MCFADYEN et al v. DUKE UNIVERSITY et al
Filing
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REPLY, filed by Plaintiffs BRECK ARCHER, RYAN MCFADYEN, MATTHEW WILSON, to Response to #297 First MOTION to Compel filed by BRECK ARCHER, RYAN MCFADYEN, MATTHEW WILSON. (Attachments: #1 Exhibit Duke's "redaction log", #2 Exhibit Additional proof that Sgt. Smith disclosed Ryan McFadyen's, Matt Wilson's, and Breck Archer's DukeCard data to Sgt. Gottlieb)(EKSTRAND, ROBERT)
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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FOR THE MIDDLE DISTRICT OF NORTH CAROLINA
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RYAN MCFADYEN, et al.,
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Plaintiffs,
vs.
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DUKE UNIVERSITY, et al.,
Defendants.
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DEPOSITION
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OF
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GARY NEAL SMITH
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Q:
Okay.
All right.
Now, let's look back at
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what was Exhibit 1, and to page 8.
And these are
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for March 31, 2006.
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hours, or 3 p.m., it says, "Investigator Smith and
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Stotsenberg from Duke police" -- oh, do you see where
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reading?
entries
I'm
If you look at the entry for 1500
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A:
What time?
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Q:
Sorry.
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A:
Okay.
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"Investigator Smith and Stotsenberg from
3 p.m., 1500.
Duke
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police drove up to the District 2 Substation as I was
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leaving.
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reports to me requested by us.
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Duke who were being harassed due to this case (Duke
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reports 2006-1548 and 2006-1515), and one is a key card
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report for the team members on March 13, 2006, to
And they had three reports they delivered,
Two were for staff at
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March 14, 2006."
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Is this an accurate statement of what
happened at 3 p.m. on March 31st?
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I recall giving a key card report.
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honestly don't remember giving them anything else.
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Okay.
So you don't recall what these other
two reports were?
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I don't recall, no.
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Q:
I'd like to -- you can put Smith 1 to the
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side, sir.
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MR. THOMPSON:
I'd like to ask the
court
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reporter to mark as Smith 3 the following document.
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[SMITH EXHIBIT NO. 3 WAS MARKED FOR
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IDENTIFICATION]
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BY MR. THOMPSON:
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Thank you.
So, sir, this is an e-mail from
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Aaron Graves dated July 25, 2007, to Kemel Dawkins,
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subject "Confidential."
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woman?
Who is -- is Dawkins a man or a
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A man.
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Q:
Who is Mr. Dawkins?
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A:
At that time, he was Aaron Graves' boss.
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Q:
Okay.
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A:
I don't recall the position.
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Q:
Is he still in that position?
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No.
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Q:
Okay.
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Yes.
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Q:
Okay.
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I have no idea.
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Has he left Duke?
Where is he now?
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Q:
Okay.
Let us continue.
This e-mail starts,
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"Today I met with Investigator Gary Smith along with
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Major Michael Snellgrove of the DUPD."
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Is that Duke University Police Department?
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A:
Excuse me?
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Q:
Is DUPD --
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Yes.
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Q:
Okay.
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A:
He was a major at the time this was written.
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Q:
Okay.
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conversation?
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A:
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Graves.
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Q:
And who was Mr. Snellgrove?
And why was he involved in this
He was a major, and you'd have to ask Aaron
Okay.
"The purpose of this meeting was to
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hear for myself Investigator Smith's role in releasing
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the card access information to members of the Durham
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Police Department investigating the Duke lacrosse rape
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case.
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offered and obtained this information as a resource to
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DPD Investigator Gottlieb."
In our conversation, he advised me that they
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So you offered to Mr. Gottlieb to get this
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key card information for him.
Is that true?
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Yes.
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Q:
And why did you do that?
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I had in the past used key card information
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in the course of my investigations, and it occurred to
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that it might be helpful to Gottlieb, so I asked him if
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he wanted it, and he said yes.
me
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And it might be helpful because it indicates
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whether a student was in Durham at the time of the
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alleged crime?
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Yes.
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Q:
All right.
And it also helps to pinpoint
the
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time of their movements.
Is that right?
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A:
If they've used their card, yes.
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Q:
And it was particularly important here where
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you had a witness who couldn't accurately identify who
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was at the party, correct?
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A:
I never spoke to Crystal Mangum.
I wasn't
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privy to the contents of her interviews, and I don't
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remember ever having a conversation with Gottlieb about
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what she told him, so in reference to that point, I
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know.
don't
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know
Q:
Well, with the benefit of hindsight, you
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that she, Ms. Mangum, had significant problems
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identifying who was at the party, right?
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With the benefit of hindsight, all I can say
is I've done my best to avoid the Duke lacrosse case.
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many years.
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individuals were in Durham that night to make sure that
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someone who was gone for spring break wasn't indicted,
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the key cards would have been a very important piece of
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corroborative evidence, correct?
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A:
You've been -- you were an investigator for
If you had wanted to find out whether these
The key card would have allowed --
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information would have allowed them to -- should have
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allowed them to know who was -- no, that's not quite
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correct.
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who was on campus, where they were on campus, within a
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certain time frame.
It would have provided them with information
on
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Q:
And that's critical information in an
investigation.
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A:
It's helpful information.
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Q:
And it's particularly helpful if you have a
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witness who is impaired and can't remember who was the
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alleged perpetrator.
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irregardless
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A:
In my mind, particularly helpful
of the condition of the witness.
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Q:
Why is it particularly helpful?
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It's -- if you've got a time and a place
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where something happened, then if people are using their
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cards at other places at that time or within a time
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around that time, it says they were or they weren't at a
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specific location.
frame
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Had you ever provided key card access
information to the Durham police on any other occasion?
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I could not give you a specific instance.
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have at times provided the Duke -- excuse me -- Durham
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police with reports that would have included key card
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information.
I have been told by another investigator
that
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she has, in fact, and other investigators have, in fact,
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provided key card information to Durham on occasion.
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Q:
Which investigator is that?
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That would have been Sara-Jane Raines.
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Q:
And in the instances where you provided this
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information, was that before March of 2006?
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Yes.
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Q:
And after March of 2006, have you ever again
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provided key card access information to the Durham
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police?
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Not that I'm aware of.
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Q:
Okay.
All right.
Now, if we go to the last
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sentence of this first full paragraph, it says, "He,"
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meaning you, "provided him," meaning Gottlieb -- so
Smith
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provided Gottlieb a copy of a report containing access
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information for a specified period of time.
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I'm sorry, where are we at?
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Q:
Okay. sorry.
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Okay.
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And last sentence.
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pronouns here.
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I'm wrong, that's fine.
It's the first full paragraph.
And there are a lot of
You can read it -- I mean, if you think
But I think the "he" refers to
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you and the second -- and the "him" refers to Gottlieb
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because it says, "He provided him a copy of a report" --
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and the "he" is you, correct?
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Right.
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And the "him" is Gottlieb, correct?
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Yes.
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Q:
-- "containing access information for a
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specified time period of all men's lacrosse players
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entering their campus residences."
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A:
Is this accurate?
I provided Mark Gottlieb with a card reader
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report for card reader activity for members of the men's
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lacrosse team for a time frame.
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Q:
Okay.
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That would have included any card reader
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activity.
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Q:
Okay.
For all the members of the lacrosse
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I'm trying to recall what I used as the
team?
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basis.
And if it was the roster, then it would have
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for the men's lacrosse players listed on the roster.
been
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Probably with one exception.
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remember.
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would have used the roster as my guide.
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Maybe not.
I don't
I remember I used the roster as my guide.
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Is the one possible exception the
African-American player, Mr. Sherwood?
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Well, I know I did not provide his picture.
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Okay.
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I don't recall if his name was among those
on
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the key card information or not.
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All right.
I don't recall.
But all the white members of the
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team, you provided their key card information to
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Mr. Gottlieb.
Is that right?
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MR. SUN:
Objection.
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THE WITNESS:
I -- again, I don't
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remember counting how many names were on the roster.
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they were on the roster, I provided it.
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on the roster, I probably didn't.
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BY MR. THOMPSON:
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All right.
If
If they weren't
I don't know.
Now, let's go to the next
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paragraph.
It says, "Investigator Smith was asked why
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voluntarily provided such information and if at the time
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he was aware that such information was protected under
he
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FERPA."
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That's F-E-R-P-A.
"He stated that information of this type was
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provided in the past and he thought it would aid in the
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investigation by the Durham police.
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he was not trained upon FERPA requirements, and felt it
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was appropriate to share with another law enforcement
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agency based on past practices.
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some concerns and queried DUPD Major Minnis and Captain
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Raines for guidance after he turned over the report and
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Nevertheless, he had
was advised it was permissible."
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Let's start.
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concerns you had -- or strike that.
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He also stated that
What was the nature of the
Let me ask this.
How did you come to have concerns?
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I'm not -- well, I did -- one, I don't
recall
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the contents exactly of my conversation with Aaron
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and Michael Snellgrove, though I will -- yes, I had --
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concerns developed.
Graves
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Q:
Yeah.
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Why, I couldn't pin it on any particular
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incident or something happening or whatever.
I just --
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after I had given Gottlieb the information, I grew a
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little uneasy with it and asked some questions.
Q:
Now, were you a little uneasy because you
were aware that this was private information?
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It was information -- no.
Because this was
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information I accessed as a police officer on a regular
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basis.
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Q:
Yeah.
Like you access private information
all the time as a police officer, don't you?
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In this particular instance, this
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information, the card reader information regarding
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students or anyone who uses the card system, I access on
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a regular day-to-day -- as an investigator, access on a
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regular day-to-day basis.
Duke's
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Sure.
And if someone walks into your office
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in the beginning of 2006 and said, "Investigator Smith,
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I'd like the key card information on this student," you
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would say, "No, sorry."
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A:
No, you're right, I would.
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Q:
Right.
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although
And that's because you understood
even before this incident that this information,
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you had access to it by virtue of your authority has a
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police officer, was private information.
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And like our reports where I wouldn't
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necessarily give it to Joe Citizen walking in off the
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street, I wasn't necessarily uncomfortable or wrong to
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provide it to another police agency.
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Q:
So you knew it was private, but you thought
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you were maintaining the confidentiality and privacy
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though you were giving it to Gottlieb.
even
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I don't even -- I can't even say I thought
about it on those terms.
Q:
Okay.
But you knew at some level which gave
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rise to this uneasiness that this was sensitive
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information.
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If I could express to you specifically, or
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everybody else specifically, why I grew concerned or
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uncomfortable about it, I would.
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a feeling that maybe I better ask some questions.
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clear
Q:
Okay.
I can't -- it was just
And I just want the record to be
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because I'm not sure it is.
But if someone had walked
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into your office off the street in February of 2006 and
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said, "Officer Smith, please give me the key card
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information for this Duke University student," you would
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have said no.
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A:
I'd ask them, "Who are you," and depending
on
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their answer and their reasons, made a decision.
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Q:
Right.
And if it was just a member of the
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public who said I'm curious, you would not have turned
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over.
it
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I would have referred them to the card
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office.
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Q:
To the guard office.
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Card office.
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Q:
Card office.
But you wouldn't have given
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that information.
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No.
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Q:
Okay.
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It's none of their business.
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Okay.
And why not?
Now, you say that you -- according to
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this, it indicates that you said you weren't trained on
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FERPA requirements, but you were aware that there were
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laws relating to the privacy of this key card
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information, correct?
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A:
I was aware in a very general sense, real
general sense, about FERPA.
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Q:
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Raines.
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Beyond that, no.
Now, you spoke to Major Minnis and Captain
Do you recall when that was?
I don't remember.
My recollection is I
spoke
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to them after I had released the key card information.
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But that's six years after the fact.
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and I don't know.
This may be
correct
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Q:
But it would have --
Well, that's consistence with this, sir,
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because it says, "Nevertheless, he had some concerns and
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queried Major Minnis and Captain Raines for guidance
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after he turned over the report" --
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Okay.
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Q:
-- "and was advised it was permissible."
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I didn't catch that.
In conversation, did you tell them, "I've
turned over this information and I have concerns whether
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I did the right thing"?
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No.
I just asked them in general about
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whether it was -- and -- well, whether we released card
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reader information.
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Q:
And why didn't you tell them?
Were you
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afraid you were going to get in trouble if they knew
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you had turned it over?
that
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Well, at that point, that wasn't even a --
that wasn't even a thought.
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information.
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Q:
I was just seeking
But you made a decision not to tell them
that
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you had turned it over already.
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A:
Yes.
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Q:
Okay.
And what do you recall them telling
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you?
Was it in that conversation that Captain Raines
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told you, well, I've turned it over in the past, key
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information?
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card
Again, all I remember -- with Raines --
let's
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see, I remember -- all I remember is she didn't have a
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problem with it.
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conversation she mentioned that there's been
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conversations since where she's clearly said that.
And it may have been in that
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Q:
Did they ask you why are you asking this
question?
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No.
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Q:
Did you mentioned that this was part of the
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lacrosse situation?
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this and wanted to know whether this would be okay?
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A:
That, Gee, I've been thinking about
I don't recall if I mentioned specifically
the lacrosse incident and the release.
Q:
Okay.
"He also stated that he contacted
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Sergeant Gottlieb and expressed his concern and
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that they obtain a subpoena if they plan to use any
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information derived from the report in court
suggested
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proceedings."
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If you were told it was permissible, why did
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you go ahead and e-mail Gottlieb and tell him you better
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get a subpoena or a court order?
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A:
I didn't e-mail him; I called him.
And I
was
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might
concerned that my giving him the information without a
subpoena or the way I had given him the information
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cause him difficulties in his investigation in using the
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information.
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Q:
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Now, where did that concern come from?
Your
understanding of FERPA?
A:
I was afraid that I had -- at that point I
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came to the -- despite this, I came to a conclusion that
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I had more than likely violated FERPA, and I did not
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whether that would cause a problem for Gottlieb or not,
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so I contacted him and made that suggestion.
know
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Q:
And what did Gottlieb say to you?
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He would obtain a subpoena.
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Q:
So he immediately understood what you were
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saying and realized, yeah, I better get this information
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through a subpoena?
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A:
You know what?
I don't have a clue what
Gottlieb understood or what he didn't understand.
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Q:
Okay.
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All I know is that he eventually did apply
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for a subpoena.
Q:
Now, I'd like to -- keep this Smith 3 in
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front of you, sir, but I'd like to have the court
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reporter mark this document as Smith 4.
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[SMITH EXHIBIT NO. 4 WAS MARKED FOR
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IDENTIFICATION]
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Q:
Now, this is an e-mail from Kemel Dawkins to
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Susan Taylor, copy to Aaron Graves, Denise Evans and
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T3@duke.edu.
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Do you know T3 is Tallman Trask, III?
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A:
I've heard him referred to as that, yes.
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Q:
All right.
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A:
Where?
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Q:
The person who sent this e-mail, Suzanne
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Taylor.
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A:
I don't know who she is.
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Q:
Okay.
And who is Ms. Taylor?
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And this is -- if we look at the
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e-mail, it's dated August 20, 2007.
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"Confidential Memorandum" to Kemel Dawkins from H. Clint
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Davidson, Jr.
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A:
No, I don't.
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Q:
Okay.
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It starts
Do you know who he is, Mr. Davidson?
Let's look at this document.
And it
says, "Question on disciplinary action for Duke police
, User: HIMAN
03/1312007 09:16
Durham Police Department
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Supplements - Case #: 06-0p8310
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Supplemental Case Notes for.
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Sergeant M.D. Gottlieb
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EXHIBIT
EXHIBIT
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I was working off duty at Durham City Hall when I received a call from Inv. B.lones in reference to a case she was handling. She
stated there was a rape reported at 610 N. Buchanan which is in District 2. She received the case on the morning 00/14/06 while on
call. She slated she had very little infonnation on the case due to the victim's condition while she was at Duke ER. She stated the
victim did have a rape kit done while she was at the hospital. She stated the victim had left her a message that she received when she
woke up on the afternoon of3/14/06 around 1400 hours. and was suppose to meet with the victim later that night at 1900, however,
, the victim had gone back to be seen by a doctor again due to medical problems. She stated the victim's boyfriend had contacted her
on the evening and let her know the victim was being seen. and that is why she missed her 1900 hour appointment She stated she
had sel up a new appointment for 1900 hOlifS today (3/15106) and wanted to know if the D.j~trict 2 Investigations wanted to adopt
this case since she had not had a true interview with the victim to this point. I asked if any c~nvass bad been Conducted. a search
warrant done on the crime scene, or identification of any potential suspects had been done up to this point. [explained to Inv. Jones
that District 2 Investigations could take over the case if she needed our assistance, howeyer, ] explained to her it would be in ~J:!e best
interest of the victim to limit the number of interviews of the traumatic event. I advised her we should ftrSt consult with Sgl ~~sler
and see ifshe agreed on this decislon t~ transfer this case to District 2 from the On-Call Team. lfin fact District 2 adopted this case,
Ihe interview for this evening would need to be cancelled and the District 2 Investigator who would be assignei:l in the morning
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would interview the victim then. lnv. Jones stated she would discuss this wilh her Sergeant and get back to me. I told her to give the ~ , ,,~_
victim my pager and office number and have her call me at 8:30am on 3/16106 so we could set up the interview. She agreed.
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1sent out a basic email asking for information on the event from th~ community on the PAC 2 list serve I Trinity Park Websites.
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I had a telephone conversation with Sgt. Fansler concerning this case. She advised me she thought it would be a good idea if District
2 was able to continue with this case. 1 agreed to adopt it. and told her to have Inv. Jones cancel the interview as we discussed
earlier, and to have the victim conlact me in the morning.
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I made contact with Inv. Jones and notified her we would reassign the case to District 2. , asked her to
explain what was going on to the victim as discussed earlier.
can~i'~r appointment and
3/1 6/06 0800
I conducted the morning roll call with the District 2 Investigators. The rape case was assigned to lnv. B. Himan. I asked each
Investigator to ~oordinate with Inv. Himan so that we could obtain as much infonnation as possible during the day.
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I spoke to Crystal Mangum by telephone. She stated she could see us at her home anytime this morning. She stated she lived at 909
Davinci. I advised [nv. Himan of same.
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I received a call from a potential )¥itness who identified himself as Jason Bissey. He stated he lived next door. to 610 N. Buchanan.
ind stated he had heard men at the party yelling racial slurs at the women in the car as they were pulling off to leave. He stated he
was going to call the police earlier in the evening, but didn't as things at 610 N. Buchanan became rowdy. He stated when he saw
the request for infonnation on the PAC site, he knew he needed to call and give the information he knew. I took his name and
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number and told him Iny. Himan. In addition, I gave Mr. Bissey Inv. Himan's contact information and Ihanked him for calling.
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hw_ Soucie and I met with In". Sgt. Gary Smith al Duke Police HQ. He compiled photographs onto a disc of the members of the
Duke Lacrosse Team for line up·s if needed at a later time_ He was also able to provide us with the Duke PO report from that event
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J returned to the station and turned over the information to Inv. Himan.
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Inv Riman lind f went to 909 Davinei St. to meet with the victim. The victim was at home alone wjth~er two young children. The
victim had a very slow gate that was obviously painful while she was walking. Her facial expressions conveyed her pain as she.
ambulated. She moved extremely slow and had difficulty in turning from a direct line. She used the back of the sofa for assistance
as she ambulated to sit down in the living room. The victim had to take time to position herself carefully on the sofa so that her
exterior portion of either hip was making contact with the cushion. Anytime her bottom touched the sofa cushion while
repOSitioning during our visit. she groaned and had a facial expression consistent with pain. The victim made an effort to console
her kids when they would enter the room to see ifshe was ok for a brief minute, but was obviously having difficulty in moving to
ensure them everything was fine. She stated the kids do not know what had happened to her and didn't {
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