E S

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On behalf of the Plaintiff:

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COLIN A. KISOR, ESQUIRE

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EREZ REUVENI, ESQUIRE

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LAUREN BINGHAM, ESQUIRE

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U.S. Department of Justice

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Civil Division

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450 5th Street, Northwest

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Washington, D.C.

20530

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[phone]

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[e-mail]

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On behalf of the Defendants:

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CHRISTINE CHUANG, ESQUIRE

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State of California

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Department of Justice

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Bureau of Children's Justice

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1515 Clay Street

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Suite 2100

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Oakland, California

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[phone]

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christine.chuang.doj.ca.gov

94612

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(Appearances continued on the next page.)

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APPEARANCES (continued):

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On behalf of the Defendants (continued):

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LEE I. SHERMAN, ESQUIRE

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CHEROKEE DM MELTON, ESQUIRE

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SATOSHI YANAI, ESQUIRE

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State of California

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Department of Justice

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300 S. Spring Street

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Suite 1702

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Los Angeles, California

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[phone]

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[e-mail]

90013

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ALSO PRESENT:

Rene E. Browne

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Michael P. Davis

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Michael F. Arnold

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Moria Skinner

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Julie Laughlin

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Dan Reidy, Videographer

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were accurate and up to date.

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I'm -- certainly, you know, would say the numbers

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are different today, as of today, because people

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have been arrested since I've signed this.

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Q

Thank you.

I don't know --

In fiscal year 2018, has ICE

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increased its immigration enforcement operations

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in California?

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We have increased our enforcement

footprint in California.

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In what specific ways?

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I have sent more officers and agents to

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the State of California to do the same job we used

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to do with less officers and agents.

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Besides sending more agents, are there

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other ways in which ICE has increased its

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immigration enforcement activities in California?

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Again, the prioritization has changed.

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The aperture of those who fall within a priority

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has increased.

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as per the executive order.

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collateral arrests because we can't work in a

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jail, which means we have to go to a neighborhood

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where we'll find collaterals.

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So there are more fugitive arrests
There are more

That's probably the biggest changes.
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immigration enforcement activities in California

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to SB 54?

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I contribute [sic] the increase in

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non-criminal alien arrests and the increase in

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collateral arrests to SB 54, yes.

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And can you please explain why you

attribute it to SB 54?
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Because when we used to have offices

inside the jail, one officer could sit in the

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county jail and process 10, 12 aliens a day.

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that jail chooses to release those people, I have

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to send a fug-ops team, which is usually staffed

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by five or six officers, to locate that person.

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When

So one officer used to process 10 to 12

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aliens a day.

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fug-ops team to go find one person.

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required me to send more resources to the State of

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California to do the same job we used to do with

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less.

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the jail.

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Now I've got to send an entire
So that has

We lost the efficiency of working inside

So that's had a direct impact on our

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operations, not only costing more money for the

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government to send more additional officers out

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there to support at large operations, it also puts

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my officers at great risk.

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Q

You just stated that it costs more money

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for the government to send additional agents.

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you have an estimate of how much more money it

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costs?

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I don't know the figure offhand.

Do

We --

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we did operations recently in southern California

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and in northern California.

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operations this -- in the past several months in

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California.

We did three

We had to send many detail agents to

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augment existing staff to do these operations.

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I'm certain we track those expenses.

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off the top of my head.

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them.

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I don't know

We certainly can provide

Do you attribute the increase in ICE

enforcement activities in California to AB 450?
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I think AB 450 is requiring us to work

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harder and less efficient than prior to the

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enactment of 450.

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that?

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Can you please describe why you believe

Well, a couple of things.

We just did an

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I-9 operation in California, and I recently

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learned that, for instance, one company in San

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Francisco did not want to supply the I-9 forms per

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the notice of inspection.

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giving us the I-9 forms until the company -- the

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company felt like they would be in violation of

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450, so they got an attorney.

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administrative subpoena to get the documents.

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That caused more work.

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We had to do an

There seemed to be confusion on what the

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employer thought between 450 versus what the

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federal requirements are.

So we spent more time

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in working that one case.

That's one I was

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briefed on specifically.

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What company are you referring to?

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I don't have that number offhand.

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The name offhand?

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I don't know it offhand.

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Okay.

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When did this I-9 operation

relating to this company occur?
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Within the past eight weeks.

I don't

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know the exact dates.

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inspection throughout the country.

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was -- I think we've already completed the first

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phase in California.

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We have a rolling I-9
California

So several weeks ago.

And did the company specifically inform

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you that they did not want to comply with the I-9

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inspection process?

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leadership was that the company would not --

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didn't think they had to comply with the notice of

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inspections to give the I-9s within the three days

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required.

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violation of 450.

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They thought they were going to be in

They contacted an attorney.

We actually

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did an administrative subpoena, and we got the

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I-9s after additional work.

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relayed to me.

That is what was

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Who relayed that to you?

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Derek Benner, the acting executive

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associate director for Homeland Security

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investigations.

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And who relayed that to Derek?

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The e-mail was -- first, Derek verbally

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told me that he followed up with an e-mail.

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e-mail was from Derek.

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don't know who -- I'm sure the e-mail split up

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between -- we have three SACs, special agents in

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charge:

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was -- I'm sure he got it from the SACs, but I do

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not know for sure because I did not ask him that

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question.

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The

And their staff below -- I

San Francisco, L.A. and San Diego.

So it

Do you know if Derek obtained that

information directly from the company?

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It has to be submitted and requested

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through HSI leadership in the field office.

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don't know if that's -- at what level that is.

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mean, back when I was an agent, it was the head of

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that office, which would be the ADDI.

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sure what the approval level is now for an

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administrative subpoena.

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the staff to request an administrative subpoena,

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draw the administrative subpoena up and have

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So I
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I'm not

But it requires work by

someone approve it, sign it, then serve it.
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In this situation in which you had to

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obtain an administrative subpoena, how long after

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the initial request for the I-9 inspection did you

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obtain the subpoena?

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I do not know.

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Do you have enough information to give a

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good faith estimate of how long?

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No.

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Do you know whether it was within one

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week of the initial request for the I-9

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inspection?

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No.

I don't recall what the e-mail said

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other than there's a delay.

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time frame in the e-mail or he said it verbally, I

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don't recall.

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But I just -- during the I-9
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process, the operations, knowing the difficulties

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with the legislation, I asked for information on

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how the operation was going.

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issue that I remember being briefed on.

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have a time frame.

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This was just one
I do not

So after you served the administrative

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subpoena, were you able to obtain the documents

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that you needed for your inspection?

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That is my understanding.

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Besides this one company that we are just

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talking about, do you know of any other incidents

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about employers being confused about what they are

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or are not allowed to do during an I-9 inspection?

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Not specifically other than what I read,

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of course, the numerous media reports about

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employers being confused.

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What media reports are you referring to?

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News stories.

I read news clips every

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morning when I come to work, and there was a lot

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of news stories about our worksite operations in

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California and how some employers seem to be

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confused on complying with federal law or the

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state law.

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Do you recall any specific employers

referenced in these news clips that you reviewed?

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No.

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Besides this one company in San Francisco

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that we talked about, since the passage of AB 450,

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have any employers informed ICE that they are

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confused about what they are or are not allowed to

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provide during the I-9 inspection?

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Not that I'm aware of.

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Since the passage of AB 450, have any

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employers informed ICE that they are confused

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about what documents may or may not be provided

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without a warrant?

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Can I go back to the previous question?

I just remembered something.

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Yes.

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On that case in San Francisco, there was

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another issue.

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subpoena to get the I-9s because they didn't seem

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like they could give them voluntarily, notice of

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inspection, because of 450.

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We went and got an administrative

Also, the company notified our agent that

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they were withdrawing from the IMAGE program

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because they thought that was in violation.

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they were, my understanding, part of the ICE IMAGE

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program, and now no longer because of the

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legislation.

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your answer was wrong.

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It's correct.

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Okay.

Do you know whether AB 450

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prohibits the service of additional documents

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during a form I-9 inspection?

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I do not know.

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Since the passage of AB 450, are you

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aware of any instances in California where HSI was

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denied the ability to serve additional notices on

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an employer?

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I'm not aware of any.

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Since the passage of AB 450, are you

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aware of any instances in California in which an

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employer did not comply with providing additional

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notices that were served during an I-9 inspection?

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Additional notices beyond the notice of

inspection?
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Yes.

So additional notices, as

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referenced in your declaration, includes a notice

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of technical procedural failures, notice of

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discrepancies, notice of suspect documents,

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warning notice and a notice of intent to fine.

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I'm not aware of any.

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If you go to the middle of the paragraph

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of paragraph 85, the sentence that begins with,

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"This prohibition could impede HSI from obtaining

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valuable evidence (for example, statements from

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business owners, employees and/or human resources

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managers)" -- do you see that sentence?

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Yes.

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Since the passage of AB 450, are you

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aware of any instances where HSI has been impeded

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from obtaining valuable evidence that could have

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been used in the prosecution of an employer?

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Could you repeat the question again?

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Yes.

Since the passage of AB 450, are

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you aware of any instances where HSI has been

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impeded from obtaining valuable evidence that

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could have been used in the prosecution of an

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employer?

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I'm not aware of any, but we certainly

wouldn't know what we don't know.
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The next sentence states, "This

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prohibition may also prevent HSI from obtaining

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sufficient determination -- sufficient information

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to determine the existing -- existence of

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aggravating or mitigating factors."

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Do you see that sentence?

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Yes.

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Have any such incidents occurred?

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Not that I'm aware of.

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Let's turn --

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I think the reason why this affidavit is

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worded the way it is is based on our experience of

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what happens during worksite operations, that this

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is certainly an issue that we're concerned about

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from past experience.

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As I discussed before, doing a lot of
this work in a public area will tend to -- people

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won't be freely discussing issues that would be

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very important to criminal investigations or

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protecting victims of trafficking or peonage.

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all of -- well, I don't know of any specific

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incident that may have happened in California yet.

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I think the possibility is very strong that it

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will impede what we're trying to do.

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So

And you believe that possibility is very

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strong based on your experience as a law

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enforcement official; is that correct?

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Yes.

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Is there any other basis for your belief?

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Just my belief, along with other law

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enforcement officers I've talked to that do this

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type of work.

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within law enforcement as a profession that we

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Are those individuals within ICE?

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Yes.

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Have you spoken with any law enforcement

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agencies or officers in California about AB 450

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and the impact?

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No.

I spoke to Derek Benner.

I told you

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he relayed his findings from the offices in

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California, but I have not specifically talked to

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any agent in the State of California.

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Let's turn to paragraph 86.

Let me know

when you've had a chance to review.

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Okay.

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Do you know of any incidents since AB 450

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went into effect where an employer's inability to

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consent to federal immigration officials entering

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the premises impeded an investigation?

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No.

Other than the one case in San

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Francisco where they did not hand over -- they

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felt like they couldn't comply with the notice of

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inspection.

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I don't have any information -- any examples of

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that.

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But as far as entering the premises,

At the end of the paragraph, you mention

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human smuggling and trafficking, and you've

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mentioned that a few times today as well, as some

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of your potential concerns.

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incidents since AB 450 went into effect that has

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caused detriment to ICE's enforcement efforts in

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human smuggling and trafficking efforts?

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Do you know of any

I don't have any specific examples, but

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again, we don't know what we don't know, because

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we haven't had private meetings with

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employers/employees.

That's my concern.

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Let's turn to paragraph 87, please.

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Okay.

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Are you aware of any incidents since

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AB 450 went into effect where an employer's

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failure to permit entry to federal immigration

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officials led to the disclosure of an employee's

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personal information?

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No.

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Please turn to paragraph 88.

How has

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AB 450 adversely affected ICE's worksite

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enforcement investigations?

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Other than the incident that we spoke of

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in San Francisco, I think this paragraph talks

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about what AB 450 will do to our operations and

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what risk it will cause.

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In the fourth line down, you state that,

"This could lead to a violent confrontation."

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Do you see that sentence?

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Yes.

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Are you aware of any violent

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confrontations which have occurred as a result of

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AB 450?

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No.

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Let's turn to paragraph 60, please.

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You said 60?

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60, 6-0.

This particular paragraph

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relates to AB 103.

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inspections pursuant to that section has caused

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the facilities to expend resources and presents a

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burdensome intrusion into facility operations and

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pulls scarce resources away.

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And you discuss that the

Can you please describe, in as much

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detail as you can, the nature of burdensome

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intrusion into facility operations?

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It has been briefed to me that -- and

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based on my experience, when you do a facility

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inspection, it requires people to be present to

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host the inspection.

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many documents.

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the facility.

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other work are pulled from that work to gather

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documents, prepare for the inspections, host the

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It requires clearances to come in
People that would normally be doing

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inspections, do follow-ups for the inspections.

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We don't have a separate staff that does

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nothing but prepare for inspections.

They've got

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to be pulled from other duties, whether it's guard

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duty, you know, management duties, you know,

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whatever.

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facilities to have yet, you know, another

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inspection that's going to require them to expend

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resources and spend time and energy preparing for

It just causes an undue burden on

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and responding to and providing for the

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inspection.

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Have any specific facilities stated to

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you or ICE that this is a burdensome intrusion

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into their operations?

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I did not speak to the facilities.

I was

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briefed by my staff and detention management

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staff.

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believe Tae Johnson, who runs the detention

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management division at headquarters, provided the

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information that the facilities were complaining

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about the burdensome extra work in pulling

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resources to do this work from other critical

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areas.

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In the -- gathering the affidavit, I

Do you know what facilities complained to

Tae Johnson?

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No, I do not.

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When you were briefed by the staff and

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detention management staff, did they provide you

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details of which facilities complained to them?

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I do not recall.

In the supporting

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documentation I reviewed, I think there was some

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documentations talking about specific facilities,

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if I recall correctly, but, again, this was -- I

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was briefed by my staff who was briefed by the

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detention staff.

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personally with Tae Johnson.

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supporting documentation there was some

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documentation that talked about the facilities,

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but I don't specifically recall what facilities.

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I did not have discussions
But I believe in the

When you refer to supporting

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documentation, are you referring to e-mail

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communications?

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I believe they're e-mails.

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Are there any other type of --

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I don't recall.

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-- communications?

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I don't recall.

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When were you --

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Tae Johnson is a senior executive in my

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staff, an SES.

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dearly, and that's information that, if it became

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exposed to someone coming in doing an audit, that

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would be a violation of federal law.

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even give that information to members of Congress.

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So there's -- that's very serious.

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We don't

And that's another -- besides the privacy

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issue, we have certain statutes that protect

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information from [sic] certain category of aliens.

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And that's another concern about these

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inspections.
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Do you know of any DHS or ICE privacy

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policies that have been violated as a result of

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AB 103?

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No.

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I'm going to refer back to -- I believe

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this is Exhibit 3.

It's the February 20th, 2017

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enforcement memo.

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page 5 of that memorandum, section G.

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discusses aligning the department's privacy

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policies with the law.

If you could please turn to
And that

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Okay.

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So the first sentence states that, "The

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department will no longer afford Privacy Act

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rights and protections to persons who are neither

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U.S. citizens nor lawful permanent residents."

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Did you implement this change of policy
for ICE?
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It's my understanding it's still being

worked on.
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And when it's still being worked on, do

you mean it's in draft form?
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It's the privacy office -- last I was

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briefed on this, the policy office is working on

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changes of the privacy policy.

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Do you have an estimated time frame for

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the completion and approval of the new privacy

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policy?

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No.

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So those -- in your understanding of this

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policy change, does it impact privacy protections

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for lawful permanent residents?

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There's privacy protection for everybody

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in our custody.

But there's a -- I think there's

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an elevated concern for those who are lawful

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permanent residents.

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the victims of domestic abuse, trafficking, not

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only do they have privacy protection, they

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actually have statutory protections.

And of course, again, for

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But again, I know what this says, but I

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can tell you that I'm not a policy expert, but a

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memorandum to impact privacy protections for

2

individuals who are not U.S. citizens or who are

3

not lawful permanent residents?

4
5
6

A

That's what it says.

But again, I think

that the policy itself is still being worked on.
Q

Okay.

Do you have an understanding of

7

what privacy rights still exist for individuals

8

who are not U.S. citizens or not lawful permanent

9

residents?

10

A

No, I do not.

That's why I have a

11

privacy shop and that's why I have the office of

12

principal legal advisor to advise me what we can

13

and can't do as far as release of privacy

14

information.

15

Q

Do you know of any public disclosures of

16

any information about detainees that have resulted

17

from the AB 103 inspections?

18

A

I'm not aware of any.

19

Q

So let's turn to paragraph 65 of your

20

declaration.

21

1367 regarding information relating to individuals

22

who are applicants or beneficiaries of immigration

23

benefits under the Violence Against Women Act or a

24

T or U visa.

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this before on your last answer.

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that have been deterred as a result of AB 103?
A

I believe there are some facilities in

3

the State of California we weren't able to do a

4

new contract with or expand the contract because

5

of that law.

6

Q

Which facilities are you talking about?

7

A

I believe it's -- in paragraph 53, it

8

says, "ICE's efforts to expand its detention

9

capacity in Sutter, Solano, Placer, Shasta, Fresno

10

Stanislaus and San Mateo counties have been

11

completely frustrated by the enactment of AB 103."

12
13
14

Q

Do you understand that the -- whether

these facilities are county facilities?
A

I'm sure they're IGSAs.

I don't know if

15

they're county or -- they're serving property --

16

IGSA is intergovernment service agreements, but I

17

don't know if they're counties or not.

18

know.

19

Q

I don't

Do you know of any specific private

20

contractors that have been deterred from working

21

with ICE as a result of AB 103?

22

A

I can tell you that our two biggest

23

contractors, CoreCivic and Geo, G-E-O, are

24

concerned that this law will cause great hardship

25

for them and require resources being pulled off

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critical mission things to, again, do these

2

inspections that we think are unnecessary.

3
4

Q

How many facilities in California does

CoreCivic operate?

5

A

I do not know.

6

Q

Do you know if they operate any in

7

California?

8

A

I do not know.

9

Q

How many facilities in California does

10
11

Geo operate?
A

I know they have the Adelanto facility,

12

which is a big facility.

13

that.

14

Q

15

But I don't know beyond

So besides Adelanto, you don't know what

other facilities in California Geo operates?

16

A

No.

17

Q

Do you know if there are any others?

18

A

I do not know.

19

Q

When did CoreCivic relay these concerns

20
21

to you or ICE?
A

CoreCivic, I don't recall.

It was a

22

general conversation with them about legislation.

23

I don't even know if it was specific to

24

California, about the way the California

25

legislation, if it would expand beyond --

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elsewhere, what their concerns are.

2
3

Geo was specific to California.

A couple

of months ago in a conversation.

4

Q

Did you participate in the conversation?

5

A

One of them, yes.

6

Q

How many conversations were there?

7

A

Just one.

8

Q

And please discuss the substance of that

9
10

conversation.
A

It's just the difficulty in complying

11

with the laws.

12

require yet another inspection that we think is

13

unnecessary, because these are federal contracts,

14

these are federal prisoners detained under federal

15

authority.

16

certainly don't believe there should be any

17

inspections to talk about due process of people

18

that are in federal custody, under federal

19

authority, conditions of confinement when we have

20

our own set of standards which is much higher than

21

most states.

22

As I said before, it's going to

We have our own set of standards.

We

So there's this general feeling that this

23

is -- it's burdensome, that they're going to be

24

required to pull resources to do these

25

inspections, when we have numerous inspections

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already at these facilities from various different

2

components.

3

So again, it's -- it's talk of

4

burdensomeness -- right? -- extra work, pulling

5

people from their duties to host these things and

6

gather documents and paperwork and making people

7

available for interviews and so forth.

8
9
10

Q

In that conversation, did Geo express any

concerns about the Adelanto facility specifically?
A

No.

It was a general conversation about

11

the legislation, how it's going to impact

12

operations.

13
14

Q

Okay.

And when you say legislation, you

mean AB 103?

15

A

Right.

16

Q

Was there any discussion --

17

A

Yes.

18

Q

-- about other legislation?

19

A

Not that I can recall.

20

Q

Did you discuss anything else in that

21
22

conversation?
A

I'm certain we did.

It was a meeting to

23

discuss -- we have meetings with our contractors

24

all the time.

That was brought up during one of

25

the meetings.

So I'm certain -- I'm sure -- I

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can't remember, but when we have these meetings,

2

we talk about various contracts, various proposals

3

issues with facilities.

4

subject we talked during the meeting.

And this is just one

5

Q

Was this in person?

6

A

In person, in my building.

7

Q

Has Geo terminated its contract with ICE

8

relating to federal detention facilities?

9

A

No.

10

Q

You had mentioned the general

11

conversations that you may have had with

12

CoreCivic.

13

conversations?

14
15

A

No.

Were you directly involved with those

These conversations were relayed to

me through my staff.

16

Q

And when you say staff, who do you mean?

17

A

I believe it was Tae Johnson and Matt

18

Albence.

19

Q

And what did they relay to you?

20

A

It was a conversation about the whole

21

AB 103 and the predicament it puts us in about --

22

with our contractors; you know, yet another

23

inspection on top of the ones we already do, how

24

burdensome it is, and we certainly don't agree

25

that California should be doing it because of all

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this form, is that encompassed in --

2

A

That's when we --

3

Q

-- that section that I --

4

A

That's when we transfer an alien to

5

another law enforcement agency at their request

6

for criminal investigative purposes or prosecution

7

purposes.

8

Q

9
10
11

So if number 2 on this form is checked

off, is that the item that would be checked off if
ICE was requesting a transfer back to ICE?
A

This is regarding -- when we have someone

12

in custody and we transfer them out of our custody

13

to another LEA --

14

Q

Right.

15

A

-- saying, when you're done with them,

16

we'd like them back.

17

Q

Right.

18

A

That's where this falls into play.

19

Q

Okay.

Great.

So when ICE makes a

20

detainer notification or transfer request, ICE

21

would use this form, correct?

22

A

Yes.

23

Q

So in paragraph 39 when you talk about

24

the increase in detainers not being honored, do

25

you refer to both the request to detain, notify

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ICE and to transfer individuals to ICE upon

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completion of their time in custody?

3

A

I think it basically is for them to

4

detain somebody for our attention.

That's the

5

majority of it.

6

intention was to clearly focus on them detaining

7

an alien for us.

It could include both.

8

Q

9

then?

10

A

That's my focus, yes.

11

Q

Okay.

But my

So that's your focus in this paragraph,

How does ICE know that there's

12

been an increase in detainers not being honored

13

since January 2018?

14

A

We track it in various ways.

If the

15

PERC, the Pacific Enforcement Response Center,

16

sent the detainer and we are notified they will

17

not honor the detainer, so they proactively tell

18

us they're not going to honor it, then we lift the

19

detainer in our database so it was a detainer

20

lift.

21

Many times if a law enforcement

22

jurisdiction does not honor detainers and don't

23

have a relationship with us, we won't know if they

24

honor the detainer or if they release somebody

25

until we -- he is re-apprehended, either by a

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local police department or ourselves.

2

So it depends on the relationship with

3

the LEA.

4

sometimes they we at least notify us they're not

5

going to honor it.

6

anything.

Sometimes it's captured in the

7

database.

Sometimes it's not.

8

ways we find out about detainers not being

9

honored.

10

There's different relationships.

So

Sometimes they won't tell us

So it's various

Certainly if we dropped a detainer on

11

somebody and -- today, and three days later he's

12

rearrested by a law enforcement agency someplace

13

or arrested by us someplace, the detainer wasn't

14

honored.

15

say, I'm not honoring your detainer.

16

released him, didn't honor it.

17

through the rearrest.

18

Q

19

A

They just

We find out

rearrest?

20

But the law enforcement agency didn't

And how would you find out through the

Because when we rearrest him and enter

21

him in the database, the database is going to show

22

we've had him before, we dropped the detainer for

23

and it will show previous actions for the agency.

24
25

Q

So if the person has been rearrested, you

would know, and you also mentioned that if the LEA

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tells you that they're not honoring the detainer,

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you would know.

3

would know?

4

A

Is there any other way that you

It would either be communication from the

5

LEA or we would get information through a

6

rearrest.

7

from a third party that the person was released.

8
9
10

Q

It's always possible we could find out

And then when you find that information

out, then how does ICE track that information?
A

Of we -- once we verify the detainer

11

hasn't been honored and he's no longer in custody,

12

then we'll add to that an active case to go look

13

for him.

14

Q

And where is that information stored?

15

A

It would be in the -- I believe it's in

16

the EARM database.

17

in that database.

18

the number of detainers we know weren't honored --

19

they would have a record of.

20

exact number, because we really don't know, and

21

jurisdictions have zero relationship with us.

22

won't find out they didn't honor -- if they don't

23

honor detainers, somebody who doesn't get

24

rearrested, we may not know for a long time.

25

that data is not as accurate as I wish it would

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We track

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be, but we do the best we can with the data we

2

have.

3

Q

4

And when you track it in -- you said

EARM, correct?

5

A

Yeah.

6

Q

When you track it, do you also track if

7

the jurisdiction did not honor the request to --

8

request to notify ICE or the request to transfer

9

an individual in their custody to ICE?

10

A

It should be.

11

Q

Is that tracked separately from the

12

request to detain?

13

A

I do not know.

14

Q

Do you know how many detainers have been

15

issued to California law enforcement agencies in

16

FY 2018?

17

A

It's somewheres in here.

I've got to

18

find it.

19

California alone, ICE issued over 35,000

20

detainers.

21

Q

I thought we said about -- in 2017, in

That's in paragraph 18.

While we're talking about that number, do

22

you know, out of those 35,000, how many were not

23

complied with?

24
25

A

I'm sure we have a number that we're

aware of weren't complied with, that we have data

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on.

Again, we track that, so --

2

Q

Right.

3

A

But I don't know, sitting here today,

4
5

what that number is.
Q

But we would be able to -- or I should

6

say you would be able to identify, looking at

7

EARM, how many detainers that California law

8

enforcement agencies did not comply with in 2017?

9

A

I think we -- I think we could tell you

10

how many detainers were not honored because the

11

law enforcement agencies notifies them or not.

12

can also add the number of aliens that were

13

rearrested, so obviously the detainer wasn't

14

honored.

15

We

As I said before, I think from a --

16

different data mines I think we can tell you what

17

we know.

18

Q

So before signing your declaration, were

19

you able to determine that there's been an

20

increase in detainers that have been -- that are

21

not being complied with for FY 2018?

22
23

A

The detainers -- more detainers are being

declined after the enactment of SB 54 --

24

Q

Right.

25

A

-- according to the staff that briefs me.

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Q

Do you know how they got that

information?
A

I'm sure they got it from the database

4

and through speaking with the field office

5

directors in San Francisco, Los Angeles and San

6

Diego.

7

Q

And do you know by how much has there

8

been an increase in declined detainers since

9

SB 54?

10

A

I do not have that information today.

11

But I think in my affidavit we cited several

12

examples of egregious cases.

13
14

Q

Sure.

And we will -- yeah, we will get

to that.

15

And when a jurisdiction complies with

16

either a detainer notification or transfer

17

request, is that somewhere -- marked somewhere in

18

ICE's databases?

19

A

Yes.

20

Q

Where is that marked?

21

A

Pardon me?

22

Q

Where would the fact that a jurisdiction

23
24
25

complied with a detainer request be marked?
A

I believe it would be in EARM.

If -- if

not only there -- again, I think it's in EARM.

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detainer notification and transfer request on it,

2

correct?

3
4
5

A

I know it as -- I know it as immigration

detainer, notice of action.
Q

Okay.

So is -- so does -- how many

6

I-247s have been issued to San Diego since SB 54

7

went into effect?

8

A

I don't have that figure with me.

9

Q

And do you know if any have been honored?

10

A

I do not know.

The list I was supplied

11

with had at least 119, and many since then.

12

mean, the list I saw as part of my book clearly

13

listed 119.

14

the data was pulled, but it had, first, the 119.

15

So I don't have the exact number with me.

16
17

Q

I

Then it had others because of the way

But do you know whether there have been

any that have been honored?

18

A

I don't know for sure.

19

Q

And in the -- your declaration you

20

identify that some of the individuals had criminal

21

charges pending.

22

the -- any of this 119 figure had been previously

23

convicted of a criminal offense?

24
25

A

Do you know whether any of

Based on my experience, many of these

criminals are recidivists.

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my 34 years, many of these people had prior

2

criminal convictions.

3

as 50 percent within the first year, 75 percent

4

within three to five years.

5

aliens we arrest have numerous criminal

6

convictions, but to speak specifically to the 119,

7

how many had previous convictions, I don't have

8

that information.

9
10
11

Q

Recidivism rate is as high

Many of the criminal

Would that be information that ICE would

have access to?
A

If we knew who he was and we ran it

12

through NCIC, it would show previous convictions

13

that were recorded, yes.

14

Q

And to what you were just saying about

15

recidivism, what is your basis for saying that a

16

lot of these individuals would be -- would have --

17

be at risk of recidivism?

18

I've been doing this for 34 years.

I've

19

arrested many criminal aliens in my career.

I've

20

seen numerous reports.

21

in front of Congress on data we pulled together to

22

show the risk of those who commit crimes in the

23

United States that are here illegally.

24

them are recidivist criminals.

25

A

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I think when we do at large operations,

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what we call safe neighborhoods, safe streets, and

3

we target criminal aliens to be arrested, many of

4

those targets have numerous prior criminal

5

convictions.

6

seen -- I've been a part of operations for many

7

years.

8

based on information that I've seen or been

9

supplied to me, many of the targets of operations

10
11
12

So I've seen data sheets.

I've

So not only based on my experience, but

have multiple criminal convictions.
Q

So I would like to point your attention

now to paragraph 43.

13

A

Yes.

14

Q

Is there anything that is not in this

15

paragraph that you would use to support your basis

16

for thinking that criminal aliens have a risk of

17

recidivism?

18

A

Well, these are numbers that were

19

supplied to me by my senior leadership concerning

20

California.

21

just -- which I didn't think was necessary -- it's

22

my personal experience, my 34 years of what I

23

know, based on my enforcing immigration law for so

24

many years, that many criminal aliens have prior

25

criminal history.

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officers on the ground that are making these

2

decisions, they think it's impossible.

3
4
5
6
7
8

Q

So...

Since January 4th, 2018, how many SPBPs

have been denied in California?
A

I don't think I have that with me.

I

don't think I have a number with me.
Q

Do you know how many have been

authorized?

9

A

No.

10

Q

Do you know if there's been any that have

11

been authorized other than the one incident you

12

referred to in paragraph 78?

13

A

I do not.

14

Q

So going to paragraph 78, you say, "In

15

light of the recent enactment of SB 54, ICE must

16

weigh the benefit of a potentially successful

17

prosecution with the very likely risk that the

18

relevant California law enforcement agencies

19

cannot, due to SB 54, notify ICE of an impending

20

release or transfer the [sic] alien to ICE custody

21

for removal upon completion of criminal

22

proceedings."

23

Is -- is this something -- is ICE

24

weighing the benefit something that's new because

25

of SB 54?

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Q

And again, just talking about the

2

criminal offenses, is that standard practice that

3

ICE would seek a judicial warrant if there is a

4

criminal immigration offense?

5

A

Generally.

I mean, there's -- there's,

6

as you know, many ways you can do it.

You can go

7

through a -- you know, to the U.S. Attorney's

8

Office, you can do an affidavit, and you can go

9

through the whole indictment procedure through the

10

grand jury.

There's various ways to do a case.

11

But, yeah, we -- we get judicial warrants for

12

criminal cases as part of our SOP, for criminal

13

prosecutions.

14

Q

Are there operational --

15

A

Criminal arrests.

16

Q

Are there operational difficulties in

17

obtaining a warrant for a criminal immigration

18

offense?

19

A

We do it every day.

I mean, it's work,

20

but we do it every day.

21

up a magistrate and -- but it's something we do as

22

part of our job.

23
24
25

Q

Again, you've got to free

Since SB 54, has ICE sought warrants from

federal judges for criminal immigration offenses?
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gang activity and criminal activity within the

2

city of Escondido that we weren't privy to before.

3

So now that we're removed from that cooperative

4

working relationship, that's information we no

5

longer have.

6

And again, that would happen throughout

7

California.

Wherever there was task forces, a

8

local law enforcement agency task force, we lost

9

that intelligence.

We lost that information, or

10

their perspective on what they know.

11

better what's going on in their neighborhoods than

12

the feds do many times, so when you lose that, it

13

just results in less public safety, less

14

successful investigations.

15
16

Q

They know

Do you know how many LEAs have removed

themselves from task forces?

17

A

Not off the top of my head.

18

Q

Are there any examples you can point to?

19

A

Again, anecdotal, from speaking to Derek

20

Benner, because I always ask how it's going in

21

California.

22

agencies remove themselves.

23

where we did a human trafficking case, and the law

24

enforcement agency left it because there was a

25

immigration context.

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There was one case

That was up in northern

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us.
Q

And when the law enforcement agencies say

3

they don't want to work with ICE anymore, are they

4

providing a reason?

5

A

What's shared with me is that HSI wears

6

an ICE moniker that it has to do with immigration

7

enforcement, it has to be, you know, the current

8

legislation in California limiting cooperation and

9

information sharing.

Again, specifics, you'd have

10

to ask the SACs in those three areas.

11

relaying information that's shared with me through

12

conversation.

13
14

Q

I'm just

Are there still task forces that ICE is

involved in throughout California?

15

A

Yes.

16

Q

Do you know how many?

17

A

No.

18

Q

And do you know the -- how many task

19

forces ICE has been asked to leave since SB 54?

20

A

I don't have a number.

21

Q

Do you know if ICE was asked to leave

22

task forces in California before SB 54?

23

A

Not that I'm aware of.

24

Q

Is ICE able to obtain information it

25

seeks from the FBI?

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moving, where do you think the load houses are

2

located?

3

These are conversations law enforcement

4

officers should have openly and sharing ideas, and

5

his experiences and his knowledge and how long

6

he's been in that neighborhood, and I don't think

7

anything can replace information sharing in task

8

forces, having face-to-face conversations and

9

trading information.

10

Q

And this is information -- the

11

information you're talking about, this is

12

information about criminal activity, correct?

13

A

Yes.

14

Q

So part of this is that you believe that

15

the information about criminal activity is not

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being shared with ICE.

Is that -- is that --

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Yes.

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Is that a part of your concern?

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Yes.

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I would like to go to paragraph 72.

Have

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the -- has SB 54's prohibitions on information

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sharing between local law enforcement agencies and

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ICE had an impact on HSI's counter-terrorism work?

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It's reported to me that it has.

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Are there any specific examples that you

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I believe it has to do with the JTTF task

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force's -- the lack of participation.

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Again,

information and ideas won't be shared.

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Are there any specific examples?

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No.

I think it goes back to the

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generality -- again, right now, what's a national

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security case most of the time don't start out as

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a national security case.

It starts as a local

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crime.

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they've got a -- they've got a -- they have a

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funding mechanism.

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to raise money, and they do that through, you

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know -- whether it's bitcoin or whether it's

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through cyber crime, whether it's through drug

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sales, whether it's through, you know, counterfeit

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goods.

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They've got to -- they've got

That's where the lack of information may

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not seem like a national security nexus, but it

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will grow into a national security nexus.

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our investigation in a national security sense

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don't start as a national security case.

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you don't have that level of cooperation on these

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task forces and sharing of information, you're

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going to build less information to support a

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national security case, or come across information

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that would lead you to a national security nexus.

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I don't have any specific examples, no.

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This is -- again, this is briefings from my senior

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staff, career professionals who have been criminal

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investigators their entire career advising me of

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what's happening on the ground.

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I would like to turn to paragraph 73.

In

that paragraph, you say, "SB 54 has also limited

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ICE access to aliens who may assist in building

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criminal cases, thus interfering with ICE's

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ability to pursue the prosecution or removal of

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aliens who pose particularly significant threats

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to public safety or national security."

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Do you see that?

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Yes.

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Are there any circumstances where this

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has happened since January 4th, 2018?

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I think we have less access to aliens.

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It's harder to find aliens because the county

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jails are releasing them without notification to

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ICE.

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relationships are built in the jails.

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where we build informants.

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That's

That's where we get

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Of course, an illegal alien that's in a

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jail wants to get out of jail, wants to stay here

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with a green card and wants to stay here with a

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work authorization will assist us in our

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investigation.

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people and we have to go to try to find people, we

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just have less to build cases from, less to build

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our intelligence from.

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about.

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But when we lose access to these

That's what this talks

Are there any public safety or national

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security threats that you believe have been caused

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because of SB 54?

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I think when law enforcement agencies

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aren't free to share information as partners,

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intelligence will be lost.

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detrimental to criminal investigations and

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national security.

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of the 9/11 commission.

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enforcement agencies are comfortable in sharing

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information.

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enforcement officer, SB 54 limits that sharing.

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It's going to be

That was one of the findings
It's important that law

And in my opinion as a law

So is it fair to say that your

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allegations in this paragraph are based on your

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experience as a law enforcement officer rather

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than specific examples?

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UNTIED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF:
TODD A. HOFFMAN
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REPORTED BY:

Thursday, April 12, 2018
9:23 a.m.
Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C.
Denise M. Brunet, RPR
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A P P E A R A N C E S
On behalf of the Plaintiff:
EREZ REUVENI, ESQUIRE
LAUREN BINGHAM, ESQUIRE
U.S. Department of Justice
Civil Division
450 5th Street, Northwest
Washington, D.C.
20530
[phone]
[e-mail]
On behalf of the Defendants:
CHRISTINE CHUANG, ESQUIRE
State of California
Department of Justice
Bureau of Children's Justice
1515 Clay Street
Suite 2100
Oakland, California
94612
[phone]
christine.chuang.doj.ca.gov
LEE I. SHERMAN, ESQUIRE
CHEROKEE DM MELTON, ESQUIRE
SATOSHI YANAI, ESQUIRE
State of California
Department of Justice
300 S. Spring Street
Suite 1702
Los Angeles, California
90013
[phone]
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Julie A.G. Koller
Louisa Slocum
Liana G.T. Wolf
Dan Reidy, Videographer

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I'm sorry.

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Q

That's all right.

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Yeah, the 170.

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Q

That 170 refers to individuals who were

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turned over in 2017, correct?

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Correct.

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Q

Do you know the number of individuals

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turned over from San Diego field office in 2018?

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I don't know a number specifically now.

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Do you know that number for the

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Los Angeles field office?

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For '18?

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How about for the San Francisco field

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office in 2018?
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I do not.

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I do not.

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Can we take a five-minute

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record.

Sure.
We're going off the

The time on the video is 10:11 a.m.

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(Whereupon, a short recess was taken.)

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unit number two.

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10:23 a.m.

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national level.

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directors are working through this issue now.

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It's still relatively early in the process, but we

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are looking at what we need to do at a national

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level currently.

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Q

Quite frankly, the field

So there have been no specific policy

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changes with respect to California and how -- and

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if individuals are paroled to law enforcement

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agencies?

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Not at the headquarters level at this

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time.

Field directors, it's their specific --

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locations are taking their own actions at this

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time --

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What if --

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-- according --

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I'm sorry.

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-- according to the situation they're

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encountering.
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What does that mean, they're taking

their own actions at this time?
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Well, for instance, the San Diego port

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of entry, since the passage of SB 54, I think, on

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average, are turning five to six criminal aliens.

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They are removing them immediately at the port of

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entry verse turning them over to the state and

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local agency that wants the individual because we

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have no assurance we're going to get that

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individual back.

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in court.

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alien at the port of entry.

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Q

So they're not seeing their day

We take the action of removing that

Are there any circumstances in which

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you are transferring individuals, aliens to law

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enforcement agencies in California?

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I'm sure they are.

Again, based on the

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charge and, again, that's a discretionary decision

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that's made by the field leadership in that

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specific location based on the charge, based on

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maybe the level of cooperation they have with the

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specific state and local entity.

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Again, a lot of that may be governed by

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the charge itself, whether we want them to see

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their day in court or be removed at the port of

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entry, with the understanding we may be exposed on

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the back end and our authority may be undermined

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if they're subsequently released without our

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notification.

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Prior to SB 54, in these counties where

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you might have -- in these counties where you

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couldn't be assured that somebody would be

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returned to you if you paroled them, under what

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Do you know how many individuals OFO

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has chosen not or decided not to transfer to law

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enforcement agencies in California in 2018?

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How many specifically?

No, other than

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what I stated earlier.

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average, about five to six a month they are not

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turning over criminal aliens to the state and

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locals.

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I know San Diego is, on

I'm sorry, what is five or six a month

for San Diego?
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Five or six criminal aliens who are

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arriving in the San Diego ports of entry who are

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not being turned over to state and locals.

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Q

And all of those individuals are being

removed immediately?

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They would be removed, correct.

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Q

So you're no longer transferring

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individuals from the San Diego POE to a law

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enforcement agency?

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No.

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Okay.

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That's not what I said.
There are cases where those

individuals are being transferred?
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Again, it's discretionary based on the

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field leadership in that location, based on the

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charge, based on if they believe they're going to

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get the individual back.

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should see their day in court has a higher

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priority than removing that individual

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immediately.

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they make decisions based on that, their

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experience and their expertise in that area.

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Whether they think they

All those things are weighed in and

Okay.

Thank you.

Let's go to

paragraph 19, please.

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Are you ready to start?

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Oh, yes.

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Do you know of any task force, task

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forces that have been negatively impacted by

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SB 54?

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No.

I'm not aware of any impact at

this time.
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Okay.

On page 20 of that same

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paragraph, you talk about a chilling effect on

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existing relationships with state and local

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partners.

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What do you mean by chilling effect?
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Well, again, chilling effect

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essentially working side by side with fellow law

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enforcement officers in various capacities,

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whether it's a task force or where they're coming

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to the port of entry to pick up warrants and

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how they became known to the officers.
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Do you know how much after the time of

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release that the field office found out that the

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person was released?

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No.

I do not know that level of

detail.

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I would like to mark as

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confidential Hoffman Exhibit 12 this document that

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is Bates number 6 through 11.

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identification.)

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Officer Hoffman, are you familiar with

this document?

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Yes, I am.

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What is this document?

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Again, this is a detainer for this

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individual, again, wanted via a state or local

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warrant.

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this is the document that executed that

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transaction.

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We in turn turned that person over and

Which jurisdiction was this person

turned over to?
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obvious here, if it's stated, I don't see it in

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the documentation you provided, whether it's

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Los Angeles, could be Los Angeles County sheriffs

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or Orange County.

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Do you have any independent knowledge

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beyond the documentation of who -- of which

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jurisdiction this person was turned over to?

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I don't recall.

At one point, I think

I knew, but I don't recall right now.

I believe

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this was a fraud charge but not certain which

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entity they were turned over to within the state.

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I thought it was one of those two county sheriffs,

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but I believe it was -- it might have been Orange

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County, but, again, I'm not seeing that in the

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documentation you provided.

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I would just like to represent for the

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record that this was the documentation that was

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provided to us today that we are showing to you.

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Do you know what criminal offense the

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person was charged for?

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that you're referring to?

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Was it this fraud offense

My recollection, this was a fraud

offense and a warrant for fraud.
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Do you know if this individual had any

prior criminal conviction?

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Not to my knowledge.

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How did CBP come into contact with this

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person?
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This person was an applicant for

admission.

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What were the circumstances of that?

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I'm not -- I don't know the specific

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circumstances.

I assume they arrived at the

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Los Angeles International Airport and upon

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processing is when we determined that they had a

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NCIC action against them and then we followed up

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with the originating agency.

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And CBP released this person to an LEA?

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I'm sorry?

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Let me -- did CBP release this person

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to a law enforcement agency?
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Yes.

It would be the same.

In this

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case, at Los Angeles Airport, we would turn the

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individual over to Los Angeles World Airlines

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Police Department and then they would work with

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the originating agency to do the second turn over.

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Do you know if the law enforcement

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agency that this person ultimately went into

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custody with released this person?

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was not honored.

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public.

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they have no status in the United States and they

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were released.

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This person was released to the

They're still an applicant for admission,

Do you know when the law enforcement

agency released the person?

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I do not know the specifics.

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Do you know how the field office found

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out that the person was released?
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Again, like the similar case, it was

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brought to their attention by doing research and

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via public website.

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Do you know if the person reoffended

after release?
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Hoffman Exhibit 13, confidential, and this is

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document Bates numbered 12 through 17.

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Officer Hoffman, are you familiar with

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individuals were released at the same time, the

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two that we intercepted.

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And CBP picked up the -- both

individuals at around the same time?

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Yes.

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And was this person returned to Mexico

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That's my understanding.

as well?

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This person was returned to Mexico.

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Can I turn your attention to paragraph

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15 of your declaration, which is Exhibit 10.

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Paragraph 15?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Are the documents that are marked

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Exhibits 11, 12, 13 and 14 the documents that you

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believe support your allegations in paragraph 15?

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You said 11, 12, 13, 14?

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That's correct.

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Yes.

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They support part of the

allegations.
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Are there any other instance that you

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would identify to support your allegations in

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paragraph 15?

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Yes.

Also in the Los Angeles area,

there were four individuals released and the only

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reason we knew they were released is they showed

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up to our deferred inspection office looking for

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their documents.

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And what circumstances were those?

What were the -- let me step back.

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What were the -- let's go one by one.

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For the first one, under what

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circumstances did CBP come in contact with the

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person?

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Under the first?

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You said there were four other

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circumstances, correct?

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Correct.

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So let's go one by one.

So for the

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first of those circumstances, when did CBP come in

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contact with the person?

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I don't have the specific dates and

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times in which they presented themself to the

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deferred inspection office.

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aware of is that, you know, we had a detainer

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against these individuals.

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from custody and then they went to deferred

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inspection looking for their documents that we

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retained during the proceeding.

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And do you know when these incidents

occurred?

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Not off the top of my head.

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Were they before January 2018?

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I believe they were, but I'm not

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exactly certain, but I think they were sometime in

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2017.

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Do you know if any of these persons had

a criminal history?
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They had -- obviously, they had

criminal records.

That's why we turned them over.

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Do you know --

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I believe grand theft, burglary,

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assault.
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Do you know if they had any criminal

convictions?
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I'm not aware if they had convictions
I don't have that level of detail.
And then when they came -- and can you

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describe a little bit the circumstances in which

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they came back to CBP?

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I'm not -- I don't know the specific

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circumstances, but the process, again, in my

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experience in LA where these occurred is if we

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will issue a detainer, the 247, and then we will

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order a deferred inspection.

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keep their entry documents and those would be

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forwarded to their deferred inspection offices

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downtown LA at the federal building.

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where we keep the information, keep the record,

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because deferred inspection officers help handle

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the back end of the case.

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And that's -- we

And that's

If they were called, the field

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inspection officers would be the officers that

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would go effectuate the transfer, in this

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situation, and take custody of those individuals,

13

but since they were released, the individuals then

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came to us looking for their documents.

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So they came to the deferred inspection

office?
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They came to the deferred inspection

office.
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And at that time, what happened with

these -A

I'm not exactly sure what happened, but

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they should have all been taken into custody and

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removed.

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So other than Exhibits 11, 12, 13, 14

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allegations in paragraph 15?

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In paragraph 15, no, I don't believe

so.

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I would like to identify

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that's Bates numbered 27 to 32.

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Officer Hoffman, are you familiar with

this document?

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Yes.

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What is this document?

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Well, this is essentially the secondary

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case, the secondary referral form, and then a

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withdraw of application form.

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Was this person transferred to a law

enforcement agency within California?

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This individual was not transferred.

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Why was that?

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Because, in this case, the LAWA police

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department did not honor the detainer.

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Not for Los Angeles County.

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For any other jurisdiction in

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California?

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Again, only to the degree it relates to

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San Diego County or San Diego area where

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previously discussed they were refusing five to

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six criminal aliens on average a month and not

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turning them over to the state and local agencies.

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And is -- since January 2018, has CBP

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attempted to transfer person -- individuals who --

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who there's an active warrant to Los Angeles law

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enforcement?

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I'm not sure I have that information.

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How about any other jurisdictions in

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California, CBP transferring those -- attempting

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to transfer those individuals to local law

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enforcement --

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I don't have direct knowledge.

So it's

difficult for me to answer.
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Can you turn to paragraph 21 of your

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Bail, Booking and Release Information
Charges, custody status, court dates, bail amounts, release dates and other inmate information can be obtained 24 hours a day, seven days a
week by calling 1-925-551-6500. You must have the inmate's name, PFN (Person File Number), or correct date of birth before obtaining
information.
Bail can be posted in the Santa Rita Jail lobby 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
Inmates who are determined to be eligible for release, will be released as quickly as possible. However, this procedure can take up to
several hours. It is recommended that you wait until receiving a telephone call from the released inmate before coming to the jail.
Inmates granted release while at court must return to the jail to complete all necessary paperwork. The inmate will receive all
personal property and be released from the jail facility.
Inmates being released who are indigent, have inadequate clothing for climatic conditions, do not have clothing available at the time
of release, or who can no longer fit into their clothing, will be provided appropriate welfare clothing.
Inmates who have no money upon release are given a free bus passe or a free B.A.R.T. ticket. The inmates are also provided with
transportation schedules and directions to the B.A.R.T. station if they choose to walk.
Pending Release: Once jail staff have determined an inmate may be eligible for release from custody, the inmate is identified as a “pending
release” and the release process is initiated. The release process is a multistep administrative process that may take several hours to
complete. During this process, a search of law enforcement databases is conducted to determine if the inmate has any outstanding warrants
and/or holds that may prevent their release from custody. Should any other legal holding authority be located during this process, the inmate
will not be released from custody and the inmate will no longer appear as a “Pending Release.”
Expected (EXP)Release Date: Is the date a sentenced inmate will have completed serving time on that specific case, provided no penalties
for misbehavior are incurred, no other cases are sentenced to additional jail time and/or no other pending un-sentenced cases are located.
Prior to an inmate’s release from custody, the inmate will begin the initial release process as described above and the inmate will appear as a
“Pending Release.” Inmates with pending local cases, warrants or holds from other jurisdictions will not necessarily be released on the Exp.
Release Date.

Emergencies
Inmate Services handles all outside emergencies ( please refer to the Inmate Services section ). You can reach the Inmate Services Section at
[phone], Monday through Friday, from 8:00 A.M. to 4:00 P.M., excluding holidays.
Santa Rita Jail after hours emergency number: [phone]

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MAILING

ADDRESS

Santa Rita Jail
Inmate's name and PFN#
5325 Broder Blvd.
Dublin, CA 94568
Incoming Mail
Mail will be distributed daily (Monday through Friday, excluding weekends and holidays). Mail will be delivered only to the
addressee.
Incoming mail MUST have the inmate's name AND PFN.
Incoming mail MUST have the name and address of the sender on the outside of the envelope.
All mail sent to, or from, any inmate may be opened and inspected by jail staff outside the presence of the inmate involved (except
legal mail).
Incoming mail with any perceived bio-hazard (i.e. lipstick, gloss, perfume/cologne, etc) shall be returned to sender.
Envelopes and letters containing address labels, stickers, tape, glued surface (homemade cards) shall be returned to sender.
Items which are considered contraband and will cause the mail to be returned to the sender are envelopes, stamps, and writing
materials.
Sexually explicit drawings on the outside of mailing envelopes will cause U.S. Postal authorities to return the envelope to sender.
Incoming mail from attorneys or governmental officials will be opened by the jail staff in the presence of the inmate involved.
Money may be sent by MONEY ORDER or CASHIER'S CHECK ONLY. Personal checks and cash will be returned to sender
(refer to money section).
Reading Materials
NEW Books and Magazines (Limit of six (6) per day) are allowed to receive through the mail (NO HARDBACK BOOKS
ALLOWED) - PROVIDED THESE ITEMS ARE SENT DIRECTLY FROM THE PUBLISHER OR "ON LINE"
BOOKSTORE, such as Amazon.com and Barnes and Noble.com, etc. On-line bookstore must have a legitimate website that is
verifiable and allows consumers to order directly. Any website that re-directs to another website for ordering is not accepted.
PACKAGES MUST BE PROFESSIONALLY LABELED and recognized as an on-line bookstore. Books from private sellers will
be returned.
Envelopes, magazines, and periodicals sent to inmates may not exceed 8-1/2" x 14". Any mail exceeding this size will be returned to
sender.
Inmate newspaper subscriptions must be made directly to the newspaper company by a third party. Cancellation or change of address
for subscriptions must be made directly to the newspaper company. Newspapers will then be distributed through regular mail
channels. Weekend and Holiday newspapers will be distributed the next working day. Newspapers for inmates no longer in custody
will be disposed of by the mail room staff. (Each housing unit receives six daily Tribune newspapers, paid for by the Inmate Welfare
Fund).
Photographs
Photographs may not be larger than 4" x 6".
A maximum of ten (10) photographs may be mailed to inmates in an envelope at a time.
Polaroid and negative photographs are not accepted.
Photographs that are altered or blacked out in any manner shall be returned to sender.
Photographs or pictures that are pornographic, nude, suggestive, showing gangs, gang tattoos, or hand gestures (signs) are not
allowed.

Money
The Alameda County Sheriff's Office takes pride in the services provided to inmates; including meals, library services and inmate programs.
In addition, the Sheriff's Office provides the opportunity for inmates to purchase additional items such as snacks, soups, drinks, stationary,
hygiene supplies, medicines, and specialty items for women, to name a few. All proceeds from the sale of these items go directly to the
Inmate Welfare Fund. This fund is used to support the numerous programs offered to inmates, as well as the televisions, games, recreational
supplies, etc.
PLEASE FOLLOW THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURE:
Deposits may be made by mail or in person. Only cash or money orders will be accepted for deposits on inmates accounts' (NO
PERSONAL, PAYROLL, TAX REFUND OR SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS OR COINS). Do not send cash through the mail.
If depositing money in person, you must have the exact amount. NO CHANGE WILL BE GIVEN. If you have been an inmate within
the last six months, you may not deposit money on another inmate's account.

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Visitors must produce valid photo identification (driver's license, military, etc.) and have the inmate's PFN before depositing money
on the inmate's account.
Money orders must be made out as follows:
The Alameda County Sheriff's Office (ACSO)
c/o Inmate's Name and PFN
HOURS FOR MONEY DEPOSITS
Seven days a week, 24 hours a day. Although you may deposit money 24 hours a day, it is recommended you do so during normal lobby
hours from 8:00am to 6:30pm.

Property
Property releases and clothing exchange transactions will be accepted 24 hours a day at the Santa Rita Jail ( SRJ ).
Property Release requests forms must be submitted by the inmate and received by lobby personnel prior to the day the visitor will be
picking up the property. This usually takes up to 7 working days at SRJ.
It is required that you provide photo identification when receiving the released property. It is recommended that you call the lobby to ensure
the property is ready for pick-up.
Santa Rita Jail: [phone]
Court clothing for inmates will only be accepted at the Lobby within 72 hours of a jury trial, preliminary examination, or if a Court Order
has been received. You may only bring a maximum of two sets of clothing. The clothing in the inmate's property must be taken during the
exchange. Clothing is exchanged on a one-for-one basis.
All medications are provided to inmates through Prison Health Services. Lobby personnel will accept prescription glasses, dentures and
contact lenses solution in sealed packages. It is recommended that you coordinate with Prison Health Services prior to leaving items in the
lobby [phone].

Telephone Calls
Pay phones are available to all inmates daily. However, inmates can only make collect telephone calls.
In order to eliminate problems associated with 3-way calling, the telephone system in use automatically terminates the call if an
attempt is made to connect a third party.
If you have call waiting, be advised the telephone system in use may terminate your call if the call waiting "click" is heard. The
system cannot differentiate between the call waiting "click" and the 3-way calling "click".
Private citizens can prevent collect calls by having a BLOCK put on their personal phone line. This can be done by contacting your
local telephone company.

Vehicle Impoundment
If a vehicle was impounded upon arrest, you will need to contact the arresting police agency to determine the documentation needed for the
release of the vehicle. It is often necessary to provide a written letter from the registered owner authorizing the release of the vehicle.
Inmates can release keys to the vehicle, by simply filling out a property release request form. Keys must be picked up in the lobby of the jail
in which the inmate is being housed. It is recommended that you call the jail lobby to ensure the keys are ready for pick-up.
** Santa Rita Jail Facility [phone] **

Visiting
Please refer to the Santa Rita Jail Visiting page.

Santa Rita Jail Facts
The original Santa Rita Jail opened in January 1947. It served as a replacement for the original County Prison Farm that operated on 275
acres next to Fairmont Hospital in San Leandro. The old Santa Rita Jail encompassed about 1000 acres of a World War II military base
known as Camp Schumacher that was adjacent to the existing site of the Camp Parks Reserve Training Center. The original site included a
Navy Brig that was converted into a maximum-security facility known as Greystone. A wire-enclosed complex of eight barracks was
converted into a minimum and medium security facility that was known as the Compound. Women were housed in a horseshoe shaped
barracks known as Women's Quarters.
Over time, the Santa Rita Jail became overcrowded and the changing demographics of the jail population made it difficult and costly to
operate the aging facility in a safe and secure manner. In 1983 Design and development of the "new" Santa Rita began. Construction costs
of the new Santa Rita Jail totaled about $172 million. State bonds augmented by matching local funds made the project possible. On
September 1, 1989, Sheriff Charles C. Plummer gave the order to open the facility and inmates were transferred from the old to the new jail.

The New Santa Rita Jail
The facility holds about 4000 inmates housed in one of eighteen modern housing units. It is considered a "mega-jail" and ranks as the third

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largest facility in California and the fifth largest in the nation. Santa Rita is accredited by the American Correctional Association, thus
making it the only facility in California holding this prestigious award.
It is recognized as one of the most technologically innovative jails in the world. A robotic system speeds delivery of laundry, supplies and
food to all areas of the 113-acre campus. State-of-the-art criminal justice systems serve the internal operation while the largest rooftop solar
power system converts enough electricity to power nearly one-half of the facilities electrical needs during daylight hours.
Sheriff Ahern's philosophy of cost-effective delivery of services is reflected in the private sector partnerships that support the jail's
operation. A modem cook-chill food service operation produces 12,000 economical meals per day. On site medical and mental health
services saves money while reducing the patient load at county medical facilities.
Throughout its history, the Santa Rita Jail Facility has served the criminal justice system and contributed to the safety of the citizen of the
County of Alameda by providing a safe, secure and humane environment for inmates and staff.

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000206-11
USvCA_Homan_Depo
000212

Criminal History
Record

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Paragraph 44e

Form I-213

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Mar. 8, 2012

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USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 44f
000221-22

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USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 44f
000226-28

Form I-213

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Sept. 26, 2016 Produced with
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USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 44f
000229-35

Criminal History
Record

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Redactions: Username and internal
URL for internal ICE database,
disclosure of which would reveal
various law enforcement techniques
regarding which individuals make
which decisions, have access to
systems, etc., which would permit
those seeking to evade law
enforcement to discern which
employees to target, and permit the
hacking of government systems.
Printout from third agency database NCIC information.
Identifying number assigned by
another federal law enforcement
agency, disclosure of which could
compromise ongoing law enforcement
activities by that agency.
Information redacted that is protected
by statute or regulation, and not used
or relied upon in declaration.
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Redactions: Username and internal
URL for internal ICE database,
disclosure of which would reveal
various law enforcement techniques
regarding which individuals make
which decisions, have access to
systems, etc., which would permit
those seeking to evade law
enforcement to discern which
employees to target, and permit the
hacking of government systems.
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agency, disclosure of which could
compromise ongoing law enforcement
activities by that agency. Third and
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regulation, and not used or relied upon
in declaration.
Printout from third agency database NCIC information.

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Statute, Not Responsive
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Statute, Not Responsive

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PART 2

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USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 44g
000239

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USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 44g
000260-68
USvCA_Homan_Depo
000269

Criminal History
Record

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in Full

Paragraph 44g

Form I-213

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Mar. 1, 2012

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USvCA_Homan_Depo
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USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 44h
000278, 301-16

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Redactions: Username and internal
URL for internal ICE database,
disclosure of which would reveal
various law enforcement techniques
regarding which individuals make
which decisions, have access to
systems, etc., which would permit
those seeking to evade law
enforcement to discern which
employees to target, and permit the
hacking of government systems.
Top Right and Bottom Left of Page
Redactions: Username and internal
URL for internal ICE database,
disclosure of which would reveal
various law enforcement techniques
regarding which individuals make
which decisions, have access to
systems, etc., which would permit
those seeking to evade law
enforcement to discern which
employees to target, and permit the
hacking of government systems.
Printout from third agency database NCIC information.
Identifying number assigned by
another federal law enforcement
agency, disclosure of which could
compromise ongoing law enforcement
activities by that agency. Third and
Fourth Redactions: Information
redacted that is protected by statute or
regulation, and not used or relied upon
in declaration.
Information redacted that is protected
by statute or regulation, and not used
or relied upon in declaration.
Top Right and Bottom Left of Page
Redactions: Username and internal
URL for internal ICE database,
disclosure of which would reveal
various law enforcement techniques
regarding which individuals make
which decisions, have access to
systems, etc., which would permit
those seeking to evade law
enforcement to discern which
employees to target, and permit the
hacking of government systems.

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Third Agency Information
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Protected by Regulation or
Statute, Not Responsive
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USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 44h
000282

Form I-213

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USvCA_Homan_Depo
000298-99

Paragraph 44h

Form I-213

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Aug. 1, 2018

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USvCA_Homan_Depo
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USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 44h
000284-97
USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 45a
000318

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USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 45a
000320

Form I-213

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USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 45a
000324-27

Criminal History
Record

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Identifying number assigned by
another federal law enforcement
agency, disclosure of which could
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activities by that agency. Third and
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Identifying number assigned by
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agency, disclosure of which could
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by statute or regulation, and not used
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Top Right and Bottom Left of Page
Redactions: Username and internal
URL for internal ICE database,
disclosure of which would reveal
various law enforcement techniques
regarding which individuals make
which decisions, have access to
systems, etc., which would permit
those seeking to evade law
enforcement to discern which
employees to target, and permit the
hacking of government systems.
Identifying number assigned by
another federal law enforcement
agency, disclosure of which could
compromise ongoing law enforcement
activities by that agency. Third and
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regulation, and not used or relied upon
in declaration.
Printout from third agency database NCIC information.

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USvCA_Homan_Depo
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Paragraph 45a

Form I-213

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USvCA_Homan_Depo
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USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 45b
000332, 341-49

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000336

Criminal History
Record
Form I-213

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000343

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USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 45c
000350-51, 363-64

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URL for internal ICE database,
disclosure of which would reveal
various law enforcement techniques
regarding which individuals make
which decisions, have access to
systems, etc., which would permit
those seeking to evade law
enforcement to discern which
employees to target, and permit the
hacking of government systems.
Printout from third agency database NCIC information.
Identifying number assigned by
another federal law enforcement
agency, disclosure of which could
compromise ongoing law enforcement
activities by that agency. Third and
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regulation, and not used or relied upon
in declaration.
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by statute or regulation, and not used
or relied upon in declaration.
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URL for internal ICE database,
disclosure of which would reveal
various law enforcement techniques
regarding which individuals make
which decisions, have access to
systems, etc., which would permit
those seeking to evade law
enforcement to discern which
employees to target, and permit the
hacking of government systems.

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000353

Form I-213

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USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 45c
000357-60
USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 45d
000373-78
PART 4
USvCA_Homan_Depo
000379-87

Criminal History
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Record

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USvCA_Homan_Depo
000386

USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 51
000389
PART 2
USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 77
000513-523

CA Detention Bed
N/A
N/A
Capacity Numbers
Significant Public
Michael Garcia and N/A
Benefit Parole
Robert Bonner
Protocol for U.S. Law
Enforcement
Agencies

N/A

USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 78
000423-460

Department of
USCIS
Homeland Secuirty USCIS Central Index
System
U.S. DOJ Criminal
Office of
Division
International
Affairs

N/A

N/A

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Homeland Security
Investigations

Dec. 1, 2017

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USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 78
000461

May 9, 2005
and Sept. 22,
2005

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Identifying number assigned by
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agency, disclosure of which could
compromise ongoing law enforcement
activities by that agency. Third and
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regulation, and not used or relied upon
in declaration.
Printout from third agency database NCIC information.
Printout from third agency database NCIC information.
Top Right and Bottom Left of Page
Redactions: Username and internal
URL for internal ICE database,
disclosure of which would reveal
various law enforcement techniques
regarding which individuals make
which decisions, have access to
systems, etc., which would permit
those seeking to evade law
enforcement to discern which
employees to target, and permit the
hacking of government systems.
Identifying number assigned by
another federal law enforcement
agency, disclosure of which could
compromise ongoing law enforcement
activities by that agency. Third and
Fourth Redactions: Information
redacted that is protected by statute or
regulation, and not used or relied upon
in declaration.
Name of person who submitted, but
did not create, the chart.
Throughout Document: Internal
descriptions, definitions, policies, and
procedures regarding the parole
process and discussion of law
enforcement techniques and
operational processes involving
paroles, definitions and descriptions of
methods known only to the agency
and/or law enforcement community
Printouts from USCIS databases used
to conduct investigative checks on any
prior immigration application history
of the potential parolee.
Request for Significant Public Benefit
Parole

Third Agency Information

Third Agency Information
Third Agency Information
Not Responsive/Internal Use
Only

Third Agency Information

Not Responsive
Law Enforcement

Law Enforcement, Third
Agency Information

Attorney Work Product

USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 78
000005
PART 2
USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 78
000006
PART 2
USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 78
000007
PART 2
USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 78
000008
PART 2
USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 78
000009
PART 2
USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 78
000010 - 48
PART 2

USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 78
000049
PART 2

ICE Memorandum re
Signifcant Public
Benefit Parole
ICE Memorandum re
Signifcant Public
Benefit Parole
ICE Memorandum re
Signifcant Public
Benefit Parole
Mandatory Tracking
Requirements
DHS ICE Parole
Chronology and
Review Form
Department of
Homeland Secuirty USCIS Central Index
System
U.S. DOJ Criminal
Division

Brenda Nevano

Joseph Macias

Feb. 20, 2018

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Brenda Nevano

HSI Assistant Attache Feb. 20, 2018

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Brenda Nevano

Field Office Parole
Coordinator

Feb. 20, 2018

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Brenda Nevano

Vaugh Ary, Renee
Baer

Feb. 20, 2018

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N/A

N/A

Feb. 20, 2018

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USCIS

N/A

N/A

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in Full

Office of
International
Affairs

Homeland Security
Investigations

Feb. 13, 2018

Produced Redacted
in Full

Brenda Nevano

Crystal Williams

Feb. 20, 2018

LOS Office of
Chief Counsel

ICE OPLA

Feb. 12, 2018

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Withheld in Full

USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 78
000053-56
PART 2
USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 39
000524-526

Email chain
discussing case
Email

USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 44(f)
000527

Emails

LOS Field Office

LOS Office of Chief
Counsel

Feb. 21, 2018

Withheld in Full

USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 45(d)
000528-533

Emails

ICE OPLA

LOS Office of Chief
Counsel

Feb. 27, 2018

Withheld in Full

USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 45(d)
000534-535

Emails

ICE OPLA

LOS Office of Chief
Counsel

Feb. 27, 2018

Withheld in Full

USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 51
000536

Emails

ICE ERO

ICE OPLA

Mar. 5, 2018

Withheld in Full

USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 51
000537-540

Emails

ICE OPLA

ICE Management and Jan. 16, 2018
Administation

Withheld in Full

USvCA_Homan_depo Paragraph 78
000541-544

Emails

ICE OPLA

ICE HSI and DOJ
Crim

Withheld in Full

Jan. 17, 2018

Proposed travel itinerary of parolee
and escorting law enforcement
officials.
Proposed travel itinerary of parolee
and escorting law enforcement
officials.
Proposed travel itinerary of parolee
and escorting law enforcement
officials.
Description of potential monitoring
and tracking requirements used for
paroles.
Internal case history and routing notes.

Printouts from USCIS databases used
to conduct investigative checks on any
prior immigration application history
of the potential parolee.
Discussion of draft travel plans and
operational details of travel and
additional operational requirements
needed for further processing.
Throughout document: Proposed travel
itinerary.
Attorney communications and
summaries regarding information
contained in paragraph 39 in
anticipation of litigation.
Attorney-client e-mail discussing
summary of case in anticipation of
litigation
Attorney communications and
summaries regarding information
contained in paragraph 45 in
anticipation of litigation.
Email and attachment of attorney
communications and summaries
regarding information contained in
paragraph 45 in anticipation of
litigation.
Attorney and attorney-client
discussions and questions regarding
information to place into paragraph 51
in anticipation of litigation.
Attorney and attorney-client
discussions regarding proposed
litigation.
Attorney and attorney-client
discussions regarding parole request.

Law Enforcement

Law Enforcement

Law Enforcement

Law Enforcement

Deliberative Process, Not
Responsive
Law Enforcement, Third
Agency Information

Law Enforcement, Deliberative,
Third Party Information

Law Enforcement, Deliberative
Attorney Work
Product/Attorney Client
Privilege
Attorney Work
Product/Attorney Client
Privilege
Attorney Work
Product/Attorney Client
Privilege
Attorney Work
Product/Attorney Client
Privilege

Attorney Work
Product/Attorney Client
Privilege
Attorney Work
Product/Attorney Client
Privilege
Attorney Work
Product/Attorney Client
Privilege

USvCA_Homan_Depo Paragraph 88
000545-549

Emails

ICE OPLA

ICE OPLA

Feb. 27, 2018

Withheld in Full

Attorney and attorney-client
discussions regarding proposed
litigation.

Attorney Work
Product/Attorney Client
Privilege