Viacom International, Inc. et al v. Youtube, Inc. et al

Filing 376

DECLARATION of ANDREW H. SCHAPIRO in Support re: 177 MOTION for Summary Judgment Regarding Applicability of the DMCA and on Plaintiffs' Inducement Claims.. Document filed by Youtube, Inc., Youtube, LLC, Google, Inc.. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit 96 - 109, # 2 Exhibit 110 Part 1, # 3 Exhibit 110 Part 2, # 4 Exhibit 110 Part 3, # 5 Exhibit 110 Part 4)(Schapiro, Andrew)

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U N I T E D S T A T E S D I S T R I CT C O U R T F O R T H E S O U T H E R N D I S T RI C T O F N E W Y O R K VIACOM INTERNATIONAL, INC., COMEDY P A R T N E R S , C O U N T R Y M U SI C T E L E V I S I O N , I N C . , P A RA M O U N T PICTURES CORPORATION, and BLACK E N T E R T A I N M E N T T E L E V I SI O N , L L C , ) ) ) ) ) ) Plaintiffs, ) ) vs. ) ) NO. 07-CV-2103 ) Y O U T U B E , I N C . , Y O U T U BE , L L C , ) and GOOGLE, INC., ) ) Defendants. ) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ) ) T H E F O O T B A L L A S S O C I A TI O N P R E M I E R ) L E A G U E L I M I T E D , B O U R NE C O . , e t a l . , ) o n b e h a l f o f t h e m s e l v es a n d a l l ) o t h e r s s i m i l a r l y s i t ua t e d , ) ) Plaintiffs, ) vs. ) ) NO. 07-CV-3582 ) Y O U T U B E , I N C . , Y O U T U BE , L L C , a n d ) GOOGLE, INC., ) ) Defendants. ) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ) VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF MICHELENA HALLIE NEW YORK, NEW YORK T H U R S D A Y , D E C E M B E R 1 0, 2 0 0 9 JOB NO. 18264

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F O R T H E P L A I N T I F F S V I A C O M I N T ER N A T I O N A L , INC.: JENNER & BLOCK 1099 New York Avenue, NW, Suite 900 Washington, D.C. 2000 [phone] BY: SCOTT WILKENS, ESQ. [e-mail]

FOR DEFENDANTS, GOOGLE: W I L S O N S O N S I N I G O O D R I C H & R O S AT I 650 Page Mill Road Palo Alto, CA 94304-1050 BY: MAURA L. REES, ESQ. [e-mail]

ALSO PRESENT: Carlos King, Videographer

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FEDERAL STIPULATIONS

IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND A G R E E D b y a n d b e t w e e n t h e a t t o rn e y s f o r t h e r e s p e c t i v e p a r t i e s h e r e i n, t h a t f i l i n g a n d s e a l i n g b e a n d t h e sa m e a r e hereby waived.

IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND A G R E E D t h a t a l l o b j e c t i o n s , e xc e p t a s t o the form of the question, shall be r e s e r v e d t o t h e t i m e o f t h e t r ia l .

IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND A G R E E D t h a t t h e w i t h i n d e p o s i ti o n m a y b e sworn to and signed before any officer a u t h o r i z e d t o a d m i n i s t e r a n o at h , w i t h the same force and effect as if signed and sworn to before the Court.

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]

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MICHELENA HALLIE the witness clearly, even with the red water bottle there? THE VIDEOGRAPHER: MR. WILKENS: to check. Thanks. Exhibit 11. Yes.

I just wanted

MS. REES:

(Whereupon, the a f o r e m e n t i o n e d d o c u m e n t s , B a yT S P 003927252 through '253, were marked as Defendant's Exhibit Hallie-11 for identification as of this date by the Reporter.) THE WITNESS: Q. Okay.

Exhibit 11 begins with the

B a t e s n u m b e r B a y T S P 0 0 3 9 2 7 2 5 2. Can you identify Exhibit 11? A. It appears to be an E-mail

c h a i n b e t w e e n m e a n d v a r i o u s m em b e r s o f B a y T S P , p r i m a r i l y M a r k I s h i k aw a . Q. If you look towards the

middle of the first page of the e x h i b i t , t h e r e i s a n E - m a i l f r om y o u t o M a r k I s h i k a w a , c c ' d t o s o m e o t he r people, in which you say, "But as I

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MICHELENA HALLIE said, I don't want planning the meeting t o d e l a y m o v i n g f o r w a r d o n b r o ad e n i n g the program, since I am getting a lot of pressure here for a proposal that we can implement ASAP." From whom were you getting the pressure that you referred to in this E-mail? A. Q. I don't remember. Do you have an idea of who

y o u b e l i e v e i t i s l i k e l y t h a t yo u w e r e g e t t i n g p r e s s u r e f r o m , b a s e d on t h e people that you were generally dealing w i t h o n t h e s e i s s u e s i n t h i s t im e f r a m e ? MR. WILKENS: the form. A. My vague recollection is Objection to

t h a t i t w o u l d h a v e b e e n , p o s s i bl y , A d a m and Mike Fricklas. Q. At the top of the page, the

very first E-mail on the page, from you to Mark Ishikawa, in the middle of the E - m a i l , y o u s a y , " A n d I d o t h i nk m o s t p e o p l e w i l l b e p r i m a r i l y i n t e re s t e d i n

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]

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MICHELENA HALLIE the metrics information. T h o ug h f o r

t h e I S P s i t e s l i k e Y o u T u b e , G o og l e , Y a h o o a n d M y S p a c e , m y a s s u m p t io n i s w e w i l l w a n t t o b e t a k i n g d o w n a t le a s t some of our material as well." What did you mean when you r e f e r r e d t o m e t r i c s i n f o r m a t io n ? A. M y g e n e r a l r e c o l l e c t i o n is

that we wanted to get a better u n d e r s t a n d i n g o f t h e i n f r i n g em e n t p r o b l e m t h a t M T V N h a d a c r o s s t he Internet. S o , m y a s s u m p t i o n w as t h a t

that was how I used the phrase, "metrics information." Q. When you say, a better

u n d e r s t a n d i n g o f t h e i n f r i n g em e n t problem as being related to the way t h a t y o u u s e d t h e p h r a s e , " m e t ri c s i n f o r m a t i o n , " d o e s t h a t m e a n th a t V i a c o m w a s i n t e r e s t e d i n f i n d in g o u t , for example, how many clips of its c o n t e n t w e r e b e i n g f o u n d o n a si t e l i k e YouTube? A. I r e c a l l t h a t w e d i d n ' t f ee l

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MICHELENA HALLIE w e h a d e n o u g h i n f o r m a t i o n o n h ow a n d w h e r e o u r p r o p e r t i e s w e r e b e i ng infringed on the Internet. And that we

d e c i d e d t h a t a g o o d w a y t o , a t le a s t , s t a r t g a t h e r i n g t h a t i n f o r m a ti o n w a s t h r o u g h a t r a c k i n g p r o c e s s t h at B a y T S P seemed equipped to provide for us. Q. What types of information

w o u l d B a y T S P p r o v i d e t h r o u g h th a t tracking process? A. What type -- which of our

shows were most vulnerable to i n f r i n g e m e n t ; w h i c h s i t e s , p ee r - t o - p e e r s e r v i c e s o r o t h e r s e r v i c e s o n th e Internet, were most rampant in posting the infringing content. Q. D i d t h e m e t r i c s i n f o r m a t io n

you were talking about include things l i k e n u m b e r o f v i e w s o f a p o t e nt i a l l y infringing clip? A. it did. Y e s , m y r e c o l l e c t i o n i s t ha t O h , v i e w s , I a m n o t s u re . I

am not sure.

I k n o w t h a t i t i n cl u d e d

the number of pieces uploaded, but I am

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]

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MICHELENA HALLIE not sure if it included views. MS. REES: Exhibit 12.

(Whereupon, the a f o r e m e n t i o n e d d o c u m e n t , B a y TS P 003733345, was marked as Defendant's Exhibit Hallie-12 for identification as of this date by the Reporter.) THE WITNESS: Q. A. Okay.

C a n y o u i d e n t i f y E x h i b i t 12 ? I t a p p e a r s t o b e a n E - m a i l,

i n i t i a l l y f r o m C i n d y M o r a l e s to D e a n a A r i z a l a , a t B a y T S P , a n d t h e n D ea n a Arizala to Mark Ishikawa. Q. A n d i n t h e E - m a i l f r o m C i nd y

M o r a l e s , a t t h e b o t t o m o f t h e pa g e , s h e s a y s , " W e w o u l d l i k e t o h a v e a ll c l i p s that are two and a half minutes or g r e a t e r r e m o v e d o f f o f Y o u T u b e, e x c e p t for The Daily Show and Colbert Report. F o r t h e s e t w o t i t l e s , w e a r e r eq u e s t i n g that you remove clips that are five minutes or longer." Do you know why there was a

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]

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MICHELENA HALLIE marked as Defendant's Exhibit Hallie-45 for identification as of this date by the Reporter.) A. Q. A. Okay. C a n y o u i d e n t i f y E x h i b i t 45 ? It appears to be an E-mail

c h a i n b e t w e e n m e , v a r i o u s p e o pl e a t BayTSP, and then, ultimately, including Cindy Morales. Q. And in the very middle of

t h e f i r s t p a g e , t h e r e i s a n E - ma i l f r o m y o u r e s p o n d i n g t o a q u e s t i o n f ro m Courtney Nieman. W e l l , f i r s t Co u r t n e y

N i e m a n ' s q u e s t i o n a t t h e b o t t om o f t h e page, it says, "A question came up from the group of people that are approving/declining the video clips. W h a t a b o u t c o m m e r c i a l s / t r a i l er s / p r o m o s , s h o u l d t h e s e b e a p p r o v e d o r d e cl i n e d . " And your response is "If t h e r e a r e c o m m e r c i a l s / t r a i l e rs / p r o m o s for programs on the list, they should b e t a k e n d o w n , u n l e s s i t i s f r om t h e a d d r e s s e s t h a t C i n d y s e n t t o y ou t h a t

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]

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MICHELENA HALLIE a r e c l i p s t h a t w e u p l o a d e d o u r se l v e s . " And it looks, at the very t o p , y o u a r e a s k i n g C i n d y i f s he h a s the, "White List." First of all, what is the White List? A. I am assuming from this,

t h a t i t i s t h e l i s t o f c l i p s t h at M T V N authorized to be uploaded. Q. compiled? A. People within MTVN were And how was the White List

directed to send any user names or other identifying information to Cindy Morales and/or Warren Solow's group, depending on the time. Q. And in your E-mail in the

middle of the page that starts, "If t h e r e a r e c o m m e r c i a l s / t r a i l e rs / p r o m o s , " y o u r i n s t r u c t i o n i s , " t h e y s h ou l d b e taken down unless they are from the addresses Cindy sent to you." So was the policy, at that time, that clips that appeared to be

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MICHELENA HALLIE c o m m e r c i a l s , t r a i l e r s o r p r o mo s s h o u l d b e t a k e n d o w n i f t h e y w e r e n o t up l o a d e d b y V i a c o m o r s o m e o n e a f f i l i a t ed w i t h Viacom? A. correct. That would appear to be I f w e h a d n ' t a u t h o r i ze d t h e i r

u p l o a d , t h e y s h o u l d b e t a k e n d ow n . MR. WILKENS: Can we take

another, really quick, break? MS. REES: Sure. Thanks. The time

MR. WILKENS:

THE VIDEOGRAPHER:

is 3:53 p.m. and we are off the record. (Whereupon, a recess was held.) THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time

is 3:58 p.m. and we are back on the record. BY MS. REES: MS. REES: Exhibit 46.

(Whereupon, the aforementioned documents, VIA 1 1 7 8 8 0 9 6 a n d V I A 1 1 7 8 7 0 9 6 , w e re

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MICHELENA HALLIE J a n u a r y ' 0 7 t h a n i t b e c a m e i n Ap r i l o f '07. Q. And do you have any

r e c o l l e c t i o n o f w h e t h e r t h a t 's h o w t h e p o l i c y e v o l v e d , a t l e a s t b e t w ee n t h e s e two dates? A. Q. I don't. D i d t h e d i f f e r e n c e i n p o l ic y

a b o u t w h e t h e r t o t a k e d o w n o r l ea v e u p c o m m e r c i a l s a n d a d v e r t i s i n g cl i p s f o r M T V N p r o g r a m m i n g , d i d i t h a v e to d o with the fact that January 2007 was b e f o r e t h e m a s s t a k e d o w n a n d V ia c o m w a n t e d t o t a k e d o w n a s m a n y c l ip s a s p o s s i b l e , w h e r e a s A p r i l 2 0 0 7 wa s a f t e r the mass takedown and there was no longer that goal? MR. WILKENS: the form. A. the case. I don't recall that being I recall all of these Objection to

d e c i s i o n s , a s I t h i n k t h e d o c u me n t s will back up, were evolving in part of a legal analysis.

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MICHELENA HALLIE MS. REES: Exhibit 47.

(Whereupon, the a f o r e m e n t i o n e d d o c u m e n t , B a y TS P 004295197, was marked as Defendant's Exhibit Hallie-47 for identification as of this date by the Reporter.) A. Q. A. Okay. C a n y o u i d e n t i f y E x h i b i t 47 ? It is an E-mail from

Courtney Nieman to Travis Hill with c o p i e s t o v a r i o u s p e o p l e , i n c lu d i n g m e . Q. And is this the list of

a c c o u n t n a m e s t h a t w a s d e s c r i be d i n a p r e v i o u s E - m a i l a s t h e W h i t e L is t ? A. It -- judging from the

t i m i n g , t h a t E - m a i l t h a t y o u a re r e f e r r i n g t o w a s J a n u a r y 3 r d a nd t h i s i s J a n u a r y 3 1 s t , s o i t i s p o s s ib l e t h a t it is. Q. A n d t h i s w a s - - t h e p u r p o se

o f g i v i n g t h i s l i s t t o B a y T S P wa s s o t h a t B a y T S P w o u l d k n o w n o t t o ta k e d o w n v i d e o s t h a t V i a c o m h a d p o s t e d to

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MICHELENA HALLIE Y o u T u b e u n d e r t h e a c c o u n t n a m es l i s t e d in Exhibit 47? A. Well, that they not take

d o w n c l i p s t h a t V i a c o m h a d a u t ho r i z e d to be posted. I d o n ' t k n o w i f it w a s

V i a c o m i t s e l f o r a g e n t s o f V i a co m . Q. I n t h e e a r l y 2 0 0 7 t i m e f r a me ,

w e r e y o u f a m i l i a r w i t h a m a r k e ti n g f i r m t h a t V i a c o m w a s u s i n g c a l l e d F an s c a p e ? A. I have heard of Fanscape. I

d o n ' t r e m e m b e r w h e n I f i r s t h e ar d o f it. Q. D o y o u k n o w w h y F a n s c a p e is B e c a u s e F a n sc a p e w a s

not on this list?

p o s t i n g v i d e o s o n b e h a l f o f V i ac o m a t this time, right? MR. WILKENS: Objection to

the form of the question. A. I don't recall. I recall I don't

hearing the name, Fanscape.

even remember in what context. Q. Looking at this list now, is

i t y o u r b e l i e f t h a t t h i s l i s t is i n c o m p l e t e , t h a t e v e n a s o f J a nu a r y 3 1 ,

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MICHELENA HALLIE 2 0 0 7 , t h e r e a r e q u i t e a f e w m o re a u t h o r i z e d c l i p s t h a t a p p e a r on t h i s list? A. I don't know. MS. REES: Exhibit 48.

(Whereupon, the aforementioned documents, VIA 1 6 6 6 9 2 9 4 t h r o u g h ' 2 9 8 , w e r e m ar k e d a s D e f e n d a n t ' s E x h i b i t H a l l i e- 4 8 f o r i d e n t i f i c a t i o n a s o f t h i s da t e by the Reporter.) A. Q. A. Okay. C a n y o u i d e n t i f y E x h i b i t 48 ? It is an E-mail chain that

s t a r t s b e t w e e n t h e v a r i o u s p e op l e , a p p a r e n t l y , o f P a r a m o u n t P i c tu r e s . T h e n A l P e r r y f o r w a r d s i t t o M ar k M o r r i l , S c o t t M a r t i n a n d m y s e lf , copying Rebecca Prentice. I r es p o n d

a n d M i k e F r i c k l a s a p p e a r s t o r es p o n d . Q. In the second page, there

appears to be a question from P a r a m o u n t ; " C a n y o u c l a r i f y P ar a m o u n t ' s p o s i t i o n o n d e a l i n g w i t h Y o u T ub e a t a

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MICHELENA HALLIE local level? A r e w e a b l e t o w o rk w i t h

t h e m i f w e a r e u s i n g o u r o w n a p pr o v e d m a t e r i a l o r i s t h i s a b l a n k e t ru l i n g t h a t w e s h o u l d n o t b e d e a l i n g wi t h YouTube at all?" And then the request is forwarded a couple of times and some of it is redacted. O n t h e f i r s t p ag e i n

t h e m i d d l e o f t h e p a g e , t h e p o rt i o n o f y o u r r e s p o n s e t h a t i s n o t r e d a ct e d i s , " A s o f n o w , w e a r e p o s t i n g c l i ps a n d p r o v i d i n g I P a d d r e s s e s t o B a y so t h e y know not to take them down." So, first of all, as I think y o u t e s t i f i e d b e f o r e , a l t h o u gh t e l l m e i f I a m w r o n g , V i a c o m d i d n o t h av e a n y p o l i c y o f , y o u k n o w , f o r e x a m p le , a f t e r t h e m a s s t a k e d o w n i n F e b r u a r y of 2 0 0 7 , o f t e l l i n g i t s e m p l o y e e s t o s t op putting clips on YouTube? That was not

a p o l i c y t h a t V i a c o m a d o p t e d , ri g h t ? MR. WILKENS: Objection to

the form of the question. A. T h e r e w a s a p o l i c y r e g a r d in g

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]

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RE: GooTube going sideways? Robinson, Carole -:EX:/O=VIACOM/OU=MTVUSA/CN=RECIPIENTS/CN= ROBINSOC;:

Hurvitz, Lauren
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2005 03:40:20 +0000

I just can't believe we are going down this bad legal strategy road. It truly bums me out. Feels like we're not in charge, right?

From: Hurvitz, Lauren
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2005 10:34 PM
To: Robinson, Carole Subject: RE: GooTube going sideways?

If we pull our content down and sue youtube with no alternative I bet Jon Stewart and Colbert wil have a fit.

From: Robinson, Carole
Sent: Mon 12/18/2005 10:33 PM

To: Hurvitz, Lauren
Subject: RE: GooTube going sideways?

LaurDid you read what I sent her for the meeting?
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From: Hurvitz, Lauren
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2005 10:03 PM

To: Robinson, Carole; McGrath, Judy
Subject: RE: GooTube going sideways?

Very tough position. If we take our content out of the market place we will suffer consumer, press and talent backlash for sure.

From: Robinson, Carole
Sent: Mon 12/18/20059:42 PM

To: McGrath, Judy; Hurvitz, Lauren
Subject: RE: GooTube going sideways?

I like that he's all over it but I hate that he has to be. Wish we were in a different place. Do you know the timing on when this plays out? Would be good to discuss tomorrow morning, too.

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-----Original Message----From: McGrath, Judy Sent: Monday, December 18, 2005 9:20 PM

To: Robinson, Carole; Hurvitz, Lauren
Subject: Fw: GooTube going sideways?

Yeesh.
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld

----- Original Message ----From: Salmi, Mika

To: McGrath, Judy
Cc: Cahan, Adam Sent: Mon Dec 18 21:02:35 2006

Subject: GooTube going sideways?
Hi Judy

Adam (copied) has told me that the deal with GooTube has hit an impasse and that there is a good
chance that we may ask GooTube to pull down all our content over 30 seconds (9,000 clips?).

If this is the case, then we may need an alternative for consumers to find and watch our video than

what we currently offer. Otherwise, we risk being raked over the coals by consumers and the press.
The key site for us is Comedy Central.
Here are our options:

1. Post everything to iFilm and make it clear that this is where to go. * easy to do as it is already happening for the most part * confusing consumer message to send then from one aggregator (youtube) to another (ifilm) when we really should send them to the brand or show site anmd develop a relationship

* overall direction of ifilm is clear.
2. Use the RealityDigital test site

http://Comedycentral.realitydigital.com -: http://comedycentral.realitydigital.com/;:
Username: comedycentral Password: comedycentrall00

* limited features but it is simple and it works * can run in parallel with the full CC.com site and just be for video
* clunky site (created in a week), doesn't work with our current systems, and not our best effort * CC folks haven't approved it though they've seen it and thought it was okay, not great

3. Use Tagworld to create "open" platform for all mtvn sites * in progress, with initial show site being built for late january (Showbiz Show)
* show site will be proof for all the rest of mtvn to use it * will work with all current mtvn systems so will be easy to use in current workflow

* it would be a sprint to get it done by jan 2nd for all of ComedyCentral content
#3 is our preference but the plan for that was to start rolling stuff out throughout Q1. This rushed timetable of legal action against YouTube is not great in terms of building the best product and

consumer experience. I would prefer for us to start the legal action once we have an alternative ready (late Ql).

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So, I just want you to know the story. The first decision is whether we want to offer an alternative if

legal action begins. Then, we need to decide what is that alternative (choices 1-3 above). We also need all the ComedyCentral folks on board and engaged in this. And again, my preference is for us to
have more time to develop an alternative - rushing will not serve us welL.

Please tell me if you need more info.
Mika

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