Connectu, Inc. v. Facebook, Inc. et al

Filing 135

DECLARATION re #132 MOTION to Compel Plaintiffs to Image and Search Their Memory Devices For Source Code, And To Comply with Requests for Production Nos. 102, 67-68 and 117 by Dustin Moskovitz, Andrew McCollum, Thefacebook LLC, Facebook, Inc., Mark Zuckerberg. (Attachments: #1 Exhibit 1A#2 Exhibit 1B#3 Exhibit 2#4 Exhibit 3, 4, 20, 21, and 22 (UNDER SEAL)#5 Exhibit 5#6 Exhibit 6#7 Exhibit 7#8 Exhibit 8#9 Exhibit 9#10 Exhibit 10#11 Exhibit 11#12 Exhibit 12#13 Exhibit 13#14 Exhibit 14#15 Exhibit 15#16 Exhibit 16#17 Exhibit 17#18 Exhibit 18A#19 Exhibit 18B#20 Exhibit 18C#21 Exhibit 19A#22 Exhibit 19B#23 Exhibit 23#24 Exhibit 24#25 Exhibit 25)(Sutton, Theresa) Additional attachment(s) added on 10/26/2007 (Nici, Richard).

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Connectu, Inc. v. Facebook, Inc. et al Doc. 135 Att. 3 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 1 of 33 EXHIBIT 2 Dockets.Justia.com Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 2 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 vs. UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA SAN JOSE DIVISION --------------------------- FACEBOOK, INC., and MARK ZUCKERBERG, Plaintiffs Docket No. 5:07-CV-01389 CONNECTU, INC. (formerly known as CONNECTU, LLC), et al., Defendants ----------------------------VIDEOTAPED 30(b)(6) DEPOSITION OF DAVID TUFTS In Re: IMARC LLC Friday, October 5, 2007, 9:20 a.m. Proskauer Rose LLP One International Place Boston, Massachusetts 02110 -------Reporter: ALAN H. BROCK, RDR, CRR------- FARMER ARSENAULT BROCK LLC, for: LiveNote World Service, 221 Main Street, Suite 1250 San Francisco, California 94105 Phone: 415.321.2300 Fax: 415.321.2301 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 1 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 3 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 APPEARANCES: For Plaintiffs Neel Chatterjee, Esq. Theresa A. Sutton, Esq. Orrick, Herrington, & Sutcliffe, LLP 1000 Marsh Road Menlo Park, California 94025 650.614.7307 Fax: 650.614.7401 nchatterjee@orrick.com tsutton@orrick.com For Defendants Christopher S. Schultz, Esq. Finnegan Henderson Farabow Garrett & Dunner LLP 55 Cambridge Parkway Cambridge, Massachusetts 02142 617.452.1600 Fax: 617.452.1666 christopher.schultz@finnegan.com 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 4 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 4 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 For ConnectU in Massachusetts litigation Meredith H. Schoenfeld, Esq. Finnegan Henderson Farabow Garrett & Dunner LLP 901 New York Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 202.408.4000 20001 fax: 202.408.4400 meredith.schoenfeld@finnegan.com For Eduardo Saverin in Massachusetts litigation Daniel K. Hampton, Esq. Holland & Knight LLP 10 St. James Avenue, 11th Floor Boston, Massachusetts 617.523.2700 02116 fax: 617.523.6850 dan.hampton@hklaw.com For iMarc LLC and the witness Stephen Y. Chow, Esq. Burns & Levinson LLP 125 Summer Street Boston, Massachusetts 617.345.3000 02110 fax: 617.345.3299 schow@burnslev.com ALSO: Rosa Fox-Ogg, Jared Drewniak, Videographers 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 5 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 5 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 October 5, 2007 PROCEEDINGS THE VIDEOGRAPHER: 9:20 a.m. Here begins the 30(b)(6) deposition of David Tufts, Tape 1, Volume 1, in the matter of Facebook, Inc., et al. versus ConnectU, et al. in the United States District Court, Northern District of California, San Jose Division, Case No. 5:07-CV-01389-RS. Today's date is October 5th, and the time on the video monitor is 9:21. The video operator today is Rosa Fox-Ogg, representing LiveNote World Service, located at 221 Main Street, San Francisco, California 94105, phone number 415-321-2300. The court reporter is Alan H. Brock, of the firm Farmer Arsenault Brock, on behalf of LiveNote World Service. Today's deposition is being taken on behalf of the plaintiffs and is taking place at One International Place, Boston, Massachusetts. Counsel, please introduce yourselves and state whom you represent. MR. CHATTERJEE: This is Neel Chatterjee and Theresa Sutton, representing Facebook, Inc., and Mark Zuckerberg. MR. HAMPTON: My name is Dan Hampton. I don't represent a party in the California case, but 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 6 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 6 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 addresses were at iMarc. Mr. Bushee, do you know what his email address was? A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. B-i-l-l@imarc.net. And Nick Grant? Nick@imarc.net. Fred LeBlanc? Fred@imarc.net. And Marc Pierrat? Marc, M-a-r-c, @imarc.net. So emails with those email headers would be emails that originated from the people that you identified? A. If the header was the "from" address. MR. SCHULTZ: for speculation. Q. So if it said bill@imarc.net, it would be Sorry. Objection, calls an email that came -- if it said from Bill at imarc.net, it would be an email from Bill Bushee. MR. SCHULTZ: A. Same objection. Should I This is what I don't understand: still answer the question? Q. A. Q. Yes. Yes. As I said, when he lodges an objection or anybody lodges an objection, as long as the question 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 22 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 7 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 is clear to you, you can go ahead and answer it. A. Q. All right. Is there a general practice at iMarc for people to use each others' email addresses? A. Q. I don't understand that question. So, for example, would Mr. LeBlanc generally be allowed to use Mr. Bushee's email address? MR. SCHULTZ: A. Objection, vague. I don't know of any case where that's happened. Q. Now I'm going to turn to a different topic. I want to talk to you about ConnectU, Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, and Divya Narendra. recall -Well, let me start with this: Have you Do you ever met, either electronically, through an email or the like, or live, Divya, Cameron Winklevoss, or Tyler Winklevoss? MR. SCHULTZ: A. Q. Yes. When was the first time that you met any Object to the form. one of those people? MR. SCHULTZ: A. Object to the form. This is including electronically, you said? 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 23 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 8 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. A. Q. A. Q. Yes. Whenever the first email is. Can you give me an estimate as to time? 2003. Do you recall the first time you met them via a telephone call or in person? MR. SCHULTZ: A. Object to the form. I'm I don't recall the first time. guessing it was probably after that. Q. iMarc? MR. SCHULTZ: A. Q. A. Q. Objection, foundation. And do you recall who it was that contacted I believe one of the Winklevosses. One of the Winklevoss brothers? Yes. Do you recall why they said they were contacting iMarc? MR. SCHULTZ: Objection, foundation. Assumes facts not in evidence. A. I was not part of the original. That would be typical of a client. Specifically, in this case, That the client contacts our sales department. would have been Marc -- to talk about a probable job. And then after it was ironed out, it would go So I don't recall who to me or the production team. 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 24 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 9 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 contacted us first and why, but I'm guessing it's all in those emails. Q. And when you said you were contacted -- iMarc was contacted about a possible job, what did you understand the job ultimately to be? A. By the time Marc presented it to me, I believed it to be a social networking site. Q. site"? A. A website where people can create profiles What do you mean by "social networking about themselves to interact with or network with other people on the website, either for personal dating reasons or professional reasons. Q. Please explain a little bit more what you mean by that. MR. SCHULTZ: A. I'm not sure. Objection, vague. Can you ask me a specific question? Q. Sure. You described the scope of the Did I project being a social networking website. get that right? A. Q. Yes. And you said that it was a website where people can create profiles to interact with others for dating or professional reasons. 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 25 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 10 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Q. Correct. Maybe I can probe a little bit more into what you mean by "dating and professional reasons." Let me ask the question, first: What did you mean when you said "for dating reasons"? A. I believe that they wanted to allow their users to create profiles so they could meet, connect with other people for personal reasons -friendship, dating. The website was really just about bringing people together, and from then on, it's not going to impose any rules about dating or something like that. meeting. Q. That was the scope of the project they It's mostly about just presented. A. Q. Yes. And what about professional reasons? What do you mean when you said that? A. Perhaps someone would create a profile much Other people in a company could like a resume. search through or look for specific people to hire, to work with, things like that -- professional business. Q. And were you given any guidance when you were given the scope of this project about what to 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 26 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 11 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 look at to develop this website? A. Q. A. Yes. And what guidance were you given? By the time it came to me with a proposal, there was a number of benchmarking sites -match.com, I believe, rise.com, thefacebook.com, friendster.com -- and then also some -- so those were all, especially friendster.com -- those were all social networking sites that were already out on the Internet that did something similar. And they also gave us a number of benchmarking sites for the visual look and feel. Most of those sites were And they sent really stripped down and technical. us, I believe, YSL, which might be a fashion company, a couple of sites that we had actually developed they liked the look at -- look of. So they gave us a couple other, maybe four sites -again, it's in those emails -- of benchmarking sites which they liked the look of. So we had a couple of sites that they liked features from, a couple of sites that they liked the look of. Q. You mentioned these benchmarking sites. Were you told to do anything specifically with respect to your review of the match.com website? A. No. I think that they pointed out features 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 27 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 12 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that they liked. Again, this is just from me I noticed recently looking through these emails. that on match.com there was a feature where, I think you could wink at someone. If you had a profile and -- if I had a profile and you had a profile and I found you attractive, I could wink at you and send you a little email. They liked something like that, and I think we ended up implementing something similar to that. That was something from match.com that they found appealing. Q. And what about rise.com? Do you remember anything specific that they identified that they wanted? MS. SCHOENFELD: A. Objection, relevance. I believe rise.com did a good job of presenting professional profiles, much like, you know, a resume, but online. Q. Anything else? MS. SCHOENFELD: A. Q. No. What about thefacebook.com? What did they Same objection. identify from that? MS. SCHOENFELD: A. Same objection. Some of the features that -- I think the Facebook had more of a mix of the professional and 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 28 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 13 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 it. Q. about? A. Was this the mockup that you were talking I think this was more of the concept. There actually was -- yeah, this is not HTML, I don't think. This looks like it might have been, you know, a text document or a Word document. Q. And if you look at the top part of this document, it says "My date profile" and "My connect profile." A. Q. Do you see that? Yes. When you originally learned of the project that iMarc was being hired for, were those the terms that you recall being used? A. No. If you had mentioned "My connect profile," that would not ring a bell with me. Q. Do you ever remember discussing this document with anybody? A. No. I remember looking at it and seeing Typically, a client comes to iMarc, works with They the sales team -- in this case Marc Pierrat. go through a couple of revisions of site maps -basically, the organization of all the pages; maybe some wire frames, sometimes is what we call this, which looks like what the Web page would look like, just represented in text. 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 35 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 14 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Usually it goes through a couple of revisions, and then when it's finalized, we started building it. We never actually built -- I don't think we ever built anything with "My connect profile," terms like that. There's like 15 pages of forms to fill out for your profile, and we never actually built a form this complex. Q. Did you ever receive code that had already been written before you started work, from the Winklevoss brothers or Divya Narendra? A. Yes. Well, there was HTML, which I'm not I wouldn't. There's no sure if you call that code. back-end code. code. Q. There's no database, no scripting There was HTML and graphics. Describe what you were given from the Winklevoss brothers or Divya Narendra before you started work. MS. SCHOENFELD: Objection, vague. They gave us a CD with some -- again, I'm calling them HTML mockups, nonworking -- HTML versions of what they thought the Web page would look like. I'm not sure if they actually came with like a request -- you know, an RFP or anything like that -- or if they just talked about it with Marc 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 36 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 15 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and they collaboratively developed this document. But typically, I think by the time it came to us, there was like a plan that was like, "Here's what we're going to build." Q. And do you know if the plan that was created by Marc Pierrat -- and I'm going to use the name Marc Pierrat because there are two Marks in this case. Pierrat. A. Q. Uh-huh. Do you know if the plan that was developed There's Mark Zuckerberg and Marc by Marc Pierrat with the Winklevoss brothers and Divya Narendra was based upon anything that had been previously done? MR. SCHULTZ: overbroad. A. I wouldn't say that Marc Pierrat developed I would say that Marc Pierrat worked with Objection, vague and the plan. HarvardConnection, helping them develop a plan and coaching them on what might work. there was a plan developed. developed it. But regardless, I'm not sure who But typically, it's not us who We coach them invents the website for the client. and help them and tell them what we think will work. So I think when -- again, the HTML 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 37 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 16 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 mockup that they showed us on a CD had, maybe it was called connect profile and date profile; but by the time we actually started creating a website, I believe that there was a single profile at that point. Q. A. So, again, I'm not sure. A single profile for both? Yes. We didn't build a website that had my date profile and my connect profile. Q. Now, the CD that you talked about that you received, was it ever represented to you that it included the HarvardConnection code? A. Q. What do you mean by "code"? Were you ever told that "This is the code that we've developed so far for HarvardConnection"? MR. SCHULTZ: A. Objection, vague. I'm not sure if they -- I'm not sure if anyone told us that. Q. Do you know if these HTML mockups that you received had any database structures associated with the website? A. I do not -- I mean, no, I don't think so. MR. CHATTERJEE: Exhibit 65. (Exhibit 65 marked for identification.) Q. After you've reviewed it, let me know when Let's mark this as 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 38 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 17 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you're done. A. Q. I've reviewed it. Mr. Tufts, do you recognize what I've handed to you as Exhibit No. 65? A. Q. Yes. It is "my personal rent." And when you say "my personal rent," that's an email that you've written? A. It was an email that I authored, sending it to myself, Nick Grant, and Nils Menten, collectively known as partners@imarc.net. Q. 2005? A. Q. I would say exactly on that date. If you look at the third paragraph of the Do you see that? And you authored this on about June 22nd, email, it starts with "ConnectU." A. Q. Yes. "ConnectU came to us with a specification and design for harvardconnection.com which did not look or act anything like Facebook." that? A. Q. Yes. Could you describe what you meant when you Do you see wrote that? A. I meant that they came to us with something really complicated, like this, and by the time we 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 39 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 18 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 It's more concepts. But friendster.com was doing groups, and Friendster was a really similar layout as well. Q. A. Q. Had a similar layout to whom? Facebook and ConnectU. And any other websites that had some similar features to Facebook and Friendster that you're aware of? A. I think I touched on match.com had a wink We implemented a Facebook had feature, and they liked that. feature called like Wave, I think. something called Poke. I think that all the social networking sites had similar features. Q. This HTML code that you received from the Winklevoss brothers or Divya Narendra, do you know which of those three people it came from? A. Q. No. Do you remember anyone ever telling you that someone named Vic was sending you a CD of code? A. Q. I don't remember that. Of the materials that were originally given to you or given to iMarc by the ConnectU founders, Divya Narendra, Winklevoss -- let me restate that. Of the materials that were originally given to you by the ConnectU founders -- Divya 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 42 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 19 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Narendra, Tyler Winklevoss, and Cameron Winklevoss -- were any of those materials ultimately used to build the ConnectU website? A. Q. A. Q. No. Do you know if they're in use today? I don't know if they're in use today. As of -- well, let me step back. Was there a time when the relationship between ConnectU and iMarc ended? A. Q. A. Q. A. Was there a time? Yes. Yes. And approximately when was that time? By the tone of voice of this personal rant I here, I would say it was before June 22nd, 2005. think sometime in 2004 we wanted -- we moved them off our server, that we were having some issues with them. So yeah, I mean, I'd say at least a year before this. Q. And as of a year before this email, June 2004, were any of the ideas that were originally provided to you by the ConnectU founders -- Divya Narendra, Cameron Winklevoss, and Tyler Winklevoss -- being used on the ConnectU website? MR. SCHULTZ: Objection, vague and 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 43 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 20 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 overbroad; also vague as to time. A. I think the only thing -- the only technical materials that they provided us was a CD with some HTML on it and some graphics that looked like a Web page. it. It was unusable, and we never used I don't even -- we glanced at it and realized that it was not -- you know, it's not functioning. It's easier to start -- we're well ahead of that using our own tools. So no, we never -- iMarc never used any technical materials that ConnectU provided us. Q. And what about Exhibit 64? Was any of the information in Exhibit 64 used in the ConnectU website? A. Yes. I mean, so, well, the concepts were. So it looks like this first thing, Link 9, it says "date recommendation." It shows me "I'm a man, So this is woman, looking for a man, woman." telling me I can search for the people based on their gender and age. That was implemented. "Connect to a student," the second one, it looks like I can look for people based on their major in school. So that concept was also implemented. Down this left column, "friend request," that was implemented. "My pictures," that concept, 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 44 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 21 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the ability to upload pictures, was implemented. "Comments," that was also implemented. "Messages," emailing people back and forth through the website, as opposed to traditional email clients, that also was implemented. "Shopping cart," I don't think it was. "Matchmaker," I'm not sure what that is. But yeah, a number of these concepts were actually implemented in the final -- on the first version of the website. Q. And those concepts that you just walked through, were they concepts that you had seen on other publicly available websites? A. Q. Yes, and -- yeah, yes. Could you give some examples, please? MS. SCHOENFELD: A. Objection, relevance. Any of the benchmarking websites -- match.com, rise.com, friendster.com, thefacebook.com. Q. Did any of the ConnectU founders ever tell you that Mark Zuckerberg had stolen their idea? A. Q. A. Yes. When was the first time they told you that? The first time -- again, they may have The talked about this earlier with Marc Pierrat. 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 45 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 22 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 they delete them all. IMarc does not -- it's a POP mail server, so you download it and it's up the POP male server. Q. Well, iMarc doesn't go and erase emails that people have that they've kept. A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. No. So the emails -IMarc does not do that. That would have to be an individual choice. Correct. Are you aware that iMarc produced a source- code compact disk in this case? A. I think so, yes. MR. CHATTERJEE: Exhibit 67. (Exhibit 67 marked for identification.) Q. Mr. Tufts, you don't have to study this CD I'll represent to you that it is a copy Let's mark this as carefully. of the source code that was produced in this case. I want to go back to something we talked about earlier, where you mentioned that you'd received some HTML code. A. Q. Uh-huh. Do you know if any PHP code was provided to iMarc by any of the founders of ConnectU? 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 57 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 23 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. I don't think so. I remember looking at two to three HTML pages. Q. I'm going to give you some documents and see if it refreshes your recollection; and if it does, it does, and if it doesn't, it doesn't. MR. CHATTERJEE: Exhibit 68. (Exhibit 68 marked for identification.) A. to me. Q. A. Q. Do you know what TreeSize Professional is? No. What I've handed you, Exhibit No. 68, are This does not -- this doesn't mean anything Let's mark this as the folder contents of a document that was produced to us in this litigation. source-code CD. It's actually on that Do you recognize any of the file names that are listed? A. Q. No. And you don't recall receiving any documentation with respect to these files from the founders of ConnectU? A. No. I can give you an educated guess, based on the directory structure here. Q. I don't want you to give an educated guess. Are you talking about this last-change indicator? 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 58 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 24 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 all. A. No, the 2004 0101-client_supply_site. I am guessing that ConnectU gave us the CD, we threw it up on our Web server in that folder. I think this is where we probably looked at some of these pages and realized that this is just a complete mess and not worth looking into. Q. So you don't remember looking at this at A. Again, like I said before, we looked at a By looking at this directory couple of pages. structure, it would take longer to figure out what's going on here than to just, you know, figure out what the client wants and solve their problem. So we probably got the CD from them, threw it in our file server for archive purposes, and that's what this is. But no, we didn't -- I certainly -- there's no code in here that we could have -there's nothing in here that we used. Q. A. It was all abandoned? It wasn't even -- it wasn't even -- we didn't even use it to abandon. MR. SCHULTZ: "abandoned." A. To abandon it, you have to start using it Object to the term and then abandon it. 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 59 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 25 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. That's a fair point. That's a fair point. You never made use of it in developing the connectu.com website. A. Q. Correct. So if I were to show you excerpts of that code, you don't think it would refresh your recollection as to anything. A. I think visually if you showed me the front page, it said like "HarvardConnection" with some sort of brown picture, visually -- that's what we looked at, and we said this doesn't look good, the code isn't good, we're not using any of this. "If you want to make a website with us, we're going to make a Website our way." Q. And let me drill down a little bit on that. For example, I have here some excerpts of PHP codes and table structures that are based upon files in those directories. A. Q. Uh-huh. And what you're telling me is you never looked at any of that. A. Q. No. What was the financial arrangement between iMarc and the ConnectU founders? MS. SCHOENFELD: Objection, relevance; 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 60 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 26 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 objection, vague. A. Q. A. Q. What was the financial obligation? Arrangement. Arrangement? Let me state it a different way: Describe to me what you understood the contractual relationship between iMarc and the ConnectU founders or anybody with respect to the ConnectU website. MS. SCHOENFELD: MR. SCHULTZ: A. Same objection. Objection, foundation. We -- they came to us, described a website Our sales, business-development that they wanted. team worked with ConnectU to roughly define a scope. They put a time line and a budget on that. either 30 or 50 percent upfront. If it's 30 We get percent, we get another 30 percent in the middle, and a final payment at the end. website. We build the If they And there's no ongoing contract. want to add updates after the fact, it's either hourly, or if it's a really large update -- again, we define what it's going to be, how long it's going to take, and put a price to it. Q. A. Q. Who did iMarc sign a contract with? I don't know if it was -- I don't know. Do you know if it was with ConnectU, LLC? 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 61 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 27 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 contract with Mark Zuckerberg? MR. SCHULTZ: scope of the deposition. A. Q. Not that I remember. Did they ever tell you that Mark Zuckerberg Objection, outside the was a partner in their project? MR. SCHULTZ: A. Q. Same objection. Not that I remember. Do you remember at any point in time any of the ConnectU founders telling you to keep information confidential that they were sharing? MR. SCHULTZ: Objection, outside the scope of the 30(b)(6) topics. A. Q. I don't remember that, no. We'll go through a few more names, not iMarc names. Are you familiar with someone by the name of David Gucwa? A. Again, I'll probably -- if I saw his name printed -- the pronunciation doesn't sound familiar. If I saw it printed -- a lot of these people are just email addresses to me, so if you showed me his name printed -Q. recall. He's not actually in any emails that I I just wondered if you'd heard the name. 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 65 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 28 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Q. A. Q. A. No. It's G-u-c-w-a. I don't know. What about John Taves, T-a-v-e-s? Yes, I believe that he was sort of the new He was technically in charge of webmaster, maybe. the site after we -- he took over after we were done. Q. Have you ever had conversations with Mr. Taves? A. Q. Yep. And when do you remember having your first conversation with him? A. I'm not sure of the exact -- maybe late When we were -- we -- iMarc 2004, or summer 2004. moved ConnectU off of our servers, onto their own server, he seemed to be the one who was going to take over, technically take over. So there was a couple of conference calls, talking about where files were, where stuff was. Q. servers? A. We just weren't happy with stuff they were Why was ConnectU being taken off of your asking us to do, and we just weren't happy with our relationship with them. 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 66 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 29 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. A. Describe what you mean by that. They asked us to do a couple of things that we deemed unethical, and they actually seemed to do something -- seemed to send out emails that we saw, and we didn't want that happening on a server that we managed. Q. A. Anything else? Just in general we just weren't happy working with them any more. Q. Other than the email issue, when you say you generally weren't happy, what was prompting those feelings? A. I think I touched on in that personal rant, where they were just telling us to "Do this, add this, add this," and that's not really how we work and like to work. We were growing and had enough other clients that we just really didn't want to work that way with them. Compound that with a couple of unethical things that they seemed to be doing, we just didn't want any part of managing their server or working with them any more. Q. Were you concerned at all for iMarc's liability associated with some of those activities? A. Q. Oh, yeah, sure, yep. Describe what you mean by that. 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 67 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 30 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. If it's a server that we manage that might have other clients on it and someone sends out mass emails from it and the server gets blacklisted -which would mean that it's known to send spam, so email clients won't accept mail from that -- if they're sending spam, it gets the whole server blacklisted, and we have other clients that suddenly their email stops working. deal with that. Q. by that? A. Sending out email without someone signing So we didn't want to That's not what we do. What do you mean You used the term "spam." up for it or requesting it. Q. Did you ever tell the Winklevoss brothers or Divya Narendra that you didn't -- that you found these emails unethical? A. Q. Yes. Tell me when you first discussed that issue with any of them. A. It's in one of the emails. It's referenced in the bullet list in the back of the thing, where they sent out a number of emails, 6:00 a.m. by a.m. we saw, what are they doing, and we disabled the ability to do that and talked with them about it. 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 68 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 31 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. I'll ask a little bit more about that a little bit later today. I want to go back to John Taves. So after migrating the ConnectU website from the iMarc servers to John Taves -Does he have a business? A. I think originally -- so iMarc hosted a So we buy one number of websites on shared servers. single piece of hardware and can fit, you know, 40 to 50 websites on it. Step No. 1, when we saw that, you know -- when we started to question their ethics, we told them, "You guys get your own server. You sign up for it, and we'll help you move stuff there." I don't know if John Taves had anything to do with that, if he actually owned the server or whatnot. server. So it's not saying it's John Taves' It's a server that ConnectU set up. They gave us the log-in information to move everything to. So I think that was before there was any talk of John Taves. Q. And so what was the first circumstance you remember having an interaction with John Taves? A. I think he wanted to add a feature to the website, and he was obviously taking over the webmastering stuff. We were not as responsive with 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 69 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 32 of 33 10/5/2007 CAL - iMarc (30(b)6), Tufts, David 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CERTIFICATE OF COURT REPORTER I, Alan H. Brock, Registered Professional Reporter and Certified Realtime Reporter, do certify that the deposition of David Tufts, in the matter of Face Book, Inc., and Mark Zuckerberg v. ConnectU, Inc., et al., on October 5, 2007, was stenographically recorded by me; that the witness provided satisfactory evidence of identification, as prescribed by Executive Order 455 (03-13) issued by the Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, before being sworn by me, a Notary Public in and for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts; that the transcript produced by me is a true and accurate record of the proceedings to the best of my ability; that I am neither counsel for, related to, nor employed by any of the parties to the above action; and further that I am not a relative or employee of any attorney or counsel employed by the parties thereto, nor financially or otherwise interested in the outcome of the action. _____________________________ Alan H. Brock, RDR, CRR October 9, 2007 10/19/2007 5:10 PM 168 Case 1:07-cv-10593-DPW Document 135-4 Filed 10/24/2007 Page 33 of 33

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