AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR TESTING AND MATERIALS et al v. PUBLIC.RESOURCE.ORG, INC.

Filing 82

REPLY to opposition to motion re #71 MOTION for Extension of Time to Complete Discovery Defendant-Counterclaimant Public.Resource.Org, Inc.'s Motion for Extension of Discovery Period, Corresponding Modification of Scheduling Order, and Leave to Take More Than 10 Depositions [PUBLIC REDACTED VERSION] filed by PUBLIC.RESOURCE.ORG, INC.. (Attachments: #1 PUBLIC REDACTED VERSION of Reply Declaration of Andrew P. Bridges In Support of Defendant-Counterclaimant Public.Resource.Org, Inc.s Reply In Support of Motion for Extension of Discovery Period, Corresponding Modification of Scheduling Order, and Leave to Take More Than 10 Depositions, #2 Exhibit A to Bridges Reply Declaration In Support, #3 Exhibit B to Bridges Reply Declaration In Support, #4 Exhibit C to Bridges Reply Declaration In Support, #5 Exhibit D to Bridges Reply Declaration In Support, #6 Exhibit E to Bridges Reply Declaration In Support, #7 Exhibit F to Bridges Reply Declaration In Support)(Bridges, Andrew)

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Andrew P. Bridges, Esq.
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Re:

ASTM, et al. v. Public.Resource.Org – 30(b)(6) Topics

Dear Mr. Bridges:
This letter responds to the issues raised in your letter of December 26. As we stated in
our December 23 telephone call with you, NFPA’s position is that the topics proposed by Public
Resource are overly broad. Nonetheless, NFPA has agreed to provide a witness to testify about
most of these topics insofar as it is practicable for a single corporate representative to do so,
subject to the objections served by NFPA. We provide more specific replies below to your
inquiries regarding some of the topics.
Please confirm this week that the individual deposition of Jim Pauley and the 30(b)(6)
depositions of Bruce Mullen, Chris Dubay and Don Bliss will go forward in Boston on the dates
proposed in our December 19 email.
Physical Inspection of Assignment Forms
Your December 26 letter raises several questions about the physical inspection of NFPA
records containing assignment forms for the standards at issue in this case. I provided some

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preliminary answers to those questions in an email to you on December 23, but I have some
further information available now. NFPA has expended significant effort to gather these records
and make them available for inspection at its headquarters. There are approximately 120 boxes
of records, and there are approximately 20 rolls of microfilm. In addition, we have figured out a
way to identify which boxes do not contain assignment forms, so fewer than half of the boxes
would need to be inspected. NFPA is not willing to have the records taken offsite, but NFPA can
provide copying services at a rate of $0.25 per page and $100 per hour, which is the standard rate
charged in NFPA’s library.
Due to holiday schedules and office closures, there are no days this week that we can
make the records available. We can make the records available on January 5, or any business
day thereafter. To ensure that we can have them accessible for you when you come to inspect
them, please provide us with two business days’ notice.
30(b)(6) notice topics
Topic 1: As we discussed, NFPA will designate Chris Dubay to testify on the topic of the
standards development process for the standards at issue. Mr. Dubay is familiar with NFPA’s
standards development process for the standards at issue, and has served on multiple standards
development committees.
Topic 2: NFPA will designate Chris Dubay to testify on the topic of NFPA’s ownership
of copyright in the standards at issue. Mr. Dubay will be prepared to answer questions about
how NFPA receives and assures completeness of copyright assignments. We do not agree with
the legal assertions in your December 26 letter regarding what evidence is necessary or sufficient
to show copyright ownership.
Topic 3: This topic asks NFPA to designate a witness to provide legal opinions regarding
the authority of persons outside NFPA to assign copyrights. We do not believe it is an
appropriate topic.
Topic 4: NFPA will designate a witness to testify about the ways in which it makes the
standards available to the general public, subject to the objections served by NFPA.
Topic 5: NFPA has produced the terms of access to its standards, and will designate a
witness to testify regarding these terms, subject to the objections served by NFPA. In particular,
NFPA objects that the terms of access are legal documents and NFPA will not designate a
witness to provide legal opinions regarding the meaning of these terms.
Topic 7: NFPA will designate Bruce Mullen to testify regarding its revenues from the
standards at issue in this case. NFPA has taken the position throughout this litigation that it will
not produce sales data beyond its audited financial statements, and Public Resource has accepted
that this production is sufficient. Accordingly, Mr. Mullen will be prepared to testify generally
about NFPA revenues from sales of the standards at issue, but not about the precise amount of
sales to each individual government agency.

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Topic 13: As we said in response to Topic 7, NFPA has taken the position throughout
this litigation that it will not produce sales data beyond the information in NFPA’s audited
financial statements, and Public Resource has accepted this production as sufficient. Mr. Mullen
will be prepared to testify in general about NFPA’s revenues from sales of the standards at issue,
but it would be unduly burdensome to prepare at this late date monthly or quarterly sales data for
each standard, as you request for the first time in your December 26 letter.
Topic 15: NFPA will designate a witness to testify regarding whether NFPA has made
any changes to the standards development processes because of the activities of Public Resource
at issue in this case, subject to the objections served by NFPA.
Topics 16-17: To the extent these topics go beyond Topic 1, they seek testimony as to
legal propositions and conclusions, which is not a proper subject for a 30(b)(6) deposition.
NFPA will designate a witness to testify regarding the standards development process, as called
for in Topic 1.
Topic 18: NFPA will designate a witness to testify regarding this topic, subject to the
objections served by NFPA.
Topic 19: NFPA’s organizational communications regarding this lawsuit are generally
privileged. Your letter proposes that NFPA designate a witness to gather information about
whether any individual NFPA employees had any nonprivileged communications about this
lawsuit in their individual capacity, and that the witness be prepared to testify regarding any such
individual communications. This proposal would be unduly burdensome and not a fit subject for
a single corporate representative.

Sincerely,
/s/ Thane Rehn
Thane Rehn