Georgia Latino Alliance for Human Rights et al v. Deal et al

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MOTION for Leave to Proceed under Pseudonyms by Plaintiffs. (Attachments: # 1 Memorandum of Points and Authorities in Support, # 2 Exhibit A, # 3 Exhibit B, # 4 Exhibit C, # 5 Text of Proposed Order) (jtj)

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"Georgia shoots itself in the onion fields"

Georgia shoots itself in the onion fields
9:49 am April 20, 2011, by ctucker
WASHINGTON - There are undoubtedly lots of voters who believe the most scurrilous charges against illegal
workers - they've brought a crime wave to the country; they're eroding American values; they're lazy grifters who
come here to exploit the social safety net. There may even be a few politicians who believe those things.
But most elected officials know better. They know that most immigrants - including those who crossed the border
illegally - shore up the economy, pay taxes and adopt American values. They know that Mexicans and
Guatemalans and Bolivians take low-wage jobs in restaurants and poultry plants and onion fields that most native­
born Americans won't do.
Still, those politicians often lack the courage to tell voters those truths. Instead, they pose and pander, engaging in a
dangerous nativist rhetoric that thrills the crowds and fills the campaign coffers. And brings in votes.
Such was the case with Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal, who ran a hard-right campaign in a crowded field for the GOP
nomination last year. Now, the governor is a hostage to his rhetoric. Though immigrant advocates and business
executives have begged him to veto an extreme anti-immigrant measure that passed the Georgia Legislature last
week, he says he will sign the bill.
It's likely to have far-reaching, largely negative consequences for Georgia's economy, which is already struggling
with an unemployment rate higher than the national average. It will hurt the state's image as an exemplar of a
tolerate New South.
And it will hamper the state's $69 billion agricultural industry, which depends on immigrant labor.That's why a
group of 270 farmers and business executives sent Georgia lawmakers a letter earlier this month urging them not to
pass Arizona-style legislation.
They made some logical arguments, but the letter was too little, too late. Georgia's business leaders share the blame
for the ugly mood that swept the Gold Dome [his year and left this malicious legislation in its wake.
Anti-illegal-immigration forces have been gaining traction in Georgia politics for several years now. The Georgia
Farm Bureau and the Georgia Chamber of Commerce, among other business lobbies, should have come out years
ago with a major public relations campaign aimed at ameliorating those cruel and misguided forces.
Indeed, the business lobby is largely aligned with Republicans, who control state politics. The GOP walks in
lockstep, usually, with business interests who want lower taxes, less regulation and various arcane perks aimed at
particular business sectors. So why haven't business leaders spent the last few years trying to lower the temperature
among Republican lawmakers and their constituents?
Perhaps there are many reasons, but one is certainly an untlattering truth they'd rather not discuss: Farmers and
landscapers and poultry plant managers are largely dependent on illegal workers. There simply aren't enough legal
immigrants available to do those jobs because U.S. immigration quotas don't allow very many unskilled laborers
into the country.
Oh. the agricultural lobby pretends otherwise. Georgia Farm Bureau's Web site says that "...nothing in our policy
supports illegal immigration or amnesty. Georgia Farm Bureau does not endorse illegal activity of any kind, . ' .Our
policy is intended to oppose laws that might discriminate against farm workers who are legally in this country."
Well, to be blunt, that's just balderdash. In the '90s, Georgia farmers pressured their Congressional delegation to call
off federal agents, who were conducting raids on illegal agricultural workers.

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The "amnesty" that the Georgia Farm Bureau derides - in the form of a comprehensive bill granting illegal workers
a path to citizenship - would help its members solve their labor shortage. It's too bad the organization has been too
shortsighted and cowardly to put its considerable influence behind such a measure.
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Keep Up the Good Fight!

zou, 20 I I

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And the rants against "illegals'' begin ..
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··in the form of a comprehensive bill granting illegal workers a path to citizenship" - There already is a path
Cynthia ... how many times do we have to go mer the same thing?
"an extreme anti-immigrant measure" - FLAT OUT LIE. I'Il lct you figure out what word you're missing in the
sentence. ,.you're a smart girl (I think). You can do it.
Last week was a good week for you ... good articles all around. 1 knew it wouldn't last though ... back to the loony
articles it seems. [ had hope for, Cynthia .... 0 well.
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What a bunch of crap. Obviously Ms Tucker is just another "hand ringer" who has accepted the slanted verbage of
the left-leaning liberals whose desire is to turn America into another Third World entity. Illegals pay taxes? No way
simply because they DO NOT HA VE (legal) SOCIAL SECURITY cards with which to assign their "taxes."
Additionally, if they are so valuable to the U.S. then why is the influx of American dollars (via Western Union, Btc.)
Mexico's greatest GDP? Get a grip and get your facts straight.
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Don't Tread
April 20th, 20 II
10:11 am
I suppose the new standard for "tolerance" includes tolerance for illegal activity.
I suppose now we should embrace ("tolerate") murderers, rapists, robbers, gangbangers, and child molesters for their
"diverse views".
Deal SHOULD sign that bill, because [hat's one of the reasons people elected him and not Barnes. The sooner we
persuade the illegals to leave, the better off we'll be.
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kayaker 71
April 20th, 2011
10:12 am
I don't think that anyone is really against GA farmers who want [0 get their onions in the sack. But when they do it
with illegal labor, it underscores their complicity in ignoring the law. Bozo and his gang are no help. I also don't
think that ignoring the fact that [hey are illegals, sucking off our system of infrastructure, anchor babies, health care
and food stamps adds any credibility to the problem. Admit it. Bozo and his gang of thieves need to establish a
temporary worker program to allow workers to legally cross our borders during harvest time, then exit our country
as soon as their work is done. But don't hold your breath. Don't blame the Republicans, CT. If Bozo had any balls,
the problem would have been solved already.
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ctucker
April 20th, 2011
10:13 am
Ken@]O:05, Wrong, wrong, wrong. Even with fake SS cares, the US govt accepts their taxes. And they never get
any 55 benefits.
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godless heathen
April 20th, 20 II
10:14 am
10% unemployment and onions crying to be picked. What's the problem?
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casual observer
April 20th, 2011
10:15 am
Illegals are Dem vote's period. That's why Libs fight for them on every front. Also with disappearing illegals so go
all the social hand-outs. This country survived without Illegal worker tax money for a couple of centuries now it's
an issue? BS States are going broke under the crush of Illegal's swarming and bogging down their program'), jails
and courts. But Libs like Ms. Tucker can't see past a Democrat vote or a growing dependant class in America that
keeps us on the road to Socialism.
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Stonethrower
April 20th, 20 II
10:15 am
So if undocumented immigrants don't pay taxes then those who hire them don't withhold money and pay under the
table in order to keep more money. The consequence of this bill will be the unemployment rate for Georgia will
plummet with the availability of jobs the real true bloods were too good to do in the past. Swamp land for
cheap ....
anyone?
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Joe The Plumber Too
April 20th, 20 II
10:19 am
CT, you never cease to amaze me. Where do you get your facts: you state ILLEGAL aliens I) shore up the
economy ... bull. 2) pay taxes ..... paying tax on the beer and smokes they purchase with cash after the broodmare
and ILLEGAL alien Juniors go through line paying for a shopping cart full of food with an EBT card is not paying
taxes. 3) Adopt American values ... please, that is the biggest load of garbage you have written in quite some time.
4) malicious legislation .... .if you are really worried about the businesses not having enough labor at a rate they can
afford, perhaps you could get behind a simple solution that could really bolster your savior oblowhard in the polls by
getting a handle on unemployment. Make it a condition that you must accept work in one of these industries to
continue receiving benefits until something better comes along. Perhaps that would get some of the larda$$'s off the
couch watching ofra and judge judy. I'll bet the majority of these people would be looking for work real fast then.

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As far as the ILLEGAL amongst us, another solution could be, get rid of the stupid drug laws that lock away so
many of our people and use the free space to lock up the border jumpers. Win-Win for everybody.
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The Nerve
April 20th, 20 II
10:19 am
" ....veto an extreme anti-immigrant measure.
Well, made it to paragraph 4 today before I had to stop reading because of a blatant out and out lie again. Little
further than usual though. Still hope to make it through one of these one day that doesn't contain blatant lies.
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Gator Joe
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10:19 am
Now that Georgia has passed it's version of the "Show Me Your Papers" Act, what's next breaking in doors. if
Spanish is heard coming from a house? When Hispanics, African-Americans, and other minorities become a larger
part of the US population, if not the majority, I hope their memories are short about how they have been treated by
white America.
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10:21 am
World net Daily:
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R­
Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's
21,900 since Sept. 11,2001.
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IIlegals who are working with false Social Security cards have both federal income and FICA taxes deducted from
their paycheck. Also Georgia income tax.
They then go to the gas station and pay the fuel tax. Then the grocery store and pay taxes. Then the restaurants and
pay taxes. Then Walmart and pay sales tax. They rent and the owner of the house/unit they live in pays property
taxes. And the employer pays all taxes on their employment.
The Social Security and Medicare taxes are not assigned to any account number. The funds sit in limbo. There have
been attempts to have the funds assigned to the closest number that is legal, but Congress will not address the issue,
the bills never get out of committee.
IIlegals pay taxes. They convert the paychecks to cash and operate in a cash economy. What they do not get is a
Social Security check or a Medicare card. Maybe down the road they will be on Medicaid.
Now if the employer is paying in cash, then all of the federal and state taxes withheld are not paid. Then only the
consumption taxes are paid.
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Kamchak
April 20th, 20 II
10:23 am

WHAT PART OF HIRING lAs IS ILLEGAL DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

Just thought I'd get that out early.

Welcome back Ms. Tucker.
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Peadawg
April 20th, 20 II
10:25 am

"WHAT PART OF HIRJNG lAs IS ILLEGAL DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?"

She's obviously pretty hard-headed and still doesn't understand. Thanks for reminding her, Kam.

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April 20th, 2011
10:27 am
This bill is BAD, morally & financially DISASTROUS ~ Tucker understands, too bad the uninformed masses don't
know what is about to happen. And appalling that those who "believe" & subscribe to Tanton, CCC, Heritage,
FAIR, KKK and affiliated groups are able to spread so much misinformation and hate while duping Georgians and
good Americans. Guess that's one way to "feel" superior.
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carlosgvv
April 20th, 20 II
10:27 am
So, if we don't let criminals "shore up the economy, pay taxes and adopt American values", we are "shortsighted
and cowardly". How many other countries in the world knowingly let in millions of illegal aliens'! If the answer is
none, then, do they know something we don't or do we know something they don't? Which do you think is the most
likely?
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Sean
April 20th, 2011
10:28 am
Well ... the tea partiers said that they want things done and no more compromises ... This is just one of them.
If corporations / farmers sleep with the devil to get who they want elected.. there is no guarantee corporations /
farmers will get what they want.

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SonnyFab
April 20th, 2011
10:31 am
I have no sympathy for any onion farmer, restaurant owner, lawn care business operator, poultry producer, or home
builder who has decided that the best business model to adopt is one that is in direct violation of the law. If you set
up your business so that you need to use illegal labor to make a profit, you should not be in business.
CTs assertion that we need illegal laborers to take jobs that "most native-born Americans won't do" is specious.
Most American won't do most jobs, but that doesn't mean that those jobs cannot be filled by people with the legal
right to work in the US. The principle of the free market is that people will do any work if you pay them an amount
they feel appropriately compensates them for that work. Hence, if you offer wages below what people are willing to
take for the work you offer, you get no workers. This is how wages increase. The black market, which is the
operating principle behind business models which require hiring illegal immigrants, dictates that workers will take
less money for work because they are not able to freely compete as labor, since they do not have the right to work.

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The black market allows these businesses to exploit the status of illegal immigrants and pay lower than reasonable
wages to workers.
I do not understand how anyone can logically support a system which allows business owners to operate outside the
law and which allows those same business owners to exploit a section of the workforce. Ending hiring of illegal
immigrants by businesses will, in the short run, hurt illegal laborers who will not be able to find work, but will
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ultimately allow the market to set reasonable y...ages for all businesses, and legal laborers will fill these jobs while
making reasonable wages.
I oppose the illegal oppression in terms of wages and working conditions of illegal immigrants, and I propose that
the best solution to this oppression is to end the hiring of all illegal immigrants, which is what this bill seeks to do.
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Joe The Plumber Too
April 20th, 2011
10:32 am
Hater Joe, that is a stupid post. I don't work in White America, I don't work in Black America and I don't work in
Brown America.l I work in America. As a mixed race man thriving in Atlanta, the most racism I encounter is from
my darker skinned brothers and sisters. I am an uncle tom for not supporting oblowhard, doesn't matter my
reasoning. That is STUPID, I support people who have the most in common with my belief system, and barry boy
ain't it. It is time for everyone to stop thinking colors and realize that we are all Americans and the ILLEGAL aliens
aren't. There is a honest path they can take to join the club, just as each and everyone of our ansesters did. Jumping
the fence isn't it.
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Pablo

April 20th, 20 II
10:33 am
Cynthia:
I can safely assume that you do not speak Spanish, and therefore do not get to watch Spanish-language TV or listen
to Spanish language Radio. If you did, you would listen how they. on a daily basis, rant and rail against the "racist
gringos" who will not let them come and go as they please and refuse to grant them citizenship just because they
crossed the border. I cringe every time I see them au Uruvision and Telemundo demanding their "rights". Moreover,
there has been a number of programs to recruit migrant farm workers. which can be adjusted to cater to the needs of
the agricultural industry of this Nation.
Unfortunately, the democratic party is in bed with this violation of our national sovereingty (Luis Gutierrez (D-IL)
comes to mind as the champion for the illegals) and refuses to see other viable alternatives to the influx of iIlegals to
this country. If you reward a legal way to accomplish what is desired in terms of the workforce needed and make it
difficult to come in illegally, you solve the problem without causing major disruptions.
However, why would democrats dare to anger a possibly huge voting block?
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April 20th, 20 II
10:37 am
She '.'I obviouslv prell)' hard-headed and still doesn

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understand.

Oh I believe ... he understands perfectly.
As evidenced by this quote from a 2007 op-ed piece: Bllt Americans also want to he assured thallhis is tlJe las/time
a broad leea!i:aliol1 OUt;Ol1 is offered to iIIefw! ;'mn;gral1fs. Democrats ought/v make it dear lhatlhe\l'1I enforce the
borders Gild crack dowll 011 emulovers ldlO bire WeRnli". a cheaper alld more e{(eu; l'l' slTaleg\! lor adtlres/iim! lite
problem lhall buildill e fences. After a few CEOs have done tire oeTo walk (or illegal Jridug. they'll stop offering
jobs to those wit/lOut proper documents. Awl H'hell word gl'fs (/cross 'he border that U.S. CO/1wo/l;es hal'e stormed
hirille. those la!Joras will stop coming. The" come for jobs, aDer (III. flOt iillad.
Of course she wrote this while you were still being house broken
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April 20th, 20 II
10:38 am
Pablo, You can confirm this. but Telemundo also instructs illcgals how to game the health care system by always
going to the emergency room for care and rake an ambulance because they will have to write it off but a taxi will
demand money on the spot.
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Holftrock
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CT; lllegnls do not pay taxes like you and I do. They come here; get low paying jobs at the greed of the employer.
They say that they have 6 dependents 10 avoid paying income taxes. This is allowed on their hiring forms.
Employers also avoid paying other benefits, as they make rules that you have to be employed 1 year or longer to get
them. Migrants are here today and gone tomorrow. Of course all of us benefit with low prices for our food. At the
same time we are eroding our own culture. jobs, standard of living due to illegals and a government that abandons
its duty to control the borders and enforce immigration. Our economy is collapsing today - - - look around.
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Kam,
So she said "Democrats must lead way on immigration" and that they should crack down on employers who hire
illegally 50 why is she against it now? Is it because Republicans are the ones cracking down? Same thing goes for
Bookman he always said that we should go after the employers. This bill does exactly that. So why the fuss?
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Pablo
April 20th, 2011
10:44 am
Mountainlvlan:

Not only you are correct, but it only gets worse. I used to work at a doctor's office who had a patient who worked at
the time with the Mexican Consulate in Atlanta. She told me once (again, while railing against the "racist gringos")
how many of her "paisanos" would run up hundreds of thousands of dollars in bills at Grady getting all sorts of
medical treatment, only to dissapear before being released from the hospital, leaving the hospital (and the "racist
gringos") holding the bag for the cost of their care ...
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April 20th, 20 II
10:46 am

So she said" Democrats JIll/sf lead way Oil immigration" and that they should crack down
iJlegally.... so whv is she against if flOW?

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employers who hire

My name is not Cynthia Tucker.

You should address that question to our hostess.

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Peadawg
April 20th, 20 II
10:49 am

"My name is not Cynthia Tucker.

You should address that question to our hostess."

] would LOVE for Cynthia to answer my question(s) from 10:41 .. .I won't hold my breath though.

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Mayree
April 20th, 20 II
10:49 am
It doesn't matter what he signs, it will be business as usual in the fields, and restaurants, and hotels, on lawns and in
the construction yards. NO ONE will enforce the law. NO ONE. They may make a token raid or two, but all of the
politicos will make sure that none of their buddies and big donurs from agribusiness, construction or the hospitality
industry suffer.
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April 20th, 20 I 1
10:49 am
I love Vidalia onions! But if I never get another one, [hat is a small price to pay
to get rid of the crime spree that the other 99% of lA's bring ~
This is all caused by the failure of the Federal Gov to do its job and protect our borders!
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April 20th, 20 II
10:52 am
Kamchak - One of the biggest issues in your quote from an earlier article is that Democrats have shown quite a bit
of reluctance in enforcing the border. Unless you really believe that signs placed at the border count as enforcement.
And how can you say those thai hire illcgals should be prosecuted, while out of the other side of your mouth you say
that certain businesses "need" illegal immigrants? These people are criminals. I don't care how much you try 10 say
that they are living within the laws of the US, they carne here illegally, and they remain here illegally. But I guess if
an onion farmer needs a hand on the farm, we can 1113ke exceptions.
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DT
April 20th, 2011
10:55 am
I just think we should just raise all food prices to about triple so that Americans can get paid $20 per hour plus all of
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prices can be lowered. And then when everything is fine and dandy, get rid of them again like disposable diapers.
That's the fine upstanding "christian", "family-valued", "conservative" American methodology. History just repeats
itself, just like the slaves bring them here to do the crap work they didn't want to do, then when they become a
problem get rid of them. They did it to the Chinese, Blacks, and Latinos. I guess once this immigration debacle
blows over it's probably the Asian next then its back to the blacks.
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Georgia Peach
April 20th, 2011
10:56 am
All this anti-immigrant fervor is sending our state down the tubes. We need to face reality. We have looked the other
was for years as our economy has benefited from the labor of undocumented workers. Now there are 11 million
living illegally in our country, some of whom are children, most of whom have not place to go back to and who love
America. We as a country cannot deport 11 million people. Our economy would suffer. Families would be
destroyed. And it's inhumane. We don't have the collective stomach for mass deportations. Yet it's not OK for I I
million people to be living in the shadows. The ONLY reasonable alternative a Federal solution that would secure
our borders and, at the same time, provide a reasonable path to citizenship for those who are living here and
contributing to our economy. The ami-immigrant faction needs to stop this nonsense and get on board with a real
solution to our broken immigration problem.
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Kamchak
April 20th, 20 II
10:57 am

... while out ojthe other side ofyour mouth you say that certain businesses "need" illegal immigrants?
I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.
I will not defend a statement that I did not make.

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Peadawg
April20rh, 20 II
11:00 am
"All this anti-immigrant"
I stopped reading there, Peach. I'm sure you figure out why ...

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gatorman770
April 20th, 20 II
11:09 am
BS, Cindy! You like all liberal Marxist, just want their votes. There's plenty oflegal immigrant labor available
under legal guest worker programs.
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MyPatooti
April 20th, 2011
11:12 am
CT, you said "Ga farmers need illegal immigrants". Yeh, and poor people need bank robbers so that money can be
spread around. Same principle. You are so far off your rocker I'm surprised the people of Atlanta don't run you out
of town. By the way, Ms. T, check the arrest reports from yesterday's Moultrie Observer for the weekend. A very
heavy agricultural county in South GA that at last report was about 17% Hispanic, probably at least 15% of those
illegal. I saw at least 6 Hispanic names arrested for driving without a license, and one was DUI. Just wait til a
legislative reps son, wife or daughter gets killed by one. The "fits gonna hit the shan"! Here's the "cake-topper"!
One of those arrested on Friday was charged with no taillights and no license, THEN SHE, YES SHE, WAS
ARRESTED AGAIN ON SUNDAY FOR SPEEDING AND NO DRIVER'S LICENSE. You are hopeless, CT, and
so convoluted in your thought process.
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Peadawg
April 20th, 2011
11:13 am
"Peadawg probably because you felt spoken too."
Nope, it's ble anything that starts with "anti-immigrant" is a lie. I don't know anyone who doesn't want immigrants
from other countries coming here LEGALLYffHE RIGHT WAY for a better life.
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connie
April 20th, 20 II
11:13am
Simple solution. have the employers that hire them help them become legal. Have the farmers pay extra taxes to
allow [LEGAL workers to continue working. And if they do not start the legal immigation process withint 15 days
of hire deport them and fine the person who hired them.
It's not anti-immigrant It's anti free ride making
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April 20th, 2011
11:19 am
J can't believe the headline [just read: "Georgia Farmers Need Illegal Immigrants"! What nerve you have, Miss
Tucker! You have disgraced what used to be the finest newspaper in all of the South. The paper that used to "Cover
Dixie Like The Dew" has unfortunately resigned itslef to printing your "doo".
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April 20th, 20 II
11:21 am
Kamchak ~ Sorry for the confusion. I meant CT stating in the past that we should prosecute businesses that hire
illegals, and now she seems to say that businesses need ille gals. Again, I apologize for the confusion.
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What is more amazing is when the Ga Commissioner of Labor, after the new "illegal alien" bill is passed, states that
he needs to check and see if there is a way of issucing work permits for "illegals' that are needed to perform needed
work that no one else does. WHAT? This should have been a part of the law'!'!
Also, for those who state that illegal workers do not pay taxes. in addition to sales tax, they pay 55 taxes and income
taxes. The Baltimore Sun has an article concerning the MILLIONS of dollars iIIegals have paid to the state as

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Just to pile on CT's hypocrisy:
She'll be the first one to write about "llivable wages" and the need to raise the minimum wage. buy why doesn't

farm work attract legal workers? Because it doesn't pay enough. It doesn't pay enough because illegals will work for
less. They will work for cash, cheat on faxes, and don't bother with little things like car insurance or license fees
required of American workers. If they get into an accident or into trouble. they just pick up and move somewhere
else, or run back home across the border. You don't know what their real names are or have a valid SS number, so
you'll never find them again. Many end up taking home more than honest Americans working for more than
minimum wage. Think they are licensed, bonded, insured, or pay fees like American workers?
And for those of you who insist that illegals do pay their own way with taxes: taxpayers shell out over $100,000 per
child to educate them k- I2. Do illegals tend [0 have lots of kids? Heck yeah, but do they pay a fraction of those costs
in taxes? No way. This country is broke, and in a lot of communities illegal immigrants have played a significant
role in bankrupting us.
Raise the price of onions to pay enough to attract legal workers. Pay even less in taxes. Know why CTand her ilk are
agaist this? Because the people she represents are the 48% who pay no taxes to begin with, and they like cheap
onions. The freeloaders of this country are sticking it to the taxpayer every which way you can imagine.
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I am amazed every time the statement is made that illegal aliens are doing the jobs that Americans won', do and are
helping the economy, especially given the state of our current economy. This ignorant utterance neglects the fact
that many Americans cannot afford to take these jobs. The jobs illegal aliens take are often violating laws (wage and
safety issues) or are not operating on the same system that our country has prospered on of supply and demand. Due
to a supply of unskilled, uneducated and illegal aliens, they stay at the status quo. One must scratch their head and
wonder why someone doesn't point out in the media that these jobs might turn into more desirable jobs if a slave
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aliens pay taxes and abide by the law is also preposterous. Just being here is breaking the law, and no one could pay
income taxes on the wages that these people are earning which usually results in adding them to the welfare rolls for
the health care or their children/selves, free school lunches, and a host of other programs that are draining the
government. Any money saved by services and products produced by this class of workers ends up costing the
American "Income Tax" payer or results in adding to the problems our government faces today with the budget and
credit rating crisis.
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April 20th, 20 II
11:22 am

You are soJar ofJyour rocker I'm surprised the people of Atlanta don't run you out of town.
Ms. Tucker resides in D.C., sport.
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April 20th, 2011
11:24 am

CTUCKER "Even with fake SS cares, the US govt accepts their taxes."

So the government you so dearly love advocates this fraud?

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I shoot ilk from my helicopter.

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Speaking of pandering to voters, if there was no government mandated minimum wage, American workers might
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negative effects, but it will be much more effective than a fence at preventing one problem. [ wonder why CT
changed her mind on cracking down on employers. I've always thought targeting demand (for illegal jobs. drugs.
etc.) has always been better than targeting the supply. Maybe state laws like this will force the Peds to pass
legislation for a guest worker program.
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Peadawg
April 20th, 20 II
11:26 am
"You are so far off your rocker I'm surprised the people of Atlanta don't run you out of town."
We already ran her off to D.C. She's like those annoying little yappy terriers that bite at your ankles. She won't go
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TomB

April 20th, 2011
II :26 am

CTUCKER -t'hat 1110st native-born Americans wan', do."

Don't you mean the government [hat won't force those on welfare to do?

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April 20th, 20 II
11:30 am
Still, those politicians often lack the courage to tell voters those truths. Instead, they pose and pander, engaging in a
dangerous nativisr(SOCJALIST) rhetoric that thrills the crowds and fills the campaign coffers. And brings in votes.
wow! change one word and it becomes the Democrat game plan!
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Part of whats sending this state down the tubes is the problem of paying all the expenses of the illegals and their
families, trying to make illegals "semi-legal" is not the answer exceptio the democratic party's desire to remain in
power. the reason why so many people feel this type work is beneath them is the perpetual renewal of employment
and other "free" goodies from the taxpayers to folks not wanting to work. Many people enjoy not having to work
and getting paid for it plus free groceries/healthcare/etc. it's time we closed our borders except to legal traffic and
legal immigration. CT is so far off base on this one it shouldn't have been published as a "paid for column". why the
AlC pays for this type misinformation is beyond me.
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April 20th, 2011
11:31 am
Georgia Peach:

The problem is not immigration, but illegal immigration. This is compounded by an immigration system that is so

broken that it almost pushes people into illegal immigration. The way to address this issue is to make illegal

immigration difficult, and legal immigration attainable. There is no reason why, at the time of granting citizenship,

we should give preference to those who decided not to play by the rules. Preference must be given to those who

have decided to follow the legal path.

But, as long as there are enablers on both sides of the border, a real solution to this problem is a long way away.

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mike
April 20th, 2011
11:32 am
I wonder if any of the dozen folks I just stood behind at the grocery store, who ALL paid for their "food" with a
WIC card would be interested in a job? I hear there is a worker shortage in south Georgia.
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April 20th, 2011
11:33 am
"Maybe state laws like this will force the Feds to pass legislation for a guest worker program."
There IS a guest worker program.
Yet another rant about ill-legals from somebody ignorant of the most basic facts. What a surprise. Next!
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Tired of working to but I do.
April 20th, 2011
11:34am
In your article and I quote "There simply aren't enough legal immigrants available to do those jobs because U.S.
immigration quotas don't allow very many unskilled laborers into the country."
Cynthia, why do the farm workers have to be immigrants. Why cant the prison system work the farms, the welfare
people dont have much to do either. Let them work the farms for their regular welfare check. This country is a mess
with illegal people and they cost a lot more then they bring to this country. Just take a look at California whos
hospital system is gone broke or take a look at Arizona where the drug trade is more important and they are
KILLING yes KILLING our american citizens. Where is your loyalty? Seems more and more you bend with anyone
not a citizen.
If only 1 person is unemployed in this country they deserve the jobs first, I dont care if its a qualifying job or not.
Our citizens get first choice and until the employment and economy are fixed, there is no room for illegals of any
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Kamchak
April 20th, 2011
11:36am

trying to make illegals "semi-legal" is 110t the answer except to the democratic party's desire to remain in power.
Democrats in power in the state of Georgia?
Talk about misinformation.
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April 20th, 20 II
11:36 am
We all know where this is headed. They just won't enforce the law. Its a paper victory to appease hard right wingers.
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April 20th, 2011
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You said: shore up the economy, pay taxes and adopt American values. What a lot of bull. They take much more
from the economy than they contribute. We have rampant unemployment, and people have and will work in those
onion fields if the jobs are there for them. And I have yet to go into a McDonalds and hear a Mexican family
speaking English. You are simply way out of touch or you are ignorant or you like to bait commonsensical people
for the fun of it.
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Hootinanny Yum Yum
April 20th, 2011
11:37am
What? No cut and paste?
I am impressed.

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Hadenough
April 20th, 2011
11:38 am
The farmers in Georgia do not need illegal aliens to pick their crops. The farmers want them because they are real
cheap labor with no benefits or workers compensation and cheaper then buying a $100,000 mechanical picker.
There are many mechanical machines to pick just about everything in the farming industry including tomatoes and
I'm sure they can pick onions in south Georgia. The cost of the illegals to our Welfare, food stamps and housing
assistance programs plus schools are in the hundreds of millions of dollars each year and we sure don't need
anymore of that in this state!!
I thought the AJe fired you about 3 years ago?
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April 20th, 20 II
11:39 am
This is a non-issue and you ain't gonna get the Gennie back in the bottle. Back in the day peach farmers would hire
young teenage kids and others to pick peaches. It was hot and humbling work but it was better than sitting around
earning nothing. Now the government pays you to sit around and do nothing for weeks upon weeks. People won't
mow their own lawns or spread their own pine straw or do much of anything so that niche has been filled. We have
made our bed and we now get to sleep in it. Learn how to speak Spanish.
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Native Atlantan
April 20th, 20 II
11:39 am
Interesting that in the news this morning there are headlines about 2 Delta employees being attacked by a gang of
teens on Marta; a kidnapping in Atlantic Station; 2 people being shot leaving a mid-town Night Club; dead man
found in front of the Federal building; bank robbery 2 miles from my home ...on and on and on. I don't recall seeing
Hispanic names or descriptions attached to any of these. See ... crime is everywhere and not just where the Hispanics,
generally referred to as "illegal aliens", reside.
Yes, something should be done; however, until the employers are truly accountable as well, nothing will change.
And don't act like unemployed Americans will do these jobs as we've proven we will not.
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Fletch
April 20th, 2011
11:40am
The way I see it. this is the first step in getting back to the idea of "shared" sacrifice that this country once believed
in.
Mr. Corporation, I hope you enjoyed the profit margins you made while exploiting illegal labor. Sorry. the party's
over. You \.. . il1 now be required to pay a "liveable" wage to someone who doesn't carry a rolodex filled with social
security cards and J.D.s. Just consider this doing your part to keep America strong.
Mr and Mrs. Consumer, you will now need pay a "fair" price for all goods and services grown or manufactured here
in the U.S. Yes, we all love low low prices, but unfortunately, those prices have lead to a huge IOU to China. and we
need to get back to taking care of our citizens and our country. just consider the increase as your part in keeping
America strong.
Mr. Landscaper, unfortunately it has become clear that I can mow, edge and fertilize my own grass. Perhaps you
will do better catering to the folks in the upper income range. just be sure to adjust your pricing accordingly so that
you can pay a "decent" wage to those workers that can pass the E-Verify. Just consider the reduction in profit as
your part in keeping America strong.
I have no problem in paying higher prices if it will benefit the country overall, and help us get back to where we
need to be.

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Cynthia ...there is no better word

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April 20th, 2011
11:45 am
With Tucker's logic. had she been a columnist back in time, the article headline would read, "Georgia's Plantations
Need Slaves" .... wow
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M

April 20th, 20 II
11:45 am
Illegal means illegal. If an American snuck into a foreign country. refused to learn the language they speak (and yes,
MANY iIlegals make no attempt [Q learn English), refused to pay taxes, scoffed at their laws, exploited their
government programs, and committed a disproponionate number of crimes, do you think the government of that
country would feel inclined to give the American amnesty and legal immigrant status? Didn't think so.
These people are breaking the law. I don't understand why so many people are ok with that.
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Dan
April 20th, 2011
11:46 am
What came first the chicken or the egg? Are the jobs low wage jobs because Americans refused to take them or are
the low wage jobs so that a restaurant owner coiuld keep your business. How does someone that is liberal and says
they SUPPOH unions argue for allowing employers to exploit these workers. Is it okay to pay less than a living wage
because they are Mexican? I think not! Maybe instead of jUS[ always beat up Republicans maybe you should actual
read the foolish things you are saying.
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April 20th, 2011
11:47 am
Stc v'e. there are many more words to describe her. ...just not printable ...
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red herring
April 20th, 20 II

11:48 aru
yes crime e'(i~l.... everywhere bUI by definition "illegal" mean -, criminal. so their first and perhaps their only crime
was coming into this country illegally. however it may 31"'0 not be their last crime. still a crime is a crime regardless
of how acorn und others try to get you to vote. If you'll enter this country illegally you willmost likely be willing to
vote illegally or commit other illegal acts. in no way should we only be concerned with illegal mexicans howewr­
sooner or later with our open border policy there will be much more serious consequences involved.
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Curtis Ri verx
April 20th, 2011
11:49 am
Thank you Ms. Tucker for telling the truth of this matter. My daughter is Hispanic, and will graduate from Berry
College this fall. She carries her passport because Georgia is so inhospitable to immigrants, and we fear racial
profiling will cause her to be arrested, although she is an American citizen. Being brown in Georgia today is no
different than being a person of color during the 40's through the 60's. We need immigration reform. HB87 is an
abomination written by a member of the same denomination in which I am a minister. Je ... us Wept!
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April 20th, 20 II
11:50am
Sarah Palin - If you're going to make stupid comments you ought to learn to at least spell and simple word like Elk!
What an idiot.
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April 20th, 20 II
11:53301
Hmm ... unemployed Americans, fields that hopefully soon will need legal workers .. I sec a solution!
We are already . . ubsidizing farmers, and subsidizing the unemployed, why not get the package deal and save!'!
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April 20th, 2011
11:57 am
Whats amazing is the hypocrite rep conservatives, for years they loved the illegals. of course they were building up
plants, schools. houses, working in hotels, now that economy gone bad they have no use for them. now the
hypocrites rep want to hid behind the flag.
This is so typical white conservatives Americans, they did the same things to the Indians, blacks during slavery, and
they wonder why, White American males are hated around the world.
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April20th, 20 II
11:58 am
The operative word is illegal. If farmers need the laborers, the state should work out some kind of visa arrangement
that allows the worker to legally enter the country during the season and keeps track of taxes and their exit after the
season. How can anyone advocate any policy that starts with "illegal", Change the law.
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rwcole
April 20th, 2011
12:00 pill
All of you with teenagers of working age. send them on down to southern GA for the summer. Lots of jobs
available. Work starts at daylight. Work day ends at dark thirty, Cut, pick, and throw 20 Ib melons in 100 degree
heat. 7 days a week, Pays above min wage. We can even find you living accomodations in a small trailer near the
melon fields. Now, how many of you want a job??
Answer - zero
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Sarah Palin
April 20th, 2011
12:02 pm
My dear little red Smokewagon. did you by chance miss this little comment at 11:21?
"Know why CTand her ilk are agaist this'!"

You betcha!
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Notlmpressed

April 20th, 2011
12:02 pm
This kind of crap is why I no longer consider myself a Democrat. Enabling criminal activity by ignoring it is
NEVER going to solve the problem.
My partner came here LEGALLY in 1999 on a work-sponsored visa. She has jumped through every hoop
imaginable in order to get her green card. She will hopefully receive it the end of this summer. She works, pays
payroll taxes, consumer taxes and property taxes. If she can put forth rhe effort to come to this country and play by
our rules then everyone else can do the same.
It really chaps my a$$ that many think it is perfectly OK for people to ilegally cross our borders, ignore our laws,
and use our social services at their whim.

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MW
April 20th, 2011
12:05 pm
how about have the state prisoners fill in for the field/poultry workers? The farmers could pay the state for the work
to help cover the cost of prisons WinIWin
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Fletch
April 20th, 2011
12:09 pm
How about instead of referring to these jobs as the "jobs that Americans wont do", we reclassify them as "Jobs
required in order to receive VI Benefits, Food Stamps, Government Assisted Housing, etc .....
I'm just curious as to how many people would turn up their noses if the choice were either assitance based on work
or $0.00.

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April 20th, 2011
12:10 pm
Cynthia:
Well, I guess you got your little quip this morning from the book "The Onion Field" by Josep Wanbaugh.

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Kamchak
April 20th, 2011
12:12 pm

It really chaps my a$$ ...
There are creams and ointments for that condition.
Just sayin'.
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jconservative
April 20th, 2011
12:12 pm
What we need is the return of Ronald reagan to resolve the "illegal" problem.
By Daniel Griswold Dan Griswold, June 24, 2004. Dan Griswold is associate director of the Center for Trade Policy
Studies at the Cato Institute.
"But another aspect of Reagan's record that should not be forgotten was his commitment to keeping America open
to trade and immigration ....
Reagan's vision of an America open to commerce and peaceful, hardworking immigrants contradicts the anti-trade
and anti-immigration views espoused by Lou Dobbs, Bill O'Reilly, Pat Buchanan, Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado.
and many others who claim to speak for the conservative causes Reagan largely defined ..
He signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, which included stepped up border enforcement and
sanctions against employers who knowingly hire illegal workers. But that legislation also legalized 2.8 million
undocumented workers. More immigrants entered the United States legally under President Reagan's watch than
under any previous U.S. president since Teddy Roosevelt."
Good solid Republican solution to the problem.
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Ken Duvall
April 20th, 20 II
10:05 am
What a bunch of crap. Obviously Ms Tucker is just another "hand ringer"
CT might be a hand-wringer, a person who squeezes her own hands, bUI I doubt that she is a hand-ringer, unless she
has hands made of metal or glass.
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William C Smith
April 20th, 20 II
12:12 pm

Till we realize thai a shortage exist of people willing to work in agriculture a problem with illegals will continue.
Americans will not do this kind of work as long as the social safety net continues in its current format. Farmers can't
afford to pay fifteen dollars an hour to pick tomatoes. They could but the cost of food would become prohibitive for
most Americans. I hate political correctness so I believe all high school dropouts should be sent to the fields 10
work. One summer in the fields working would not only help with (he illegal problem but also the education
problem.
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April 20th, 20 II
12:14pm

Ms Tucker, I see you have started your liberal ranting once again'! ILLEGAL means ILLEGAL no matter how
many ways you say it. I am not convinced thai American citizens wil! not take these jobs if made available to them.
Of course, citizens will have to be made a good days wage for a day of work! For example just a couple days ago,
McDonalds is reported to have hired 50,000 people countrywide (legal citizens) after having hundreds of thousands
of applications. Have ajob fair at these agricultural locations and see how many legal citizens show up. My guess is
every position needed would be filled by legal citizens. Stop hiring the ILLEGALS and they will voluntarily leave,
enforcement by the authorities would then not be needed! Then you Ms Tucker could return to the border and see
how many ILLEGALS you could help sneek across!'
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You mincrity racists that think the rising hispanic numbers will be good for other minorities are definitely living in a
dream world. The hispanics don't have any sense of fairness like the American descendents of slaves have
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population. Lower wages. lost job opportunities, and in the future it will be even worse. CT, irrelevancy is where
your people are headed and sellouts like yourself are enabling the process.
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April 20th, 20 II
12:20 pm
WILL SOMEONE TELL THIS AUBURN GRAD IF YOU LOVE THE ILLEGAL ALIENS PLEASE LET THEM
ALL LIVE AT YOUR RESIDENCE. I THINK THAT WILL SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH THE illegal
aliens. GO FIGURE WHATS IN THAT BRAIN. ALSO THERE ARE A FEW OPENINGS AT THE white house.
PLEASE SEND THEM THERE ALSO.

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April 20th, 20 II
12:21 pm

C.Tucker for the most part you have been and still are a disgrace to journalism. 'They know that most immigrants

- including those who crossed the border illegally - shore up the economy, pay taxes and adopt American

values."

Really? That is just plain bat guano crazy.

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bebe
April 20th, 20 II
12:21 pm

Of course the kooks do not have an issue with anything criminal or illegal
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April 20th, 20 11
12:23 pm

I like picking tomatoes, cucumbers. beans, and peas. I do not like cutting okra. Of course I would have put away my
dress pants and ties only to purchase boots and dungarees. I will need a braves baseball hat too! C'mon CT you can
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April 20th, 2011
12:23 pm
Agreed ... illegal is the operative word here - got it, phone rings and you pick it up; illegal immigrants are illegal.
My comments were directed towards the notion that crime is rampant where Hispanics reside. Seems no more so
than anywhere else.
I also don't understand the comments directed towards our host. I read all the op-ed pieces daily. Kyle, Cynthia,
Bob, Jay, Jim, etc.; however it never fails that personal attacks towards the host are far greater on CT blogs than
anywhere else. I don't always agree with CT, butI'd rather argue the point than sit anonymously behind this screen
and hurl insults.
What is wrong with you people? And, I'm more of a centrist. .. who pays a boatload of taxes so don't give me that
progressive whining crap.
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April 20th, 2011
12:27 pm
I live in south GA where the farmer's kids all drive $40,000 trucks to school. They live in 2500 plus square foot
houses on hundreds of acres. Oh, the poor farmers.
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April 20th, 2011
12:28 pm
"The "amnesty" that the Georgia Farm Bureau derides - in the form of a comprehensive bill granting illegal
workers a path to citizenship - would help its members solve their labor shortage:'
That is a LIE and Cynthia Tucker and other advocates of illegal immigration KNOW IT. If the amnesty bill passes,
then these illegal workers are granted legal status, which means that they will have to be paid minimum wage and
benefit from all the other regulations and laws pertaining to legal workers (i.e. overtime. vacations - including paid
leave, workplace safety, health insurance, etc.) That is why the left supports amnesty so much. Without amnesty­
leaving things the way they are - then these foreign workers are "exploited" at "slave wages" and "horrible
conditions" by big business. With amnesty, the illegal workers are basically no different from the legal workers­
whether legal immigrant or natural born/naturalized citizens.
When amnesty passes, the same dire economic predictions that these people claim will happen if we actually start
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gain legal statns, and soon thereafter voting rights, which they will use to elect Democrats. That is all that Tucker
and her allies really want: more voters for the Democratic Party.
Now 1 am not a partisan or ideological guy. I am just exposing Tucker's propaganda for what it is. Pass an amnesty
bill, and the result will still be the folks in south Georgia not having anyone to hire to pick lettuce and tomatoes,
because as those workers won't be illegal anymore, you are going to have to pay them minimum wage just like
everybody else. AND you will be able to organize them into unions. Keep in mind ... Cesar Chavez, the legendary
union organizer of Mexican farm workers, opposed illegal immigration precisely because it would drive down
wages for LEGAL Mexican and Hispanic workers, and he considered the failure to police the border a big business
conspiracy to keep Hispanic and black workers poor and powerless!
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April 20th, 2011
12:29 pm
Farmers pay immigrant workers less for doing the same work as U.S citizens do. Take milking cows, in Henderson,

town of in NYS a immigrant worker died. That brought the attention of Immigration officials, they swooped in and

arrested the farm owner for using illegal immigrants on the farm. The media asked the immigrant workers what they

thought, and they said #1 the farmer new they were undocumented and #2 they were getting paid half what thew

local U.S. workers were getting.

Now, I know I am getting to a point, it is why hire illegal immigrants? You can get in a lot of trouble, and besides,

farmers make a whole lot of money, share it with workers (hat in the country legally.

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joe
April 20th, 2011
12:29 pm
Hire unemployed Americans first. .. if more workers are needed, then tap into "guest worker visa's", but don't give
them US citizenship. Simple as that.
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April 20th, 20 II
12:30 pm
Okay, to be fair CT is right when she says that the illegals do have taxes taken out of their checks. However, the
problem that arises from that, is that the actual owners of the SSW s that the taxes are applied against, eventually get
a call from the IRS asking them why they have not declared income.

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I can cite several real examples of times when l would get ,I (,:<.111 out of the blue from someone in Texas or California
saying that they received notice that they had not reported income earned at the poultrey plant in Georgia, and that
they have never been to Georgia.
After researching the problem it always lead to the same place. Juanita Sanchez used a stolen SS # to get employed
at the poultry plant, then the taxes taken out were applied to the rightful owner on file, and they end up having to
convince the IRS that they have never worked in a poultry plant. Meanwhile. Juanita i s no longer working at the
plant and left no forwarding addre-,s. Go figure.

rill just curious if supporters of illegal

immigrant labor take into consideration the time and expense wasted inman
hours trying to undue the damage that thc ,e poor, helpless, upstanding, hard working employees tend to cause"
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April 20th, 2011
12:33 pm
You people are beyond pathetic. \10:-.[ criminallllegais are paid with cash you boobs. As \vell you know.
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Cynthia, I almost always agree with your thoughtful columns but this time you are partially incorrect in your
analysis. And I say this having had some real hands-on experience with migrant funuworkers out West. Most of the
bill is, as you infer, demogogic bs designed as red meat for xenophobes. And of course agribusn. has been gutless in
helping to stoke the fires of prejudice in order to gin up the Republican vote. However, there is a problem about
iJlegals taking jobs in American agribusiness. especially when any kind of job is scarce for American citizens. You
are simply factually incorrect to say that these are jobs that American citizens would not take. I heard this argument
over and over when I was on the ground. American citizens will take the jobs. And many farmworkers are American
citizens of Mexican descent and I hate to pop your bubble but in my experience they resented this illegal
competition even more than mO~L American workers simply won't take these hard jobs at the subhuman wage levels
and conditions that most agribusn. offers. And because labor i:.. but a miniscule part of the final grocery store retail
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price, any price increase caused by it would be hardly noticed. Now, it would have a big impact on some marginal
family farm producers. But let's get real. The family fnrm has been largely displaced by agribusn. for decades now
and agribusn. could easily handle paying a fair wage to American citizens. I might add that thi .. is the scenario that
played out when Cesar Chavez unionized the grape vinyardx. The truth is that most so-called family farmers in Ga.
hold down ajob in town and merely cling to the lund for non-ccon. reasons. I am not sure if Deal has a line item
veto, but if he does, he should consider vetoing all parts of the bill except for E-verify which should take care of the
practical problem.
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A little off subject but what about the President's refusal to release the documents related to Project Gunrunner and
Operation Fast and Furious, in which ATF allowed American guns to be smuggled into Mexico and sold to Mexican
drug cane/so
So much for transparency
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Reminds me of Iran/Contra and Olie North, but at least there was a congressional investigation into that and all was
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Peadawg
April 20th, 2011
12:37 pm
"although she is an American citizen."
Well then, Curtis Rivers. your daughter has nothing to worry about, does she?

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williebkind: Would you do that type of work if it paid J reasonable wage, like $10-$15) per hour instead of $5-6 per
hour? The applications would be plentiful under thai wage scale. Perhaps the farmers should cut back on their
enormous profits they get hy hiring ILLEGALS? I think the farmers are just being greedy!'!'
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Starring Kam Fang as Chin Ho
April 20th. 2011
12:38 pm
The US should bill Mexico for the cost of educating, employing, providing health care. and incarcerating all of their
illegal immigrants. Maybe if [hey had to foot [heir own bills they would keep their side of the border secure. Folks,
we can't afford them anymore. I'm for shooting them at [he border. Period.
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Give 'em hell Cynthia!

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April 20th, 2011
12:42 pm
"Lower Wages":::: sub-minimum wage in cash under the table ...
I guess Cynthia supports slave wages - so therefore she supports having a Slave Class ..
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April 20th, 20 II
12:42 pm
CT does not mind, and in fact is supporting, assisting people who have jumped the fence to find work. I dont think

anyone is harsh enough to deny that people want to work and make money.

What kills me is the obvious quiet racism. According to CT, American men and women deserve to be paid "fair"

wages and CT is even in favor of forcing employees to be bound to a minimum wage in some cases. EXCEPT in the

case of illegal Mexican immigrants. In this case, CT totally acknowledges the need for "low cost" labor. ....as long

as it is not "her people" its perfectly fine.

At no point has CT advocated forcing Mexican immigrants to stand in the proper line, obtain the proper

documentation, and be paid a fair and legal wage next to their American counterpart. Instead, she claims, they are

just doing the jobs Americans will not.

WRONG. CT is just standing up for the plantation owners who cannot compete in the fair market - specifically due

to CT"s democrat party and their ideas of forced fairness in the vehicle of minimum wages.

Classic.

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Kamchak
April 20th, 20 II
12:43 pm

J'mfOT shooting them {/{ 'he border.
Crossing the border illegally is not a capital offense.
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Lydia-Dud
April 20th, 2011
12:47 pm
Moron. Gn farms don't NEED illegals. If you want to reduce their costs, and you're ok with breaking the law to do
it, why not just let prisoners work for even less? Or do you want who selects the law we break?
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April 20th, 2011
12:47 pm

My pregnant, French wife (who has a Green Card) and I were hit by, presumably, an illegal immigrant 2 weeks ago.
She amazingly had NO driver's license, expired insurance, and an expired tag. They ran from the scene, but luckily
we got their tag #. These people can purchase vehicles, insurance (giving a fake address) and a tag (again, using a
fake address) without ever needing a driver's license. Then, [hey can get into accidents and run from them and the
police have absolutely no recourse unless they catch them in the future violating the law. Why? Because they can
give fake addresses and have no fear when they leave the scene of an accident,
I'm all for amnesty, as that is really the only solution, bur they need to pay the same amount that my wife and I
did ... no free Green Cards. After getting into a hit and run with an illegal immigrant and finding out how they are
rewarded by breaking the laws that most of us follow, I have zero sympathy left for any of them. Sure, they pay
some fraction of 1110st of the taxes that we pay, but it isn't enough. And, for God's sake, can our legislature please
make it unlawful to purchase a tag and/or insurance for a car without a driver's license (with exceptions for the blind
and things like that)? Unbelievable.
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April 20th, 20 II
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Moron. Ga farms don't NEED illegals. If you want to reduce their costs, and you're ok with breaking the law to do
it, why not just let prisoners work for even less? Or do you want to be the one who selects the law we break?
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April 20th, 2011
12:49 pm
"Crossing the border illegally is not a capital offense."
Not yet, but maybe if we're lucky.

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Glass House Rocker
April 20th, 2011
12:49 pm
What is the law regarding having false SSN's, Drivers licenses, etc.? Is it a felony or misdemeauer?

Of course, if it is a valid SSN, it is identity theft--even if the original holder is deceased. I guess some folks consider

these laws more like suggestions also.

What is the estimated illegal immigrant population is Georgia-800,OOO or so? I know with the economic downturn

and few jobs available over the past several years the Ale reported that population doubled.

Is this population centralized or is it spread through the state-especially in the farming area in its southern part?

Where is the majority of this population employed-are they employed?

When the INS came down on the illegal immigrants harvesting the Vidalia onion crop years ago I believe that U.S,

Senator Paul Coverdale, R-GA. interceded. As a teenager, I harvest watermelons, cantalopes and peaches-it ain't

that difficult.

There once was a population in the US which "followed the harvest". Do the people harvesting the crops move on or

stay? If they stay after the few weeks of the harvest, are they employed?

Another lobbying group is the Land Seeping Industry which mostly works for nicer apartment complexes, condos,

office parks, etc. along with a few of our more affluent citizens. The rest of us might hire a neighborhood kid to

mow the lawn and do the rest ourselves. I have had the opportunity to observe the work being done by what

appeared to be a mostly Latino group. They received payment in cash.

Land Soaping is another warm weather industry. Do these employees work in the colder months?

Once T stopped in a convience store in Morganton, Gerogia and struck up J conversation with two local men-one

was a contractor and the other a carpenter. They told me of a period during the boom of second homes in the area

that they almost went broke. The developers had used Latino help to build the rather expensive homes instead of

local builders.

Their story had a relatively happy ending because they were busier that ever. It seems that the construction was so

inferior that the new owners had to have major repairs and used the local builders.

Not all jobs taken are those Americans will not do.

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April 20th, 20 II
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This country has too many sorry,lazy,ignorant,and good for nothing whites and blacks who won't work at
all,especially manuallabor.That's why we are where we are now.If we would work like we should as a nation, there

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would have been no jobs for illegals to begin with.

Soon enough the Illegals will join the do nothing and drain the government plan.Then we can all starve!

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Buster Collins
April 20th. 2011
12:53 pm
You don't know much about farming in this state, Ms. "Old people should die to save money and children should
asked to be born" Tucker.

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Joe
April 20th. 20 II
12:53 pm
Tucker I really don't know if you're just stupid or just delusional? Do you honestly think farmers want illegal's
tracked by giving them a pathway to citizenship? Of course not. If this happened they would have to pay them $8 hr.
instead of $8 a day. By the way. Why would a letter from 270 democrat farmers out of thousands in Georgia make a
difference? Only on the delusional left does a small minority mean so much. Let's look at the big picture which you
foaming <It the mouth libs seem to forget. It costs Georgia millions if not billions a year because of illegal
immigrants. The regular ordinary worker in this state suffers for this recklessness on behalf of the federal
government for not doing their job. Kudos to our great leaders in our bright red state of Georgia for looking out for
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pot meet kettle
April 20th, 2011
12:54 pm
commoncents, you would shoot a woman and her 2 children crossing the border? Would you shoot three men

crossing the border?

What if you found that the reason they were crossing the border was purely because of the drug war the US

continues [0 fund simply by leaving drugs illegal?

What would you do to ensure the safety of your family if you could see the green grass (alright dirt) on the other

side of the river?

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April 20th, 2011
12:56 pm
Illegal is against the law.. .rhere is a right way to live in the USA and an incorrect one.. why not enforce the laws we
have ... tired of this whoa are the poor illeglas whiile it cost millions to the taxp[ayers ... lime for the USA to grow up

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April 20th, 20 II
12:56 pm
commonsense, if you dribble your pants at the thought of gunning down 17 year old mothers carrying infants. you
might want to keep it to yourself. Outside of wingnut circles, that's known as "psychopathic behavior."

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April 20th, 20 II
12:59 pm

What part of illegal don't you get? Take a look at the crime rate among the illegal's. You can also take a look at how
much these iI1egals are costing us, the working tax payers of this country t Our hospitals, schools, and jails are full of
them and their children. Then rewrite your article. Illegal is illegal!'
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April 20th, 2011
12:59 pm
minimum wage jobs exist for a specific segment of society. If you are trying to raise a family on min wage, you
have made exceedingly poor life decisions.
Consider that there is currently 25% unemployment among teenagers. Consider what would happen if there were no
minimum ",'age laws and farmers could contract with teenagers to employ them at wages which allowed farmers to
continue to be competiti ....e in the free (for now) marketplace. Consider what would happen to the teen crime and
pregnancy rates.
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"Indeed, the business lobby is largely aligned with Republicans, who control state politics."
That is correct, Cynthia. And there is a reson that Republicans control state politics. Its because the people of this
state voted them in and will continue to do so. Yet you continue to try and paint the picture that Ga GOP is acting in
opposition to the wishes of Georgia voters. Your argument is logically flawed.
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Jack

April 20th, 20 II
1:02 pm
" ... most native-born Americans won't do." "Won't do" is key here. Why work at a low-paying job when there are
welfare options provided by those that "do" work?
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JV
April 20th, 2011
1:04 pm
Even if the illegals do pay taxes of some sort, they are taking more than they are contributing. According to a 2010
cost study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), the estimated annual rota I of the costs
related to illegal immigration that taxpayers must bear on the federal, state and local levels in $113 BILLION. Of
that, $84 BILLION at stale and local levels. This breaks down to approximately $1.000 per tax-paying American
household. An average 27 percent of this dollar figure has to do with the administration of justice, while 16 percent
are public assistance expenditures. Twenty-one percent go to medical care and an estimated seven percent snpport
education. FAIR has a website. Look it np. As for farmers, According to the Environmental Working Group (EWG).
Georgia farmers received $5.8 BILLION dollars in taxpayer federal FARM SUBSIDIES between 1995 and 2009.
Georgia ranks 16th in the nation for this free money. EWG has a website. Just look it up. The immigration law is not
favored by the state farm lobby. They say it will cost too them much to use the legal route called the H2A program.
How nbour using some of that $5.8 billion to pay for "LEGAL GUEST WORKERS",?
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April 20th, 20 II
1:05 pm
Columns such as this are a immediate reminder as to why liberals do not fare well on talk radio circuits. You can
only spew this kind of illogical ignorance in print, where you do not have to defend or back up any statements with
facts or knowledge. Just print the imagination you had while sitting in your kitchenette sipping coffee and you too
can be a successful left wing "journalist".
This garbage would be shot down immediately in any "real time" conversational format. (Except, I am sure that CT
would have a call screener to make certain only agreeable types got on the line.)

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.... wonders if CT would continue to support illegals to work in [he fields if Georgia farmers decided to stop paying
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April 20th, 2011
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Joe
April 20th, 20 II
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I totally agree. The guest worker programs pay more than minimum wages and the workers have some benefits.

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April 20th, 2011
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They cut hair, don't [hey?
April 20th, 2011
1:10 pm

This article on the onion fields left me in tears. Great material, Cynthia Tucker.

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April 20th, 20 11
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The iillegals run around this country (just like the blacks) shoving their native homeland pride down our throats. My
question to both groups is this. why not grow some balls and go home and take your homelands back instead of
depending on the evil white man to hold your hand and provide you with jobs?

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April 20th, 20 11
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"totally agree. The guest worker programs pay more than minimum wages and the workers have some benefits,"

Call me the bad guy if you want to, but I don't think [hey deserve or should receive any benefits of any type. To
even suggest that they deserve benefits is an insult to the "nativists", Before you disagree with me, please remind
yourselves that these people jumped the Rio Grande river, evaded our Border Patrol, and have no legal authorization
to be in the country.
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April 20th, 2011
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April 20th, 2011
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Because they are unintelligent cowards that can not create anything other than crime, violence, poverty and babies
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tybee sun
April 20th, 2011
1:29pm
CT, Please enlighten us all: Do you even feel we need immigration laws in this country. and ifso, how would you
handle this explosive issue? You continually place blame(as usual) on the evil RepubJicanslRight, greedy
corporations ..... Would you just open our borders for all to enter? By the way, in my experience, most "illegal"
immigrants in South Ga do not "accept American values" or learn the language (after years of arriving). We can all
throw stones but please, for once, offer soludcnsl!H!

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Really lasI word
April 20th, 2011
1:32 pm

Just because they have "fake" 55 cards doesn't mean they pay income taxes!' They generally get paid in cash! 1)
because they want to stay below the income level for financial assistance and 2) because they don't want to pay
income taxes!! That is why so many do not have bank accounts!'! So the government cau' t document what they
make. Cyndy Boo Hoo your desire to keep a big voting block for the liberals have caused you to be blinded by the
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April 20th, 20 II
1:36 pm

I used to be totally on the side of the illegal immigrant. I had very little personal experience and felt great sympathy
for them. Over the last few years, I have seen a number of Georgia industries taken over by the illegal immigrants.
For instance, the carpet and poultry industries have been completely taken over by them. These industries did rather
well for many years with the legal residents of our state working in them. There was a time when a young person
could get a high school diploma, go to work in one of these industries, and have a fair/good living if they were
willing to work hard. That time has passed for our legal citizens. It's uot being unwilling to do the work, it is being
unwilling to do it for very low wages. Even if we have to pay more for products we need to support the legal
residents of our state, rather than the illegal. I also didn't believe the hype about using social services. I have begun
work in an environment that brings me in contact with the social services our federal and state governments (i.e. tax
payers) have provided and have been appalled to find easily 90% of those in waiting rooms to be Hispanic. It is easy
to get the services when you have a child. Have you been in au emergency room lately? Again, 80% to 90%
Hispanic. By the way, Social Security Supplemental income and Social Security Disability are obtained by illegals.

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Just ask someone who works with the Social Security Administration. Or better yet, check out the waiting rooms in
the Social Security Offices. English As Second Language classes are primarily filled with Hispanic children and the
size of a full class is very small. Teachers who teach ESOL classes are paid a bonus for that specialty. Say what you
want to, until you have been in the mills, social service waiting rooms, and schools, you have no idea what you are
talking about.
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sport

April cOth, 2011
1:44 pm
Seriously CT - someone with an R next to there name could come out and say they're really against eating sh I t
sanwiches and you, by natural reflex, would write an article proclaiming the merits of eating sh 1t sandwiches.
Your wriitng style and commentary are sooooo 200 1, just pathetic
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April cOth, 20 II
1:51pm
I forgot, it's 420 Day, CT you are obviously stoned to the bejesus
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the irony

April 20th, 2011
1:52 pm

The US government will also accept Presidents with fake SS numbers too.

Are you now a "birther." CT?

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kook hypocrisy

April 20th, 2011
1:58 pill
Every kook on here crying for an open door policy at the border probably all have locks on their doors and windows
and may even have alarms.

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If you nimrods believed half of your own bs then you would gladly disable all your alarms and unhinge your doors
and windo w-s so any bum off the strret can enter your home 2417.

Of course none of you liars would do such a thing so its laughable that you demand the country does it.
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Cynthia:

Question:
If you shoot yourself in [he foot in an onion field should you be awarded the "Purple Onion" ?
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Bob
April 20th, 2011
2:27 pm
I believe that burglars and rapists that have jobs pay raxes too. Let's stop enforcing these laws too. Illegal aliens hurt
real citizens and having them in this country is not a victimless crime. Take away their ability to make make money
or receive benefits and watch them self deport.

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Tundra Dude
April 20th, 20 II
2:27 pm

CT wrote, in part:

And it will hamper [he stare's $69 billion agricultural industry, which depends on immigrant labor.

Or they could put on their Thinking Caps. Imo, they do not need immigrant labor, or dirt cheap labor.

The wages to the picker represent a tiny fraction of the retail price at the store.

A few years ago, I gal "Slicker shock" at the local Kroger store. Cucumbers were a whopping 99-cents each.

The average weight was about J/2Ib. Snooping on the net, I discovered what cuke pickers in NC were getting paid

per 20 Ib bushel. I[ carne [0 2-3 pennies each. So, with the retailers profit, (they're always whining about their paltry

theres over 90 cents left for the growers and middlemen. I'd kinda think

3-5% profits), and the pickers wages
there's some $$ in the middle to be used to pay for decent wages to Real Americans.

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Ann@1:36 wrote, in part:
For instance, the carpet and poultry industries have been completely taken over by them. These industries did rather
well for many years with the legal residents of our state working in them.
Same with the meat packing bizz in Iowa. A Des Moines reporter-ette said the workers (unionized, Real Americans)
were earning 15-16 an hour back in the 80's. Gee .... was meat prohibitively expensive back then ... ? Today it's all
non-union Mex labor, earning about $10 a hour.
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finn mccool
April 20th, 20 II
2:37 pm

illegal workers - they've brought a crime }1,'ave to the country
It wasn't illegals that emptied out 1/2 my retirement fnnds two years ago. More like npperclass Americans of
decidely European descent.

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April 20th, 20 II
2:41 pm
My first job was working summers in the onion and tobacco fields in Toombs county near Vidalia. Our entire crew
was made up of high school students and the farmer's family. I bought my first car with the money I made. Why do
we need illegals? How about we make them go through proper channels.
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April 20th, 20 II
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How does Tucker keep her job? She really only has 10 or so readers .....

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Tundra Dude
April 20th, 2011
2:50 pm
Really last word@I:32 pm wrote:
Just because they have "fake" SS cards doesn't mean they pay income taxes!'
They generally get paid in cash!
A better trick for the growers and/or agents is to take out deductions, and pocket the $, maybe send some of it in, to
look legit.
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Bob
April 20th, 2011
2:51 pm
CT-If we were to arrange for a lot of the illegal aliens to self deport by taking their financing away, what would that
do for our unemployment rate? What would that do for the unemployment rate for teenagers and young adults?
What would that do for the unemployment rate for young blacks? We can have these people working, providing for
themselves and their communities or having packs of them attacking riders on MARTA (we know that would never
happen).
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April 20th, 2011

2:56 pm
"How does Tucker keep her job? She really only has 10 or so readers ...
. and posters that benefit heavily from illegal aliens in GA.
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April 20th, 20 II
3:03 pm
Bottom line is that illegal aliens TAKE from our economy much more than they contribute to it.

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The recession was a wake up call for many Americans. It makes me happy to know that more and more Americans

realize that the entitlement class (which includes illegals) has to go.

Liberal, progressive, socialist America is loosing ground. They are loosing the very class of people that they can

look down on and depend on for votes.

Pablo has it right. IlIegals are spitting on you liberals too, you are just too damn stupid to realize it!
Enablers are pathetic.
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April 20th, 2011
3:19 pm

Karnchak

April 20th, 20 II

12:12pm

It really chaps my a$$ ...

There are creams and ointments for that condition.

Just sayin'.

Kamy - do I bring the cream or the ointment?

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Last year. my neighborhood decided to ban all landscape companies that hired illegals - which pretty much meant
no crews in our neighborhood. Neighborhood teens are now are go to lawnmowers - they are making great money
and doing an excellent job.
Teens in rural counties can do the same.
With the wave of folks that now have home gardens (our neighborhood established gardens on vacant lotsl), we are
less reliant on the grocery for our fresh. year 'round produce.
I am a Democrat and I do not support illegal labor. [ know many others that were once in support of illegal
immigration that have made the change.

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Often if you comfotanble breaking one laws. you'll be marc inclined to break others, Do not support illegal
immigration unless you want to be a part of the problem. I am proud to be part of the solution now.
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4:15 pm
Yes, we do pay taxes. \VE have an ITIN, that the IRS give us in order to pay taxes. In our pay check the goberment
deduct us SS, federal and state taxes and all that, but we do not get any service from the SS, not a dime. I'm an
illegal and I can show )'ou proof from the if... . that I've been paying taxes since the very first year I came here.
We wouldn't send our money to Mexico if we could stay here. Instead of buying a house in Mexico, I would get one
here. It doesnt make any sense buying a house here if I'm not from here.
We represent a big impact to this stale. \'I/e pay rent, electrical bills, phone bills, insurance, and I can list you a lot of
things that we spend in here, so don't tell us that we don't contribute to the American economy.
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i have an uncle used to work in the carpet mills of dalton, the mills paid a decent wage then. not great but enough

to

get by. the rea-on immigrants get these jobs is that the mills want to pay less and the
mostly latino will work for the lesser wage. so to me a lot of this rests on [he employers. pay mare than americans
will take the j(.lb

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Cynthia Tucker you, have written a real "dug mess" article about illegal immigration. What a disgusting piece of
foul propugunda! Illegal aliens are trashing e ver yrhing. sucking citizens dry financially. Your article is a diss-servise
to citizens. The sooner tillcgal aliens are removed from Georgia the better off all of us will be. Title 8.0, USC,
Federal immigration law was written to protect American citizens and must be enforced universally. That includes
Georgia.

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April 21st, 2011
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Correct if I'm wrong, Cynthia. Haven't you been writing. articles stating we should punish people who employ
illegals. You know, those evil people that prey on these poor unfortunate illegals. Seems you should be cheering this
crackdown.

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Jose

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-9:30pm. "I wnnna see what's gonna happen to GA when the illegals got [sic] kicked out ....

So do I. Vole can get off this unsustainable path back to a sustainable path. Ifillegals are required for the USA's
economy then we don't really have an economy, we just have a series of bubbles. I have no doubt that there will be
pain for a lot of employers and businesses but the taxpayers have awakened.

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