PA Advisors, LLC v. Google Inc. et al

Filing 356

MOTION for Summary Judgment of Non-Infringement by Yahoo! Inc.. (Attachments: #1 Text of Proposed Order, #2 Declaration, #3 Exhibit A, #4 Exhibit B, #5 Exhibit C, #6 Exhibit D, #7 Exhibit E)(Doan, Jennifer)

PA Advisors, LLC v. Google Inc. et al

Doc. 356 Att. 6

Exhibit D

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IN THE U . S .

D I S T R I C T COURT FOR THE EASTERN D I S T R I C T OF T E XAS , MARSHALL D I V I S I O N

PA A D V I S O R S , Plain tiff, vs. GOOGLE, INC . , et al., C i v i l D o c k e t No . 2:07 - c v -004 80 -RRR

Def endant.

Was h i n g t o n , Monday , Dece mber 28 ,

D. C . 2 009

The above - e n t i t led matter came on for Pret r i a l Conference, pursuant to Notice. HONORABLE RANDAL L R. RADER, Judge

BEFORE:

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t h e d o c t o r uses as opposed t o t h e common - - t h e l a y person's language that I would use, you would e xp ect to

get mor e s c i e n t i f i c research a r t i c l e s for th e physician a n d m o r e l a y a r t i c l e s f o r me w h e n I d o t h a t s e a r c h . JUDGE RADER : Oka y . Thank you, Mr. Fenst er.

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L e t me a s k a q u e s t i o n a b o u t t h e s p e c i f i c s o f y o u r Does your patent require actions by both the service provider, user, l i k e Yahoo or Google, and a particular

i n my e x a m p l e t h e p h y s i c i a n ? MR. F E N S T E R : Y o u r H o n o r , we h a v e t w o Claim 1

independent claims at issue, Claims 1 and 45.

has one element that requires entering a search query. The exact language from Claim 1, this is in Paragraph

is providing by the user to the local computer system certain JUDGE RADER: go ahead. Thank you. I'm looking at that claim as I ' v e got i t in front of me.

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so you can see,

I'm looking at the patent here. Okay. I see. -- that's the only step out of S o i n P a r a g r a p h C,

MR. F E N S T E R : JUDGE RADER: MR. FEN S T E R :

Claim 1 that requires any action by the user and

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basically that requires entering a search query. Claim 4 5 does not have any similar and i s also performed by the Defendant. JUDGE RADER: s e c ond, i f I may. Okay . L e t me l o o k a t Cl a i m 45 f o r a I lo oked at that. Fenster, I happened to

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As f o r C l a i m 1 , M r .

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a t a f e d e r a l c i r c u i t c a s e t o d a y e n t i t l e d BMC R e s o u r c e s Paymentech. I t requires a l l the steps of any claim that

i s purported to be in French to be performed by a single user. How w o u l d y o u s u r m o u n t P a y m e n t e c h f o r C l a i m MR. F E N S T E R : Yes, Your Honor. Your Honor,

t h e r e i s - - I am f a m i l i a r w i t h t h e c a s e l a w a n d the law does require that a l l steps be performed by a single party, but they are -- they require all substantive steps and there is case law that has been developed, as well, where there is an insubstantial the provision of a browser. Is there such a thing as a

For example,

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substantial or essential or other more important limitation than other limitations in the claim? MR. F E N S T E R : Your Honor, I think that what

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makes a d i s t i n c t i o n between essential claim elements and inessential claim elements. does that. I'm not aware that U.S. law

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Am I m i s s i n g s o m e t h i n g ? MR. F E N S T E R : I -- I think that what the case

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Law p r o v i d e s i n t h e U.S.

is that all of the -- the All of the

essence of this method i s provided.

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computational aspects of t h i s method are performed by Defendant. The only thing t h a t i s provided by the user the search request. provide JUDGE RADER: claim, But i f t h a t ' s a limitation of Am I r i g h t , M r . The - - t h a t i s , the user has to

i t would have to be s a t i s f i e d .

Fenster? MR. F E N S T E R : JUDGE RADER: Paymentech case, Yes, Your Honor.

I -- I noticed that in the

the federal circuit suggested that

claims should be drafted to require a single person to yeah. A s i n g l e performer t o a c t in some way.

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Is i t a drafting problem, Claim 1 that has more than one user? MR. F E N S T E R : Well,

you think,

in your

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the method and the system

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can certainly be drafted to require only a single user, evidence of Claim 45. This Claim 1 could have been

d r a f t e d t h a t way by i n s t e a d of saying providing by a user, receiving from a user. JUDGE RADER: point itself, MR. I think. FENSTER: Yes. W ll, e al l r i g h t. Is th er e off Yes. The Paymentech makes t h a t

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JUDGE RADER :

a n y t h i n g f u r t h e r , Mr . F e n s t e r ? your c o mme n t a r y h e r e . MR . FEN S T E R :

I don't want to c u t

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Go o g l e a n d we

s t a r t e d p e r s o n a l i z i n g Go o g l e b e f o r e Ya h o o a n d t h e h a v e th e va r io u s acc use d p r odu ct s o f a s s erting C l a i m s 1 a n d 4 5 a n d v a r i o u s d e p e n d e n t c l a i ms , T h i s i s a wi l l f u l n e s s c a s e .

a s we l l .

Th e p a t e n t was

prov i de d e a r l y o n t o Goog l e a nd so t h a t w i l l be p a r t of th e case a nd I ca n a nswer a ny ot her q uest io ns , l e a v e i t t here for n o w . JUD GE RAD E R : Al l r ig h t. W ll, e t hank yo u , but I ' l l

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