SCO Grp v. Novell Inc

Filing 852

Proposed Findings of Fact by Novell, Inc.. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit 1, # 2 Exhibit 2)(Brennan, Sterling)

SCO Grp v. Novell Inc

Doc. 852 Att. 2

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Thesecondpointl'dl-iketoturntorwhich'if and we turn to sl-ide Ig in the binder of materials hopefully werII put it on the screen momentarily here. And it is a follow-up of a statement Mr. Jacobs made here today, where he said. the focus of scosource is svRX. And that's really similar t.o a statement which was f iled in Novel-l's memorandum in support of its motion for Summary judgment on its fourth claim, which is, from start to finish, Novell said, sco never claimed scosource had anything to do with sco's UNIX derivative rights and any attempt by SCo to recast scosource now should fail. SotheyarefeelingtheCourtinitspapersand now in open court, that scosource had nothing to do with unixware. That is símply not so. If one turns to what the documents the court will see during this week of it's the trial will- show, and the very next slide December 2oo2 press rel-ease. sco's shared libraries -and it talks about unixware and openserver licensing agreements did not allow those UNIX libraries to be separated from the operating systems. The January 2003 announcement, which talks
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in Linux. In the July 2003 press release, where it says the company also announced it wil-l offer UnixWare licenses to support one-tíme binary use of Linux for al-l- commercial users of Linux based upon certain terms. So the evidence wil-I show that in fact SCOsource, at its inception and throughout remained concerned with technology that was in UnixWare and
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off of a chart which Mr. Jacobs used which tries to draw 1,2 this distinction. It's the chart that was the timeline 13 where on the left-hand side you had SVRX and, on the I4 right-hand side, you had SCO UnixWare. And ít suqgrests l_5 that these are two different universes, that SVRX and SCO 16 UnixWare are somehow distinct and, if you're referring to 1'1 II SVRX¡ you're not incl-uding UnixWare, and vice-versa. 18 The reality is, is that there is not a 19 dichotomy in terms of the technology between UnixWare and ZU System V. UnixWare is System V technology. It is the 21 latest evol-ution of that. It is UnixVüare -- UNIX System 22 V, 4.2 MP. And this dichotomy that Novell- seeks to draw 23 between UnixWare and System V, with respect to the z4 technology, is simply not the case. And that's shown, for example, by documents such as Novel-l I s own sales
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talk about the System V license in the context of SCOsource, that doesnrt mean something other than 9 UnixWare, that includes UnixWare. And that will be 10 important as we look at the fact that UnixWare has within 11 it the critical- System V technology, and SCO obtained the right to license that technol-ogy and do other things with 12 13 that technology with third parties through the Sun I4 agreement, the Microsoft agreement and the SCOsource
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for the I1 purposes of the APA, what is the value on the SVRX 1B rightsr âs defined in the APA, for that portion on which 19 that has to f low through to Novel-l-. 20 Now, if f can put that and let me, before 2I leaving that issue, refer to a couple of the documents aa LL that Mr. Jacobs referred to. He refers to a letter that 23 was sent out to a lot of people with respect to SCOsource .A ¿¿) lj-censing and it talked about are UNIX System V, but that 25 does not exclude UnixWare, which is part of System V
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for those products, therefore Noveff is entitled only to a de minimus royalty with respect to its residual rights. THE COURT: Thank you, Mr. Singer. You may call- your first witness. MR. JACOBS: We do, Your Honor. We call Mr. Joe LaSala. THE COURT: Come forward and be sworn, please right up here in front of the cl-erk of the Court.
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the witness hereinbefore named, being first 11 duty cautioned and sworn or affirmed to teII the truth, I2 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, was examined 13 and testified as follows: t4 THB CLERK: Please state your name and spell it 15 for the record. L6 THE WITNESS: My name is Joseph A. LaSaIa, Jr. I1 My last name is spelled L-a, capital S-a-l--a.
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O. Good morning, Mr. LaSal-a. Coul-d you briefly introduce yourself and your background to the Court. A. Yes. Good morninq. My name is Joe LaSal-a. I was the general counsel- at Novel-l- from July of 2001
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WeIl¡ âs qeneral counsel of the company, I was 11 made aware of virtually all of the important activities j-n connection with the litigation and in connection with T2 13 SCOrs launch of the SCOsource campaiqn, our company's T4 reaction to that, the various public and private 15 communications that occurred between the companies at the 16 time and the enqagement of counsel and overall the 1,1 strategy with respect to our company's response to those 1B activities. 1_9 O. Could you look at the first exhibit in your 20 binder, please, NovelI ExhibÍt 2I5? 2t A. Yes. 22 O. What is that? 23 A. This is a June 24, 2003 Ietter from me to .A z1] Mr. McBride, and I thlnk it. constitutes one of the first 25 letters that NoveIl sent to SCO, and the principal
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But, really, the let"ter was a combination of events of the past or previous six months or sor where we had come to a -- we had concerns that what SCO was doing
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Exhibit 220 is a letter dated JuIy II, 2003, from Mr. Mike Brady, who is an employee at 10 NovelI who, at the time, ran the contract management 11 group, to the CFO of SCO, Mr. Robert Bench, advising L2 13 Mr. Bench of two things. First, that it had been more any I4 than six months since Novell had received its royalty reports or royalty payments from sco and that we 15 L6 were demanding that we receive those payments and reports I7 in a manner consistent with the Asset Purchase Aqreement which, T think, required that they be provided quarterly. 1B And the second thing that t.he letter does is it 1,9 20 notifies SCO that Novell intended to conduct an audit of 21 SCO concerning the royalties and other payments due under aa the SVRX licenses and the Asset Purchase Aqreement. So the letters served those two purposes. 23 24 O. Did you work with with Mr. Brady on the transmittal of this Ietter?
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the request the demand for an audit, and in this Ietter, he notifies NoveII that paSrment, current payment 11 L2 due to Novell, has been or is being made. He references or excuse 13 that Novell was withholding its payments to SCO was withholding payments to Novell based upon L4 me 15 review that SCO was conductinq on NovelI's activities I6 with respect to our Lj-nux announcements and that they T1 were evaluating the scope of Novel-l's Linux-related ,Lõ activities for compliance. And they also notified -- the l-etter also L9 ZV notifies Mr. Bready that SCO reserves the right to 2I further withhold royalty payments owed to NovelI in íts 22 discretion if it believes that Novell is violating its 23 obtigations under the Asset Purchase Agreement. .A LN O. What was your reaction when you read this
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A. WelI, somewhere between furious and bemused guess I would say it that way. O. why? A. Vüell, furious because, in our víew, SCO was a fiduciary to Novell and had a duty and an obligation to collect those royalty payments and to pass them through to Novel-I. Plain and simple. It didn't have any right in the an Asset Purchase Agreement or anywhere eJ-se, under any rule or l-aw that Irm familiar with, to offset or withhold payments due to Novell, for any reason/ and so the assertion that SCO was withholding payments, pending its review of Novel-I's Linux-related activities was absurd on íts facer âs far as we were concerned. And it was somewhat frustrating butr âs I say somewhat amusing as well- because we thought it was totally without foundation. O. Could you turn to the next exhibit, 234? A. Yes. O. What is Novell Exhibit 234? A. This is a letter from me to Mr. McBride dated August J | 2003, where I essentialJ-y conveyed to Mr. McBride, Novellts position with regard to Mr. Bench's assertion in the previous l-etter, those that I just outl-ined for voü¡ and pointed out to Mr. McBride that, you know, SCO was without any right or foundation to
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A. Yes, rt is. ftrs dated February 5, the next 3 day after the February 4 letter from Mr. Bready. And 4 this letter outlines various -- makes several points to 5 Novell from SCO. The first was that it expresses SCO's 6 view that many of the questions that were asked in the 1 November 21, l-etter were outside the scope of Novell's audit rights. It asserts that the scope of the other points and questions raised in the body of the Novenlcer 9 10 2I letter were the resul-t of cooperation that we 11 allegedly had entered into with IBM in the course of this L2 Iitigation with SCO and then proceeds to respond, with 13 some specificity, to a couple of the points that were I4 raised in Mr. Breadyrs November 2I letter. 15 Essentially, Mr. Tibbitts is telling us that I6 whatever rights Novell may have under Section 4.16 of the I'7 Asset Purchase Agreement, with respect to the revenue 1B stream from the SVRX l-icenses that were in existence at L9 the time of the APA, those rights do not extend, he says, 20 to either the Sun or the Microsoft agreements. And he 2I cal-l-s the Sun agreement a new contract, and he cal-Is the 22 Mj-crosoft agreement a new agreement not covered by the APA in this l-etter. 24 O. And then, what was his response on intellectual .E property licenses for Linux? LJ
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Now, in this letter you al-so cc'd the Senior

Vice President and General Counsel at Sun Microsystems? B A. I did. And in the last paragraph of the 9 letter, I notified Mr. Tibbitts that we would be doing 10 that, and, of courser orr its facer we have done that. 11 And we also separately corresponded with Sun, advising I2 them of our point of view on these matters and requesting l-3 that Sun might be able to cooperate with us and provide t4 us a copy of the Sun/SCo aqreement. 15 O. And then, in the last paragraph of this letter, 76 you say -- you refer to putting Sun on notice of potential issues? r'7
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open source technology. And the fact that Sun would take upon itself open source its Sol-aris operating system caused us
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Did you ever receive a response to your November 7J, 2004 letter to Novel-l, Exhibit 3I1?

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Sun and

So, over the

and then, àL some point, the

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Microsoft agreements are produced in discovery. That happens. I'Il- just set the chronology. That happens in the winter of 2006. So, rlp until that point, did SCO ever comply with your request under these letters that it supply NoveII with the Sun and Microsoft
agreements?
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aqreements?
No.

O. Did SCO ever tell you in any communications 9 outside litigation pleadings in the last year and a half 1_0 or sor that its theory was: These aqreements were not 11 SVRX ficenses as to which it owed you a payment I2 obligation because the SVRX h/as only incidental?
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MR. JACOBS: Thank you very much, Mr. LaSala.

Are you going to offer 31-7? MR. JACOBS: Yes, Your Honor, 377, please.
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Good morning, Mr. LaSala.
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Good morning,.

O. You had testified about the June 24, 2001 3 Ietter that you wrote Mr. McBride which has been 4 introduced as Exhibit 2L5, the first exhibit you were 5 asked about this morning. Do you recall that? 6 A. Yes. 1 O. Is it true, though, that you were aware of SCO!s plans to enqage in what we have referred to as 9 SCOsource licensing goíng back into late 2002? 10 A. I don't think my awareness went back quite that 11 far. Certainfy not by the name of SCOsource. 1"2 O. Well-, maybe not by the name of SCOsource, but 13 do you recall that{ in late 2002, there were 74 conversations between representatives of SCO and 15 representatives of Novell that -- where SCO indicated its 16 interest in l-icensing UNIX technology for use in Linux? I1 A. Yes. I'm aware of those conversations. 1B O. Okay. And, at any time between those L9 conversations and late 2002, and June 24, 2003, did you, ZV as general counsel, ever directly or by directing others, 2L tell SCO that it could not enqage in SCOsource
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And

unlike the prior releases, this press release,
been

Exhibit l'73, was actually released to the public; right? ï dontt recall if the previous one had also I
know we

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released or not.

briefed analysts and so on about

the concepts in the previous release, but I know that this
press release was released.

O.

And we can take

a look at the highlighted portion
SCOsource.

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Again, when

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2003? ,-Tanuary

me.

2003. You told the public

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SCO's

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UNIX source

date back to :-969 when Bel1 Laboratories created

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code.

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the licensing of this software

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technology.
Correct?

A.

Yes. And basically v/e're saying wetre providing
UNIX
SCO had

licenses of SCOrs intellectual property including our

intellectual property as well as other patents that

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related to other technologies within the O. A. O. A. O. A. O. A.
UnixWare

company.

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And that technology dates back to Bel1 Laboratories

in l-969; correct?
Not all of the technology.

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But
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some

of it does; correct?

And that was with SCOsource?
Yes.

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SCOsource program; correct?

WeIl, in general \^re were licensing the most recent licenses, source code UnixWare licenses as well
who were concerned about
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developing an intellectual property licensing program related

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intellectual property

issues with their use of I-.,inux, such as the runtime libraries
and OpenServer UNIX.

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But you wanted to mine this entire body of
That was my understanding of the intellectual

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intellectual property; right? That was the pIan.
property body that we had rights to license.
Going back to L969; right?

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Correct
And this was what you hoped you would make millions

of dollars licensing; correct?
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Vüell, mostly around the latest versions of the

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the buildup and legacy of that intellectual property

and

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library. O.
No\n/,

if you take a look
L73.

1et me go back, I'm

sorry, to Exhibit L73.
Under
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SCO System

V for l-,inux. Do you see that?

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SCO's UnixVüare and OpenServer
UNIX

.Tanuary

of

2003:

In the past

license agreements did not allow these libraries to be used outside of
systems.

SCO's operating

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announcemenL, customers can nor,tt run

Lhese libraries from SCO for use with Linux without

having to license the entire
Correct?

SCO

operating system.

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Yes.

So that means you get access to this core UNIX
SCO

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Mr. Acker, paraphrasing, whether, to your understanding, SCO had the right to Iicense the prior System V products with the UnixWare Iicense. Do you recall that question? A. Yes. O. Mr. Sontag, I want to show you language from, again, amendment 1 to the APA, which provides as follows: Buyer, Santa Cruz, shall have the right to enter into amendments of the SVRX licenses as may be incidentally invofved through its rights to sell and license UnixVüare software.
You were asked by

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your tenure at
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incidentally A. that right.

to licensing UnixWare? that
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this language earlier, Mr. Sontag -- well, the first paragraph, the letter in which Mr. Luehs, I think it is, says that the aqreement between santa cruz and Novell requires prior written approvar from Novell for all new aqreements or changes to current agreements relating to System V. Do you see that language? A. Yes. O. Is it your understanding that if Santa Cruz was executing a unixware license that it dídn't need to get Novell's approval to license SVRX materi-al with that O.
You were shown UnixWare l-icense?

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correct
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Now, this document is dated \Lay 20, 1996,
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O. This is a letter from Novefl three days later, May 23, 1996, in which Novel_l says that it has transferred to sco NovelI's existing ownership interest in uNrX system-based offerings and related products. Do you see that Ianguage? A. Yes. O. Was it your understandinq, during your tenure at SCO/ that SCO could license UnixWare however it
wanted? lB1

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O. You were asked about the Microsoft aqreement. Do you recal-l that? A. Yes. O. And, aqain, in sutnmary/ can you tell- me how it came to be that you ended up in negotiations with Microsoft reqarding that ag,reement? A. In early 2003r wê came in contact with Microsoft representatives who were interested in pursuing a possible l-icense to unixware technologies to use in some of their, what they cal_l_ed UNIX-compatibitity products within Microsoft windows. rt started a set of negotiations that occurred through the earry part of 2003 culminating in the UnixWare Iicense agreement with Microsoft. O. Now, in the time leading up to the beginning of those negotiations, had sco made any public statements or assertions that there was any sco rp in any Microsoft
products
?

I believe there had been some, you know, broad discussíon that there might be rp issues, and not only in
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under its standard commercial Iicense for UnixVrTare, whether SCO licensed prior System V products?
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f know that in the UnixWare source code aqreement that was provided, up until the most recent versions of the unixware source code agreement, that the prior versions were specificalry listed. rn the most recent version of the unixware license, that was omitted only for the purpose of reducing the size of the agreement, but my understanding is that it was stitl provided to a customer if they requested it, and it was ímplicitly included. O.
was
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A.

Do you have an understanding as

to why that

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UnixWare.
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a series of agreements towards the end of Mr. Acker's questions, and I think we can safely lump those together and call them SCOsource O.
You were shown

agreements. Do you recal_l- doing that?

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Yes. How

did you come about arriving at a price for

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these SCOsource agreements?

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UnixWare.

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UnixWare

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price list than I was. Now, was there any source code given to a under a SCOsource license? No, there was not. Coufd you describe, to the best of your vi_ew, license was in the SCOsource license? It was primarily a release, aspects of a not to sue and a Unixware license and SCO Ip
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A. O. Licenses for purposes of stock keeping? No. They were a separate package and agreement
SKU.

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THE COURT: Good morning.

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call your next witness. Yes, Your Honor. William

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WILLTAM BRODERICK,

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Wil-liam Broderick

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Good morninq, Good morning

Mr. Broderick.

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Group?

What is your current position with the

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I'm the Director of Software Licensing. O. And how long have you held that position? A. Since with SCO, since Cal-dera bought the business from the Santa Cruz Operation. O. And could you briefly describe your responsibilities in that position? A. I'm responsíbl-e for all contract and l_icensing activities. O. And how J-ong have you had those responsibilities at SCO? A. Since I moved over to SCO from the Santa Cruz
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did you do at Santa Cruz? L6 I did contracts and licensing. I1 O. How did your responsibilities there compare to your responsibil-ities at SCO? 1B I9 A. They are exactly the same. f just continued to 2o do the same work with the same people. 27 O. And whaL did you do before you were at Santa
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f was at Novel].
And what r^rere your responsibilities at Novell?

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At NoveJ-l,

when

Novell first merqed or bought
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the UNIX business from USL, I was Manager of Sales Operations, but it was a month or two after Novelt bought us, I moved to the contracts grouþ, and then f was the contracts manager.
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And what I^/ere your responsì-bilities at

NovellA

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Contracts and Iicensing of the UNIX business.

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did you do before you went to Novel]? I was at the UNIX Systems Labs. Vühat did you do there?
Vrlhat

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I was Manager of Sales Operations.
And what were your responsibilities there?

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sol-ve those.

O. How have your responsibilities in all t.hose positions pertained to UNIX? L9 20 A. It was all UNIX. 27 Why is that? O. ')) A. Well_ UNIX System Laboratory owned the UNIX 23 technology and the business, and when they merqed with 24 Novell, Novell bought that business from Santa Cruz, and 25 we worked in Novell-'s
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to the UNIX Group? What happened to the UNIX Group? The UNIX Group, I thínk in its entj-rety,
What happened

went

to Santa Crvz. 13 O. How did your responsibilities chanqe, Lf at I4 all, when you went from Novell to Santa Cruz? 15 A. Santa Cruz was doing at that timer we were T6 doing more of the packaged product, the binary business, L1 so we \^/ere working with not only oEMs that were licensing 1B source code, but we were dealing with distributors, a lot 1,9 of resellers of the packaged products, and we were doing 20 aqreements f or those al-so. 27 O. What are OEMs? 22 A. OEMs are original equipment manufacturers. 23 They are the computer manufacturers, Hewlett-packard,
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all, upon that name change? T2 A. Not at all-. But there was a period f rom 13 Augustt 2002t until ApriJ_ of 2003 where I wasn't an 1"4 employee of Santa Cruz, f went to another company/ but I 15 continued to do consulting with sc], on the contracts, but I6 essentially my responsibilities changed not at aIl. 11 O. You mentioned OEMs earlier. What kind of fees 1-8 or payments did OEMs make for the UNIX products that you
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to the next page. Signed by Lou

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Yes.
How does

that language compare to your 5 understanding of what Santa Cruz was going to be doing in 6 the transition? 1 A. WeIl_, ì-n the transition, alt documents went ö from Novel-l- to Santa Cruz. We kept all of our computers. 9 ltüe had al-] of the agreements in word processing on our 1_0 computers, and all we did was go in and do a global 11 change, Novell to Santa Cruz 72 O. I wonrt read those out loud, Mr. Broderick. 13 You can see them. How do those directives from 74 Mr. Ackerman compare to your understanding of what was to 15 be done on the transition? I6 A. AgaJ-n, ít was the same idea. We had a UnixWare L1 2.0 schedul-e with Novell, with NoveII's name in it, and 1B \^/e did a global change with the name from Novel-t to santa 79 Cruz and changed nothing eIse. 20 O. Do you recogníze this document, Mr. Broderick, 2I SCO Exhibit 1I? 22 A. Yes. 23 O. What is the document? 24 A. f trs amendment number l_ to the Asset purchase
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Agreement.
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If we couJ-d go to page 6. This is the Z J-anguage, Mr. Broderick, in which the parties state that 3 buyer shal-l have the right to enter into amendments of 4 the SVRX licenses as may be incidentally involved to its 5 rights to sel-1 and license UnixWare software. 6 Do you see this language? 1 A. Yes. I 0. This provision qoes on to state that buyer 9 shall- not shall have no right to enter into new SVRX 10 licenses, except in the situation specified in littte I'i'r 11 of the preceeding sentence or as otherwise approved L2 Do you see that J_anguage? 13 A. Yes. T4 O. Do you recall discussing this language during 15 the transition period from Novel-I to Santa Cruz?
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Iiüell, ín the transitlon team, we were told that Novell- was selling the business, butr âs part of the purchase price, they \^/ere goíng to get the onqoing stream of royalties for what was defined as the SVRX products that \^/ere transferred from Santa Cruz to Novell. We coul-dn't do anything that jeopardized that revenue stream. It was essentially money in the bank for Novell. .And we couldn't enter into new licenses for the
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products. And what that meant was -- what they didn't want Santa Cruz to do was you had a licensee who had an svRX product from Noverr. what we courdn't do is go to that l-ícensee and say: you know, you're paying a hundred-dotlar-royalty-per-copy fee. If you execute a new l-icense with us, Santa Cruz, we'l_J_ charge you a
SVRX

$50-per-copy fee.
We

couldntt do anything that took away that 9 royalty stream that Novel] \^/as to get. What they said is 10 but we could ]icense the svRX incidentarty. And we said: WeIl, what's "incidentally?" I2 And they said: Well_, the major part of this, 13 if you take a 1ook, if you license the source code, the 14 source code license fees, from when they first started 15 being used,. always incl_uded prior products of the Iegacy 76 products. You wiII continue to use those same types of I1 l-icenses. You'11 continue to include that legacy prior products. And that's an example of an incidental- right 1B L9 O. Arrd did, in fact, Santa Cruz continue to 20 license prior products with its UnixWare l_icenses? 2L A. Yes, h/e did, because what we did is we changed 22 the name from Novel-l to Santa Cruz. The rest of the 23 l-icense was to remain the same, and the licenses had 24 prior products, and it's the way source code was licensed 25 from the early 'BOrs.
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this transition period completed? I believe we became Santa Cruz employees on February 1, r96. 0. Do you recognize this document, SCO Exhibit i-4It Mr. Broderick? O. A.
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O. And could you describe what the document is. A. Itf s aqain, it's a suppJ_ement licensing order form, NCR corporation, l-icensed unixware 2.r source
code from SEL, Santa Cruz.

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O. And if we go to page 24. And do you recognize T2 this part of the document, Mr. Broderick? 13 A. Yes. I4 O. And what is it? 15 A. Ttrs the listing of the prior products where we granted rights to access the legacy products that T6 1-1 UnixWare was ultimately built on. 1B O. What supplement number ís this, Mr. Broderick? I9 A. r72.
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And have you had occasion to go back and

consider some of the other types of supplements that predated this supplement?

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A. In my 15 years of doing lì_censing, I'm awa¡e of how the supplements are numbered, how they worked O. Specifically to NCR, have you had occasion to
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So

with respect to, sây, the libraries just as

an

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example, the traditional tlpe of UnixWare license would allow you to use those libraries in what context?

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LINIX

V'Iell, you would use those libraries on a Linux

deployment for those customers that were trying to migrate

applications to Linux. So they would purchase a license
UNIX

in order to run those Linux -- those applications, applications on Linux. O. the
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source li-cense? Correct.
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UnixWare

license, would that be allowed?
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No.

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again, you couldn't unbundle the
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technology. And so that's why we developed the

I believe you characterized these agreements in that always your understanding of the
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licenses.
agreements?

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SCO

Yes.

I'd like to

show

you what's been marked as
be

Exhibít 236. And again, it's in your binder and willDo you recognize SCO

on the screen in a moment.

Exhibit

236? s60

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Yes.

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regard.ing UNIX and our copyrights and so forth.

And again, ürere you involved j-n issuing these press

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releases or creating or reviewing these press l-eases?

Primarily reviewing the press releases for content. I'd lj-ke to
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Did not author every word of the documents, no.

in on the bottom third of the

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press release that begins: Following the distribution of our letter.

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Uh-huh (affirmative)
And press release quotes Mr. McBride saying: Today we're

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customers regarding what they should do.

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respected. and paid for by corporations who use it
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commercial benefits.

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way.

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Is that an accurate reading?
And does the language of that press release, is

that. consistent with your recollection that you had always
termed this UnixV,Iare license?

A.

Yes, absolutely. The SCOsource program was all
UnixWare
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Iicense.

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Now, Mr. Hunsaker, you had

testified

weII, I

think you said it was UnixVüare license. It was different from the traditional
UnixVùare license. Can you elaborate on the

specific difference between the UnixWare license, traditional
UnixVüare license and

the

SCOsource UnixT¡üare license?

A. tradit.ional other
SCO

WeII, one is the target audience, I mean, for the
UnixT¡,Iare

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license, it was sold to
SCO

SCO

customers and

customers and new

customers that we wanted to
on

run our UnixWare technology on, our OpenServer technology

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their hardware. And it included a packaged product. It
incl-uded a manual .

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It included CDs. It incl-uded
and

registration, cards. It included a license agreement. And so it was physicalfy a packaged product that was delivered installed and it was ready to use. IP license, while it's based on the same technology of Unj-xWare, j-t was focussed
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for Linux customers that just wanted to be made clean and one
against ensured them that we $/ere not going to sue them.
And

it didn't

hawe anything

to insta11. There was nothing

physical to it.

ft was simply a license that allowed them to

run this in that instance. There hras no manual or other
t.hings that Irve talked about.

a.

l,et

me

direct you to Novell, what wetve marked as

Novell Exhibit 227. And if you'11 briefly review that.
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Do you recognj-ze

this

document?

A. O.
exchanges

Yes.

And the document appears to be a series of e-mail

that involved either you sending or receiving
Correct.
Could you turn to Page 2, please, of the document,

e-mails?

A. a.

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Novel1 227. And I'd like to focus j-n on the e-mail that you

sent on ,Ju1y 3l-st of '03. Do you see that second half of the
page?

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And if you can specifically look at the line that
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begíns, Item
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You were

the author of this e-mail?
Yes.

Yes. It says my name.
The official
name

And, Mr. Hunsaker, you wrote on .Iu1y 3l-st of t03:

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UNIX

IP compliance license program. This is
SKU.

not a UnixWare 7.1.3
A. Yes.

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Mr. Hunsaker whatts an SKU?
SKU

or

SKU

is. defined as a stock keeping unit.

ftrs

more

of a manufacturing operational term designed to

categorize or name a particular product. ft's a unique
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