Viacom International, Inc. v. Youtube, Inc.

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APPENDIX, on behalf of Appellant Black Entertainment Television, LLC, Comedy Partners, Country Music Television, Inc., Paramount Pictures Corporation and Viacom International, Inc., FILED. Service date 12/10/2010 by CM/ECF. [165098] [10-3270]

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SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 127 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:34:04 12:34:07 12:34:09 12:34:12 12:34:15 12:34:19 12:34:24 12:34:31 12:34:39 12:34:45 12:34:50 12:34:54 12:34:57 12:35:04 12:35:07 12:35:12 12:35:14 12:35:21 12:35:22 12:35:26 12:35:29 12:35:33 12:35:38 12:35:45 A-801 S C O T T R O E SC H that, what that process looked like? A. Q. U h - h u h. Let's start with the end user perspective. How did it look like from the user sitting at t h e i r - - th e i r c o m p u t e r ? A. T h e u se r w o u l d v i s i t t h e u p l o a d p a g e o n A d d i c t i n g Cl i p s a n d w o u l d s e l e ct a f i l e t o u p l o a d f r o m t h e i r h a r d d r i v e , w o u l d en t e r s o m e t e x t a s s o c i a t e d w i t h t h e v i d e o f i l e, a t i t l e a n d a d e s c r i p t i on , a n d t h e y w o u l d c li c k " U p l o a d . " A n d I b e l ie v e t h e r e w a s a s t a tu s i n d i c a t o r t h a t i n d i ca t e d t h e v i d e o w a s in t h e p r o c e s s o f u p l o a d i n g , a f t e r w h i c h t h e y w er e t a k e n t o a - - s o me k i n d o f a c o n f i r m a t i o n p a g e , or p o s s i b l y i t w a s a - a profile page. Q. I d o n ' t r e c a ll w h i c h . W a s a u s e r r e q u i r e d t o h av e a r e g i s t e r e d a c c o u n t w it h A d d i c t i n g C l i p s p ri o r t o t h a t u p l o a d process? A. Y e s , an d - - a n d t h e e x h i bi t - - t h e f l o w t h a t I j u st d e s c r i b e d w a s i n th e e v e n t t h a t a u s e r h a d p r e v i ou s l y r e g i s t e r e d . Q. What, specifically, was a user prompted to You indicated, I e n t e r a b o ut t h e v i d e o f o r u p l oa d ? b e l i e v e , ti t l e a n d t a g s ? DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 128 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:35:49 12:35:50 12:35:52 12:35:53 12:35:53 12:35:57 12:35:58 12:36:01 12:36:02 12:36:04 12:36:06 12:36:06 12:37:08 12:37:12 12:37:17 12:37:18 12:37:21 12:37:22 12:37:23 12:38:00 12:38:04 12:38:10 12:38:12 12:38:17 A-802 S C O T T R O E SC H M R . W I L K E NS : Was there a time period that y o u ' r e a s ki n g a b o u t i n p a r t i c ul a r ? B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A. A t l a un c h . I b e l ie v e I i n d i c a t e d t i tl e a n d W o u l d y o u l i k e -- I c o u l d - - i f I d e s c r i p t i on . c o u l d r e f re s h m y m e m o r y . Q. A. Q. Sure. T a g s ma y h a v e b e e n o n t h er e . W h i c h e x h i b i t a r e y o u r e fe r r i n g t o , M r . R o e s c h? A. I ' m g oi n g t o l o o k t h r o u g h E x h i b i t 1 9 . Y e s , I b e li e v e t a g s w e r e a n o t he r p i e c e o f i n f o r m a t i on e n t e r e d i n o r d e r to r e m e m b e r m o r e o r o t h e r t y p es o f i n f o r m a t i o n . I ' m g o i n g t o l o o k a t E x h i b i t 20 . Q. A. Q. A. Okay. I f I ma y c o n t i n u e ? Please do. Okay. I -- based this on information in E x h i b i t 2 0, a n d w h i c h s t r i k e s m e a s a n a c c u r a t e r e p r e s e n t at i o n o f t h e - - o f w ha t e n d e d u p o n t h e p a g e , u s e rs w e r e a s k e d f o r t i tl e , d e s c r i p t i o n , t a gs , a n d t h e y we r e a b l e t o s e l e c t on e t o t h r e e c h a n n e l s DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 129 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:38:21 12:38:24 12:38:25 12:38:29 12:38:33 12:38:34 12:38:37 12:38:37 12:38:40 12:38:44 12:38:48 12:38:52 12:39:03 12:39:05 12:39:08 12:39:11 12:39:23 12:39:26 12:39:30 12:39:35 12:39:40 12:39:43 12:39:46 12:39:49 A-803 S C O T T R O E SC H f r o m a p r ed e f i n e d l i s t o f c h a nn e l s t h a t w o u l d f i t t h e i r c o n te n t . Q. 01049197? A. Q. A. Q. ( N o a ud i b l e r e s p o n s e . ) W h i c h i s t h e f i f t h p a g e of t h i s E x h i b i t ? Yes. If you turn back one page to the fourth T u r n b a c k t w o p a g e s t o t h e t h ir d A r e y ou l o o k i n g a t t h e b ot t o m o f p a g e V I A p a g e - - p ar d o n m e . page. I s th a t t h e l i s t o f c h an n e l s , a t t h e b o t t o m, f r o m w h i c h t h e u p l o a d e r h a d a n o p p o r t u n i t y t o c h o os e o n e t o t h re e t o a s s o c i a t e w i t h t h e i r v i d e o ? A. I b e l ie v e s o . I'm not 100 percent sure i f - - i f it - - i f a l l o f t h e s e c a t e g o r i e s m a d e i t o n t o t h e si t e . A n d i t ' s p o s s ib l e t h a t o t h e r s w e r e added, but this -- it's close. Q. D i d t he A d d i c t i n g C l i p s t er m s o f s e r v i c e a t this time permit it to remove content from its service? A. Q. Yes. D i d t he A d d i c t i n g C l i p s t er m s o f s e r v i c e a t this time prohibit the upload of material that infringed copyright? A. Yes. DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 130 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:39:51 12:39:54 12:39:57 12:40:03 12:40:06 12:40:07 12:40:07 12:40:08 12:40:08 12:40:09 12:40:12 12:40:15 12:40:21 12:40:35 12:40:39 12:40:41 12:40:43 12:40:47 12:40:51 12:40:55 12:40:59 12:41:07 12:41:13 12:41:16 A-804 S C O T T R O E SC H Q. D i d t he A d d i c t i n g C l i p s t er m s o f s e r v i c e a t this time grant AddictingClips license to the c o n t e n t t ha t w a s b e i n g u p l o a d ed b y u s e r s ? A. Yes. T H E R E P O R TE R : T H E W I T N E SS : T H E R E P O R TE R : T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. D i d t he t e r m s o f s e r v i c e a t t h i s t i m e g i v e Was that a "yes" -Yes. -- or a "no"? Yes. A d d i c t i n g Cl i p s t h e r i g h t t o s ub l i c e n s e t h e c l i p s b e i n g u p l oa d e d b y u s e r s ? A. Q. I d o n 't r e c a l l . D i d A dd i c t i n g C l i p s t r a n s co d e t h e v i d e o s that were uploaded by users? A. Q. A. Yes. W h a t do e s " t r a n s c o d e " m e an ? M y u n de r s t a n d i n g i s t h a t i t m e a n s t a k i n g a d i g i t a l v id e o f i l e a n d c o n v e r ti n g i t i n t o a - - y o u k n o w , a n o th e r , o r o t h e r f o r m s o f d i g i t a l v i d e o f o r p l a y b a c k to t h e e n d u s e r . Q. pardon me. F o l l o wi n g t h e t r a n s c o d i n g o f a v i d e o b y - F o l l o w i n g t h e t r a ns c o d i n g o f a v i d e o t h a t h a d be e n u p l o a d e d b y a n en d u s e r , d o y o u k n o w DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 131 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:41:18 12:41:21 12:41:22 12:41:28 12:41:32 12:41:32 12:41:40 12:41:44 12:41:47 12:41:50 12:41:52 12:42:00 12:42:03 12:42:08 12:42:13 12:42:14 12:42:20 12:42:27 12:42:29 12:42:31 12:42:34 12:42:38 12:42:42 12:42:43 A-805 S C O T T R O E SC H w h a t h a p p en s t o t h e o r i g i n a l vi d e o t h a t w a s uploaded? A. I b e l ie v e t h a t i t w a s a r ch i v e d o r s t o r e d a t R e a l i t y D i g i t a l o r a t h i r d p a r t y I h a d c o n t r a c te d with. Q. A. D o y o u k n o w w h y i t w a s a rc h i v e d o r s t o r e d ? I n c a se t h e o r i g i n a l v i d eo f i l e n e e d e d t o b e r e t r i e ve d l a t e r . Q. W h y w ou l d t h e o r i g i n a l v id e o f i l e n e e d t o b e r e t r i e ve d l a t e r ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : Objection to the form. The -- you know, in the -- t h e p r o c e ss o f t r a n s c o d i n g s o me t i m e s w o u l d f a i l , an d t h a t t h e vi d e o w o u l d n e e d t o be r e - e n c o d e d . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. D o y o u k n o w h o w m a n y c o p ie s o f t h e e n c o d e d f i l e w e r e m a d e d u r i n g t h e t r a ns c o d i n g p r o c e s s ? A. H o w m an y c o p i e s o f o n e f il e w e r e made, such as one -Q. Y e s , in t h e c o n t e x t o f t he - - o f t h e u p l o a d o f o n e v i d e o , i n t h e p ro c e s s o f t h e e n c o d i ng o f t h a t v id e o - - p a r d o n m e - - t h e t r a n s c o d i n g o f that video -A. U h - h u h. DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 132 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:42:44 12:42:45 12:42:48 12:42:48 12:42:50 12:42:51 12:42:55 12:42:55 12:43:01 12:43:04 12:43:05 12:43:13 12:43:14 12:43:16 12:43:16 12:43:19 12:43:24 12:43:26 12:43:27 12:43:31 12:43:33 12:43:35 12:43:38 12:43:41 A-806 SCOTT ROESCH Q. - - d o y o u k n o w ho w m a n y c o p i e s r e su l t e d from that transcoding process? A. Q. No. C o u l d i t h a v e b ee n m o r e t h a n o n e ? MR. WILKENS: THE WITNESS: BY MR. RUBIN: Q. D i d A d d i c t i n g C l ip s u s e r s i n s t r u ct O b j e c t io n t o t h e f o r m . Yes. A d d i c t i n g C l i p s t o t r an s c o d e t h e v i de o s t h e y w e r e uploading? MR. WILKENS: THE WITNESS: it. BY MR. RUBIN: Q. A. W h a t l e a d s y o u to b e l i e v e t h a t ? I b e l i e v e t h e t er m s o f s e r v i c e g a ve - O b j e c t io n t o t h e f o r m . I b e l i ev e t h e y a u t h o r i ze d give us the right to do that to files that we received. Q. D o y o u b e l i e v e th e t e r m s o f s e r v i ce u s e d the word "transcode"? A. Q. I d o n ' t k n o w i f t h e y u s e d t h a t w o rd . I f t h e y d i d n ' t us e t h a t w o r d , b u t u s e d s o m e t h i n g m o r e g e n e r al , d o y o u t h i n k i t w o u l d s t i l l a u t h o r i z e t h e t r a n s c od i n g ? DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 133 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:43:44 12:43:45 12:43:47 12:44:04 12:44:04 12:44:07 12:44:10 12:44:15 12:44:17 12:44:21 12:44:24 12:44:41 12:44:44 12:44:45 12:44:45 12:44:59 12:45:00 12:45:02 12:45:12 12:45:17 12:45:20 12:45:22 12:45:39 12:45:41 A-807 S C O T T R O E SC H M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : language. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. D i d A dd i c t i n g C l i p s a u t h o ri z e t h e c o p y i n g Objection to the form. I'd have to look at the o f t h e v i de o s t o t h i r d p a r t i e s, s u c h a s t h e s t r e a m i n g p r o v i d e r y o u d e s c r i be d e a r l i e r ? A. I b e l ie v e t h a t w a s a u t h o ri z e d i n t h e t e r m s o f s e r v i c e. Q. A. Do you know where in the terms of service? No. MR. RUBIN: E x h i b i t 2 1. ( R o e s c h D ep o s i t i o n E x h i b i t N u mb e r 2 1 w a s marked for identification.) B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. M r . R oe s c h , t h i s i s a v e rs i o n o f t h e t e r m s I ' d l i k e t o i n t r o d uc e R o e s c h o f s e r v i c e f r o m A t o m E n t e r t a i nm e n t , b u t t h i s w a s l i n k e d t o t h e A d d i c t i n g C l i p s we b s i t e , t h a t w e r e t r i e v e d f r o m t h e I n t e r n e t A rc h i v e . T h e s e w e r e th e v e r s i o n s th a t w e r e i n p l a c e o n o r a b o u t J a n u a r y 2 5t h , 2 0 0 6 . M R . W I L K E NS : R e p e a t t h e s a m e ob j e c t i o n a b o u t t h e p r e v i o u s e x h i b i t s f ro m a r c h i v e . o r g . DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 134 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:45:50 12:45:50 12:45:54 12:45:57 12:46:00 12:46:01 12:46:01 12:46:03 12:46:04 12:46:08 12:46:10 12:46:16 12:46:20 12:46:22 12:46:27 12:46:31 12:46:54 12:46:57 12:47:00 12:47:02 12:47:04 12:47:05 12:47:12 12:47:14 A-808 S C O T T R O E SC H B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. D o y o u k n o w i f A t o m E n t e rt a i n m e n t maintains historical versions of its terms of s e r v i c e a ny w h e r e w i t h i n i t s p os s e s s i o n , c u s t o d y , or control? A. Q. question? A. Q. ask? A. I n t h is - - i n t h i s s c e n a ri o , w h a t t i m e I w o u ld a s k o u r l e g a l d e pa r t m e n t . W h o i n y o u r l e g a l d e p a r t me n t w o u l d y o u I d o n 't k n o w . H o w w ou l d y o u g o a b o u t a ns w e r i n g t h a t p e r i o d w o ul d I b e i n t e r e s t e d in ? Q. T h e p er i o d s t a r t i n g D e c e mb e r o f 2 0 0 6 t o t h e p r e s e nt . A. I w o u ld - - I w o u l d a s k V ic t o r i a L i b i n , a n d I m a y a s k t h e C o m e d y C e n t r a l bu s i n e s s a n d l e g a l t e a m , w h i ch h a s t a k e n o v e r l e ga l - - n o w - - n o w i s our legal counsel. Q. you ask? A. Q. A. I w o u ld a s k D e b b i e S p a n d er . H o w a bo u t d u r i n g t h e 2 0 0 5 p e r i o d ? V i c t o ri a L i b i n . Who in the Comedy Central legal team would DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 135 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:47:20 12:47:22 12:47:25 12:47:26 12:47:29 12:47:30 12:48:39 12:48:40 12:48:40 12:48:42 12:48:42 12:48:45 12:48:45 12:48:49 12:48:50 12:48:51 12:48:54 12:48:58 12:49:02 12:49:04 12:49:09 12:49:12 12:49:14 12:49:20 A-809 S C O T T R O E SC H Q. H a v e yo u h a d a n o p p o r t u n it y t o l o o k a t E x h i b i t 2 1? A. Q. No. Please do. M R . W I L K E NS : t h r o u g h i t. T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. H a v e yo u n o w h a d a n o p p o rt u n i t y t o r e v i e w Okay. T a k e y o u r t i m e a nd r e a d t h e d o c u m en t ? A. it. Q. W e l l , b u t , g e n e r a l l y s p e ak i n g , y o u ' v e Not in extensive detail, but I've skimmed r e v i e w e d it n o w ? A. Q. I ' v e sk i m m e d i t . D o e s it a p p e a r t o y o u t o b e t h e t e r m s o f s e r v i c e t ha t w e r e i n e f f e c t i n t h e 2 0 0 6 t i m e p e r i od f o r A d d i c ti n g C l i p s u p l o a d s i t e? A. Y e a h , I ' m - - I ' m j u s t r e ad i n g t h e " L a s t I interpret Updated on January 12th, 2006" date. t h a t t o m ea n t h a t t h i s w a s i n p l a c e f r o m t h a t d a t e until some date in the future. Q. W h a t po r t i o n o f t h e s e t e rm s o f s e r v i c e d o T h r o ug h y o u b e l i e ve g r a n t e d t h e r i g h t - - p a r d o n m e . DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 136 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:49:25 12:49:28 12:49:35 12:49:39 12:49:39 12:49:41 12:49:42 12:49:43 12:49:44 12:49:46 12:49:46 12:50:21 12:50:26 12:50:30 12:50:35 12:50:35 12:50:37 12:50:40 12:50:43 12:50:44 12:51:19 12:51:21 12:51:21 12:51:29 A-810 S C O T T R O E SC H w h a t p o r t io n o f t h e s e t e r m s o f s e r v i c e d o y o u b e l i e v e A dd i c t i n g C l i p s o r A t o m E n t e r t a i n m e n t w a s g r a n t e d t he r i g h t t o t r a n s c o d e v i d e o s u p l o a d e d b y the users? A. I w o u ld n ' t - M R . W I L K E NS : question. T H E W I T N E SS : t h i s d o c u me n t o r n o t . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A. Would it be in paragraph 8? I ' m n ot a w a r e - - m y - - m y l a y m a n ' s r e a d i n g I ' m n o t s u r e i f th a t i s i n O b j e c t t o t h e f o rm o f t h e o f t h a t i s t h a t t h a t p a r a g r a p h m i g h t c o v e r t h e r i gh t t o - - t h e a b i l i t y t o t r a n s c o d e. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. W o u l d t h i s p a r a g r a p h - - mi g h t t h i s p a r a g r a p h a l s o c o v e r t h e r i g h t t o c o p y m a t e r i a l s to a t h i r d - p ar t y s t r e a m i n g s y s t e m? M R . W I L K E NS : Objection to the form. Calls for a legal conclusion. T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. Okay. Were users able to rank video clips I think so. t h a t t h e y w a t c h e d o n t h e A d d i ct i n g C l i p s u p l o a d DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 137 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:51:36 12:51:38 12:51:41 12:51:45 12:51:47 12:51:48 12:51:50 12:51:53 12:52:03 12:52:06 12:52:09 12:52:10 12:52:13 12:52:17 12:52:18 12:52:21 12:52:23 12:52:26 12:52:37 12:52:46 12:52:49 12:52:52 12:52:57 12:53:05 A-811 S C O T T R O E SC H sites? A. Q. A. document? Q. Sorry. Yeah. I'm moving on. You can set W e r e -- i n w h a t t i m e p e r io d ? At any time period. T h i s -- i t ' s n o t i n r e l a ti o n t o t h i s t h a t d o c u me n t a s i d e f o r n o w . A. T o r a nk t h e m . T h e r e - - t he r e w a s a ranking of clips. I d o n ' t r e ca l l w h e t h e r i n d i v i d ua l u s e r s w e r e a b l e t o s p e c i f y t h ei r o w n p e r s o n a l ranking. Q. ranking? A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. No. Could users rate clips? Yes. C o u l d u s e r s p r o v i d e c o m m en t s t o c l i p s ? Yes. W h a t se a r c h f u n c t i o n s d i d A d d i c t i n g C l i p s C o u l d u s e r s s e a r c h f o r c li p s b a s e d o n h a v e f o r th e s e r v i c e ? A. T h e r e w e r e t w o s e a r c h f u nc t i o n s . One was a f u n c t i o n t o s e a r c h t h e c o n t en t h o s t e d o n t h e w e b s i t e , or i n - - i n - - i n - - h o s t e d b y R e a l i t y Digital or its affiliates. DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 138 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:53:07 12:53:07 12:53:07 12:53:07 12:53:11 12:53:14 12:53:17 12:53:23 12:53:25 12:53:27 12:53:34 12:53:38 12:53:43 12:53:47 12:53:48 12:53:51 12:53:54 12:53:55 12:54:00 12:54:02 12:54:11 12:54:13 12:54:18 12:54:19 A-812 S C O T T R O E SC H T H E R E P O R TE R : T H E W I T N E SS : i t s a f f i l ia t e s . A n d t h e o th e r w a s a w e b s e a r c h f u n c t i o n t o s e a r c h c o nt e n t o n o t h e r w e b s i te s . Q. W e d i sc u s s e d e a r l i e r B l i nk s , a n d B l i n k s I'm sorry. " H o st e d b y " - - Hosted by Reality Digital or b e i n g a s ea r c h p r o v i d e r f o r t he A d d i c t i n g C l i p s l i nk site. I s th a t w h a t y o u ' r e r e fe r r i n g t o w h e n y o u mentioned the web search? A. Q. Yes. W h o p ro v i d e d t h e s e a r c h fu n c t i o n f o r t h e - - s e ar c h i n g t h e c l i p s t h at w e r e u p l o a d e d b y u s e r s t o th e A d d i c t i n g C l i p s s er v i c e ? A. Q. R e a l i ty D i g i t a l . Do you know if it was an in-house search function, or whether it was a third party search function? A. Q. I b e l ie v e i t w a s a n i n - h ou s e f u n c t i o n . D o y o u h a v e a n y d e t a i l s ab o u t t h e n a t u r e a n d i m p l e me n t a t i o n o f t h a t s e ar c h f u n c t i o n ? A. Q. A. Q. I d o n 't b e l i e v e s o . W h a t do y o u k n o w a b o u t i t? About what? T h a t se a r c h f u n c t i o n a l i t y. DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 139 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:54:21 12:54:23 12:54:29 12:54:34 12:54:37 12:54:42 12:54:45 12:54:49 12:54:52 12:54:52 12:54:53 12:54:55 12:54:55 12:54:57 12:54:59 12:55:03 12:55:06 12:55:07 12:55:08 12:55:12 12:55:17 12:55:20 12:55:25 12:55:29 A-813 S C O T T R O E SC H A. I k n o w t h a t i t e n a b l e d u se r s t o t y p e a k e y w o r d , su b m i t t h e k e y w o r d , an d i t w o u l d r e t u r n c o n t e n t a nd p a g e s f r o m t h e A d di c t i n g C l i p s w e b s i t e that were associated with that keyword. Q. Do you know if that -- by "keyword," what y o u ' r e r e fe r r i n g t o i s a s e a r ch i n g o f m e t a d a t a t h at h a d b e e n in d e x e d b a s e d o n t h e d a t a p o p u l a t e d b y u s e r s w h e n t h e y u p l o a d e d v i d e os ? M R . W I L K E NS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. D o y o u u n d e r s t a n d t h e q u es t i o n , Objection to the form. M r . R o e s c h? A. Q. A. Yes. C a n y ou a n s w e r i t ? Yes, I believe that's an accurate, p o s s i b l y pa r t i a l d e s c r i p t i o n . Q. I s t h er e a n y t h i n g y o u c a n a d d t o t h e d e s c r i p t i on ? A. T h e f un c t i o n m a y a l s o h a ve s e a r c h e d o t h e r t e x t s o n Ad d i c t i n g C l i p s w e b p ag e s t h a t u s e r s h a d no t c o n t r i b u t ed b u t m i g h t h a v e b e en w r i t t e n b y s i t e editors. Q. Do you know if there was a limit to the n u m b e r o f r e s u l t s t h a t c o u l d -- t h a t w o u l d - - c o u ld DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 140 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:55:31 12:55:35 12:55:35 12:55:44 12:55:47 12:55:50 12:55:55 12:55:57 12:55:58 12:56:01 12:56:04 12:56:10 12:56:13 12:56:17 12:56:21 12:56:23 12:56:25 12:56:29 12:56:32 12:56:35 12:56:37 12:56:41 12:56:43 12:56:45 A-814 SCOTT ROESCH b e r e t u r n e d i n a n y g iv e n q u e r y t o t h e s e a r c h function? A. Q. I don't know. D o y o u k n o w i f Ad d i c t i n g C l i p s c r ea t e d t h u m b n a i l s o f u s e r - s ub m i t t e d v i d e o s? A. Q. Yes, it did. D i d A d d i c t i n g C l ip s d i s p l a y t h o s e thumbnails to users? A. Q. Yes. I f a c l i p w a s r em o v e d f r o m t h e s e rv i c e - - i n o t h e r w o r d s , a u s er u p l o a d e d a v i de o , a n d i t ' s s u b s e q u e n t l y r e m o v e d - - w a s t h e t h u mb n a i l o f t h a t v i d e o r e t a i n e d s o m e w he r e o n t h e s e r vi c e , o r w a s i t purged? A. A n d a r e y o u r e f er r i n g t o t h e p u b l ic l y accessible service? Q. A. Q. service? A. Q. No. S o w h a t d i d y o u m e a n i n r e s p o n s e to t h e I am. I b e l i e v e t h e t hu m b n a i l w a s r e m o ve d . W a s t h e r e a n o n -p u b l i c l y a v a i l a b le l a s t q u e s t i o n a b o u t wh e t h e r I w a s r ef e r r i n g t o t h e p u b l i c l y a v a i l a b l e s er v i c e ? DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 141 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:56:47 12:56:51 12:56:54 12:56:58 12:57:02 12:57:04 12:57:05 12:57:10 12:57:12 12:57:25 12:57:27 12:57:32 12:57:37 12:57:47 12:57:50 12:57:52 12:58:01 12:58:03 12:58:06 12:58:09 12:58:10 12:58:12 12:58:17 12:58:21 A-815 S C O T T R O E SC H A. I - - I w a s - - I w a s t r y i ng t o c l a r i f y y o u r u s e o f t h e w o r d " p u r g e , " a n d wh e t h e r t h a t m e a n t t ha t a t h u m b n a il w a s n o l o n g e r a v a il a b l e t o t h e u s e r , or whether it was also no longer available to Atom or R e a l i t y D ig i t a l s t a f f . Q. W o u l d t h e r e h a v e b e e n a wa y t h a t y o u o r o t h e r A t o m o r R e a l i t y D i g i t a l s t a f f w o u l d h a v e b e en a b l e t o f in d a t h u m b n a i l f r o m a v i d e o t h a t h a d b e en removed? A. Q. A. I t h i nk s o . How? I b e l ie v e t h a t t h e m a t e r ia l r e m o v e d f r o m t h e w e b s i te w a s a r c h i v e d s o m e ho w . Q. removed? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : Objection to the form. I -- I don't know if there R e g a r dl e s s o f t h e r e a s o n f o r w h i c h i t w a s w a s a - - I' m n o t s u r e i f t h e r e w a s a d i s t i n c t i o n b a s e d o n a r e a s o n , o r i f t h e po l i c y c h a n g e d b a s e d o n that. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. Do you know if there was any ability for A d d i c t - - - A d d i c t i n g C l i p s u s e rs t o c u s t o m i z e t h e i r profile? DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 142 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:58:23 12:58:24 12:58:30 12:58:35 12:58:47 12:58:51 12:58:55 12:58:58 12:59:03 12:59:06 12:59:08 12:59:10 12:59:13 12:59:14 12:59:24 12:59:25 12:59:27 12:59:31 12:59:36 12:59:38 12:59:38 12:59:42 12:59:45 12:59:47 A-816 S C O T T R O E SC H A. Q. A. Yes. W h a t de g r e e o f c u s t o m i z a ti o n w a s t h e r e ? U s e r s c o u l d i n c l u d e i n f o rm a t i o n a b o u t T h e y c o u l d l i n k to v i d e o s t h e y ' d u p l oa d T h e y co u l d i n c l u d e a t h e m s e l v e s. on web -- the website. p h o t o g r a p h a s s o c i a t e d w i t h t h ei r p r o f i l e t h a t w o u ld display on their profile. o t h e r s , b ut I d o n ' t r e c a l l . Q. D i d A dd i c t i n g C l i p s e m p l o ye e s f e a t u r e T h er e m a y h a v e b e e n c e r t a i n v id e o s ? A. Q. A. Q. A. "allow"? Q. D i d A dd i c t i n g C l i p s p e r m i t t h e v i d e o s Yes. W a s t he r e a m o b i l e u p l o a d f u n c t i o n a l i t y ? Yes. D i d A dd i c t i n g C l i p s a l l o w e m b e d s ? I n w h at - - i n w h a t s e n s e d o y o u m e a n hosted on their service to be embedded on t h i r d - p a r ty w e b s i t e s ? A. Q. Yes. C o u l d u s e r s f l a g v i d e o s fo r l a t e r r e v i e w b y A t o m o r A d d i c t i n g C l i p s ' s t af f ? M R . W I L K E NS : frame? C a n y o u c l a r i f y th e t i m e DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 143 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12:59:47 12:59:47 12:59:49 12:59:51 12:59:54 12:59:57 12:59:58 13:00:01 13:00:04 13:00:07 13:00:07 13:00:10 13:00:14 13:00:26 13:00:27 13:00:28 13:00:29 13:00:36 13:00:39 13:00:44 13:00:47 13:00:49 13:00:51 13:00:56 A-817 S C O T T R O E SC H B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A. Q. A. yes. Q. V e r s i on 2 - - j u s t t o b e cl e a r , y o u ' r e At any time. Yes. A t l a un c h ? A t l a un c h o f t h e V e r s i o n 2 o f t h e s e r v i c e , referring to the introduction of the user-uploaded v i d e o p o r ti o n o f t h e s e r v i c e ; c o r r e c t ? A. Q. Yes. W a s t he r e a n y c h a n g e o v e r t i m e t o t h e nature and type of flags that a user could make to the video for later review by Atom or other A d d i c t i n g Cl i p s s t a f f ? A. Q. A. Q. I d o n 't r e c a l l . B u t t he r e m a y h a v e b e e n ? I t ' s po s s i b l e . W e r e us e r s a b l e t o d o w n l oa d v i d e o s f r o m t h e A d d i c ti n g C l i p s w e b s i t e ? A. function. Q. S o t h er e w a s n o d o w n l o a d f u n c t i o n a l i t y There is no -- there was no download built into the AddictingClips website for users to d o w n l o a d vi d e o s w i t h t h e s a n c ti o n o f A d d i c t i n g C l i ps ; DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 144 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:01:00 13:01:01 13:01:02 13:01:04 13:01:06 13:01:07 13:01:08 13:01:10 13:01:11 13:01:18 13:01:20 13:01:20 13:01:21 13:01:25 13:01:28 13:01:31 13:01:33 13:01:34 13:01:34 13:01:37 13:01:43 13:01:51 13:01:55 13:01:58 A-818 S C O T T R O E SC H i s t h a t r ig h t ? A. Q. C o r r e ct . D o y o u k n o w i f i t o c c u r r ed , n o n e t h e l e s s ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. occurred? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : possible. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A r e y ou a w a r e o f t e c h n o l og y k n o w n a s Objection to the form. I - - I t h i n k i t wa s D o y o u k n o w i f i t w a s p o ss i b l e t h a t i t Objection to the form. I d o n ' t k n o w i f it o c c u r r e d . s t r e a m r i pp i n g ? A. Q. use it? A. Q. I ' m n ot s u r e . A r e y ou f a m i l i a r w i t h t h e a b i l i t y , o r a I d o n 't t h i n k I ' m f a m i l i ar w i t h t h a t t e r m . D o y o u k n o w w h a t I ' m r e f er r i n g t o w h e n I technology that enables a user to download content t h a t i s s tr e a m e d o v e r t h e I n t er n e t , e v e n i f d o w n l oa d f u n c t i o n a li t y w a s n o t i n t e n d e d, o r i n d e e d , e v e n i f i t w a s e x pr e s s l y n o t i n t e n d e d t o b e a p a r t o f t h e c o n t e n t t ha t ' s b e i n g v i e w e d ? DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 145 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:02:00 13:02:02 13:02:07 13:02:12 13:02:16 13:02:32 13:02:36 13:02:40 13:02:43 13:02:47 13:02:49 13:03:01 13:03:04 13:03:09 13:03:13 13:03:18 13:03:18 13:03:19 13:03:23 13:03:26 13:03:28 13:03:35 13:03:46 13:03:49 A-819 SCOTT ROESCH A. Q. I ' m a w a r e t h a t it e x i s t s . A r e y o u a w a r e o f a n y m e a n s d e p l o y ed b y A d d i c t i n g C l i p s t o s t op t h e u s e o f s tr e a m r i p p e r s - s t r e a m r i p p e r s o r a n y f u n c t i o n a l i t ie s l i k e t h a t b y end users? A. A r e y o u - - a r e yo u a s k i n g f o r , s p e c i f i c a l l y , t e c h n o lo g y t h a t w o u l d p r e v e n t t h e s t r e a m r i p p i n g f r o m oc c u r r i n g , o r j us t f r o m a n y u n a u t h o r i z e d u s e o f th e c o n t e n t ? Q. A. Q. A. Specifically the former. I'm not sure. H o w a b o u t t h e l at t e r ? W e - - w e m a y h a ve i m p l e m e n t e d s e c ur e s t r e a m i n g , s o m e - - s om e k i n d o f d o m ai n p r o t e c t i o n , b u t I ' m n o t 1 0 0 p e r c en t s u r e i f - - i f w e d i d . Q. A. Q. A. Q. Who would -I k n o w i t w a s c on s i d e r e d . W h o w o u l d k n o w mo r e a b o u t t h a t ? R e a l i t y D i g i t a l w o u l d p r o b a b l y k no w . A n d w h o a t R e a l it y D i g i t a l d o y o u t h i n k would know most about that? A. Q. Randy St. Jean. D i d A d d i c t i n g C l ip s , V e r s i o n 2 , t he u p l o a d v e r s i o n - - m a y a s w e ll u s e t h a t a s a sh o r t h a n d f o r DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 146 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:03:55 13:03:55 13:03:56 13:03:59 13:04:00 13:04:03 13:04:05 13:04:07 13:04:11 13:04:18 13:04:20 13:04:21 13:04:21 13:04:22 13:04:28 13:04:56 13:05:02 13:05:22 13:05:23 13:05:25 13:05:25 13:05:27 13:05:31 13:05:35 A-820 S C O T T R O E SC H it. A. Q. A. Q. Okay. - - h a ve p r i v a t e v i d e o f u nc t i o n a l i t y ? Yes. Was it always intended to have private v i d e o f u n ct i o n a l i t y f r o m t h e in c e p t i o n o f t h e concept? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : Objection to the form. I don't recall. I mean, I c o u l d c h e ck t h e d o c u m e n t s , i f y o u ' d l i k e . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A. Q. Let's compare. Okay. I f I co u l d a s k y o u t o t u rn t o E x h i b i t 1 8 , 4.2.1. Would you p l e a s e , p ag e 6 o f t h e e x h i b i t . c o m p a r e t ha t w i t h t h e s a m e p a ge , a n d i n d e e d t h e s am e s e c t i o n , 4. 2 . 1 , o f E x h i b i t 1 9 . H a v e y o u ha d a n o p p o r t u n i t y t o c o m p a r e t h e t w o e x h i b it s ? A. Q. Yes. D o e s th a t r e f r e s h y o u r r ec o l l e c t i o n a s t o w h e t h e r o r n o t p r i v a t e v i d e o fu n c t i o n a l i t y w a s a l w a y s i n te n d e d t o b e a - - a po r t i o n - - r a t h e r a feature of the AddictingClips Version 2? DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 147 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:05:45 13:05:47 13:05:50 13:05:54 13:05:54 13:05:58 13:06:01 13:06:03 13:06:10 13:06:15 13:06:20 13:06:23 13:06:26 13:06:27 13:06:30 13:06:32 13:06:43 13:06:43 13:06:44 13:06:46 13:06:48 13:06:55 13:06:58 13:07:00 A-821 SCOTT ROESCH A. D o e s n ' t r e f r e s h m y r e c o l l e c t i o n of t h a t , b u t I t a k e t h e t e x t at f a c e v a l u e . Q. you? A. T e l l s m e t h a t o n D e c e m b e r 2 1 o f ' 05 w e W h a t d o e s t h e t ex t , a t f a c e v a l u e , t e l l were not planning to launch with the feature, that w e w e r e c o n s i d e r i n g it f o r t h e f u t u re . A n d o n F e b r u a r y 1 4 , '0 6 , w e h a d u p d a te d o u r p l a n s t o l a u n c h wi t h t h e p r i v a t e c l i p f e a t u r e w i t h t h e o p t i o n t o t ur n i t o f f a t a l at e r t i m e . Q. Do you know what the reason is for that change in plans? MR. WILKENS: I ' m g o in g t o j u s t c a u t i on t h e w i t n e s s n o t t o g et i n t o a t t o r n e y- c l i e n t p r i v i l e g e d c o m m u n i c a ti o n s . I f y o u c an a n s w e r w i t h o u t d o i n g t h a t , pl e a s e g o a h e a d . THE WITNESS: BY MR. RUBIN: Q. Did you have any discussions, Mr. Roesch, I don't recall. with any lawyer about whether or not the service could launch with or without private videos? A. Q. I - - I d o n ' t r e ca l l a c o n v e r s a t i o n. Y o u d o n ' t r e c a l l h a v i n g a c o n v e r sa t i o n w i t h a l a w y e r a b o u t th a t ? DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 150 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:10:37 13:10:45 13:10:48 13:10:49 13:10:50 13:10:50 13:10:52 13:10:55 13:10:56 13:11:01 13:11:03 13:11:06 13:11:08 13:11:11 13:11:14 13:11:17 13:11:17 13:11:22 13:11:26 13:11:33 13:11:39 13:11:43 13:11:44 13:11:53 A-822 S C O T T R O E SC H Q. Okay. So Brendan Jackson was brought on u n i q u e l y to w o r k o n A d d i c t i n g Cl i p s ? A. Q. A. Q. A. That's right. I s h e s t i l l w i t h t h e c o m pa n y ? No. W h e n di d h e l e a v e ? H e p r ob a b l y l e f t i n - - i n l a t e ' 0 7 o r m a y b e e a r ly ' 0 8 . Q. A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. him? A. Q. A bit. H o w d id a u s e r g o a b o u t ma k i n g a v i d e o Do you know why he left? H e g o t a n o t h e r j o b o p p o r tu n i t y . S o h e l e f t b y h i s o w n v o li t i o n ? Yes. H a v e yo u s p o k e n w i t h h i m r e c e n t l y ? I t ' s be e n a m o n t h o r t w o , p r o b a b l y . B u t y ou s t i l l m a i n t a i n s om e c o n t a c t w i t h p r i v a t e , ve r s u s p u b l i c l y a v a i la b l e , o n t h e V e r s i o n 2 A d d i c t i n g Cl i p s s i t e ? A. I b e l ie v e i t w a s a n o p t i on t h e y c o u l d s e l e c t d u ri n g t h e u p l o a d p r o c es s . Q. D o y o u k n o w i f t h e p u b l i c/ p r i v a t e s t a t u s treatment changed post upload? DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 151 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:11:57 13:11:58 13:12:00 13:12:07 13:12:15 13:12:19 13:12:31 13:12:39 13:12:43 13:12:46 13:12:53 13:12:57 13:12:57 13:12:58 13:13:01 13:13:02 13:13:06 13:13:06 13:13:10 13:13:13 13:13:17 13:13:19 13:13:21 13:13:24 A-823 S C O T T R O E SC H A. Q. I t h i nk s o . Do you know if there was a limit on the n u m b e r o f v i d e o s t h a t a u s e r co u l d s e t t o p r i v a t e ? A. Q. I d o n 't k n o w . D i d A dd i c t i n g C l i p s s u p e r im p o s e a n y l o g o s o n i t s v i de o p l a y e r ? A. I b e l ie v e w e - - h m . I b e li e v e i t - - t h e r e was a logo superimposed on the embedded video player. I d o n ' t r e c a l l i f t h er e w a s o n e o n t h e p l a y e r t h at w a s s e r v e d o n t h e w e b s i t e i t s e l f . Q. another? A. Q. Yes. C o u l d u s e r s r e c o m m e n d v i de o s t o n o n u s e r s C o u l d u s e r s r e c o m m e n d v i de o s t o o n e o f t h e s i te ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. website? A. website? Q. A. Yes. Yes. D i d w e a l l o w a d v e r t i s e m e nt s o n t h e D i d A dd i c t i n g C l i p s a d v e r ti s e o n t h e Objection to the form. Yes. DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 152 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:13:26 13:13:29 13:13:31 13:13:33 13:13:41 13:13:46 13:13:54 13:13:59 13:14:04 13:14:05 13:14:08 13:14:13 13:14:16 13:14:20 13:14:22 13:14:25 13:14:30 13:14:31 13:14:34 13:14:36 13:14:39 13:14:40 13:14:42 13:14:46 A-824 S C O T T R O E SC H Q. W h a t ty p e s o f a d v e r t i s e m en t s d i d y o u a l l o w o n t h e w e bs i t e ? A. T h e r e w e r e b a n n e r s t y l e di s p l a y a d v e r t i s e me n t s , a n d I b e l i e v e t h e r e w e r e s e a r c h - t h e r e w e r e t e x t a d v e r t i s e m e n t s o n t h e s e a r c h p a g e s. Q. Where on -- was there any place on the A d d i c t i n g Cl i p s w e b s i t e , a n y g iv e n p a g e , t h a t d i d no t h a v e a d v e rt i s i n g o n i t ? A. Q. A. Yes. W h a t pa g e o r p a g e s w e r e th o s e ? W e l l , p a g e s t h a t f r a m e d th i r d - p a r t y s i t e s . A s I d e s c ri b e d e a r l i e r , w h e n we w o u l d l i n k o u t t o t h i r d - p a r ty s i t e s w e w o u l d i n cl u d e a t h i n f r a m e a t the top of the page? Q. W h y w as n ' t - - w h y w e r e n ' t a d v e r t i s e m e n t s i n c l u d e d on t h o s e p a g e s i n t h os e f r a m e s ? M R . W I L K E NS : T o t h e e x t e n t t h at t h a t w o u l d r e q ui r e y o u t o r e v e a l a tt o r n e y - c l i e n t c o m m u n i c a ti o n s , I c a u t i o n y o u - - I w o u l d i n s t r u c t y o u n o t t o a n s w e r , b u t i f y o u c a n a n s w e r o t h e r w i s e, please do. T H E W I T N E SS : We would believe -- we b e l i e v e d it w o u l d r e q u i r e t o o l a r g e o f a - - o f a f r a m e , a n d i t w o u l d i r r i t a t e th e t h i r d - p a r t y s i t e s. DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 153 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:14:49 13:14:50 13:14:55 13:14:58 13:14:59 13:15:03 13:15:07 13:15:10 13:15:14 13:15:17 13:15:20 13:15:26 13:15:46 13:15:47 13:15:48 13:15:49 13:15:52 13:15:54 13:15:55 13:15:58 13:16:02 13:16:03 13:16:03 13:16:05 A-825 S C O T T R O E SC H B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. S o t h e - - t h e d e s i g n e l e me n t o f i t , t o o l a r g e a f ra m e , w h a t d o y o u m e an b y " i r r i t a t e t h e t h i r d - p a r ty s i t e s " ? , A. Y o u k no w , t h e r e - - i t w o ul d - - i t - - y o u k n o w , a l ar g e - - a l a r g e f r a m e s e r v e d a t t h e t o p of a t h i r d p ar t y ' s w e b s i t e m a d e -- w o u l d m a k e t h e experience on the website less attractive, thus, p e r h a p s i rr i t a t i n g t o t h e m . Q. I s t h er e a n y o t h e r c o n s i de r a t i o n t h a t l e d t o n o t u s in g a d v e r t i s e m e n t s i n t h e f r a m e s t o a s i te linked to from AddictingClips? A. Q. Yes. W h a t we r e t h e y ? M R . W I L K E NS : T o t h e e x t e n t t h at w o u l d r e q u i r e y ou t o r e v e a l a t t o r n e y- c l i e n t p r i v i l e g e , I i n s t r u c t yo u n o t t o a n s w e r . answer. T H E W I T N E SS : N o w , w e - - w e d i dn ' t h a v e Ot h e r w i s e y o u c a n s u f f i c i e n t d e m a n d f o r t h e a d v er t i s e m e n t s t o n e e d to serve them there. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A n y o th e r r e a s o n ? M R . W I L K E NS : Same caution as I gave you a DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 156 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:18:21 13:18:24 13:18:25 13:18:26 13:18:29 13:18:31 13:18:34 13:18:36 13:18:37 13:18:39 13:18:41 13:18:41 13:18:43 13:18:44 13:18:45 13:18:46 13:18:50 13:18:50 13:18:50 13:18:51 13:18:55 13:18:56 13:18:57 13:18:59 A-826 S C O T T R O E SC H f o r r a t i o na l e s , n u m b e r - - t h e n u m b e r o f r a t i o n a l e s. T h a t ' s a l l. I f - - i f yo u w a n t t o g i v e a n in s t r u c t i o n , y o u ' r e e n ti t l e d t o , b u t y o u u nd e r s t a n d t h i s - - t h at t h i s p o s i ti o n i s g o i n g t o b e at t r i b u t e d t o y o u r client in this case, and it is inconsistent with p o s i t i o n s y o u ' v e t a k e n b e f o r e i n t h e q u e s t i o n i n g of o u r w i t n e ss e s . And that's fine. Y o u ' r e e n t i t le d t o d o w h a t e v e r yo u w a n t i n t h i s - - in t h i s r o o m , S c o t t , b u t i t h a s r a m i f i c a t i o n s o u t s id e o f t h a t . all. M R . W I L K E NS : speech -MR. RUBIN: I ' m n o t m a k i n g a s pe e c h . I'm Quite apart from that That's j u s t n o t i ng f o r t h e r e c o r d w h at ' s g o i n g o n . M R . W I L K E NS : MR. RUBIN: M i c h a e l - - M i c h a el - We're going to move on. If y o u w a n t to k e e p t a l k i n g a b o u t i t w e c a n g o o f f t he record. I 'm n o t g o i n g t o w a s te m y d e p o s i t i o n t i m e with this. M R . W I L K E NS : M i c h a e l , I j u s t wa n t t o n o t e t h a t I d i sa g r e e w i t h w h a t - - wi t h y o u r c h a r a c t e r iz a t i o n . That's all. DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 157 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:19:00 13:19:01 13:19:01 13:19:01 13:19:02 13:19:04 13:19:07 13:19:12 13:19:15 13:19:16 13:19:18 13:19:19 13:19:20 13:19:21 13:19:25 13:19:34 13:19:38 13:19:38 13:19:41 13:19:43 13:19:47 13:19:51 13:19:58 13:20:02 A-827 SCOTT ROESCH MR. RUBIN: T h a t ' s f in e . You're going to d i s a g r e e w i t h e v e r y t hi n g I s a y t o d a y, s o t h a t ' s okay. BY MR. RUBIN: Q. W i t h r e s p e c t t o a n y o t h e r p a g e , w as t h e r e any other page on the AddictingClips service -- was t h e r e a n y p a g e o n V e rs i o n 2 o f t h e A d di c t i v e C l i p s s e r v i c e o n w h i c h a d v er t i s e m e n t s w e re n o t d i s c l o s e d ? A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. Yes. W h i c h p a g e w a s th a t ? T h e t e r m s o f s e rv i c e . Any others? T h e p r i v a c y p o l ic y . Any others? I d o n ' t t h i n k s o. S o a d s w e r e d i s pl a y e d o n t h e s e a r ch p a g e ? Yes. A n d a d s w e r e d i sp l a y e d o n t h e p a g es o n w h i c h v i d e o s w e r e d i sp l a y e d ? A. Q. CPC ads? A. Q. I believe there were both. A n d o n t h e - - f or l a c k o f a b e t t e r w o r d Yes. O n t h e s e a r c h p ag e , w e r e t h e a d s CP M o r DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 158 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:20:07 13:20:09 13:20:18 13:20:21 13:20:24 13:20:36 13:20:39 13:20:44 13:20:49 13:20:58 13:21:11 13:21:22 13:21:25 13:21:28 13:21:30 13:21:34 13:21:41 13:21:41 13:21:44 13:21:48 13:21:52 13:21:53 13:21:55 13:22:00 A-828 S C O T T R O E SC H I ' l l r e f e r t o t h e m a s " w a t c h pa g e s . " On the watch p a g e s , w e re t h e a d s C P M a d s o r C P C a d s ? A. T y p i c al l y , I b e l i e v e t h e y' r e C P M a d s , a l t h o u g h I d o n ' t k n o w t h e - - th e d e a l s b e h i n d e v e ry a d v e r t i s e me n t t h a t i s o n t h e r e. Q. W a s t he r e a n y t i m e a t w h ic h , i n t h e V e r s i o n 2 o f t h e s i t e , f r o m t he m o m e n t t h e c o m p a n y a l l o w e d f or t h e u p l o a d o f v i d eo s b y u s e r s t o t o d a y, t h a t A d d i ct i n g C l i p s d i d n o t p ut a d s o n a l l w a t c h pages? A. Q. I d o n 't t h i n k s o . W a s t he r e a d m i n i s t r a t i v e l e v e l a c c e s s t o t h e A d d i c ti n g C l i p s w e b s i t e i n V e r s i o n 2 ? A. Q. Yes. H o w d id t h a t a c c e s s d i f f er f r o m a c c e s s b y - - t h a n o r d i n a r y u s e r , m e m be r o f t h e p u b l i c w o ul d have? A. I t g r an t e d t h e p e r s o n w h o h a d l o g g e d i n w i t h a d m i ni s t r a t i v e r i g h t s t o b e a b l e t o m a k e changes to the website that a non-user wouldn't be a b l e t o m ak e . Q. A. Q. W h a t so r t s o f c h a n g e s ? F o r e xa m p l e , b a n n i n g a v id e o . R e m o v in g a v i d e o ? DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 159 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:22:02 13:22:03 13:22:07 13:22:12 13:22:15 13:22:19 13:22:30 13:22:31 13:22:33 13:22:34 13:22:34 13:22:36 13:22:39 13:22:44 13:22:47 13:22:50 13:22:59 13:23:01 13:23:06 13:23:07 13:23:07 13:23:12 13:23:16 13:23:20 A-829 S C O T T R O E SC H A. Q. A. Q. Yes. Could you remove a user? I b e l ie v e s o , y e s . W e r e th e s e u n i q u e a c c o u n ts , o r w e r e c e r t a i n p er m i s s i o n s g i v e n t o re g u l a r a c c o u n t s t o make them admin-enabled? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : y o u r e p e a t? B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. Sure. You testified that -- to Objection to the form. I'm sorry. C a n yo u - - c a n a d m i n i s t r at i v e r i g h t s , a n d I ' m t r y i n g t o u n d e r s t a nd i f t h e s e we r e u n i q u e a c c o u n t s , o r w h e t h e r t h e y w e re p e r m i s s i o ns , r i g h t s , g r a n t e d to e x i s t i n g a c c o u n t s t h a t - - t ha t g a v e t h e m t h e a b il i t y t o d o t h i s ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : w i t h g r e a te r p r i v i l e g e s . Objection to the form. The -- these were accounts I d on ' t k n o w - - I ' m n o t s u r e I - - I u n d e r s t a n d t h e d i st i n c t i o n . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. D o y o u h a v e a n a d m i n - e n a bl e d a c c o u n t t o t h e A d d i c ti n g C l i p s , o r t h e c u rr e n t v e r s i o n o f t h e service? A. There is one. There is a -- there is a -- DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 160 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:23:22 13:23:30 13:23:31 13:23:33 13:23:34 13:23:34 13:23:34 13:23:34 13:23:34 13:23:34 13:23:48 13:23:48 13:23:51 13:23:54 13:24:00 13:24:01 13:24:02 13:24:02 13:24:04 13:24:14 13:24:16 13:24:33 13:24:40 13:24:44 A-830 S C O T T R O E SC H a n a d m i n ac c o u n t o n t h e c u r r e nt A t o m . c o m s e r v i c e . Q. D o y o u h a v e - - i s i t - - is i t s e p a r a t e f r o m t h e ac c o u n t t h a t y o u u s e t o l o g i n t o t h e service? A. Q. Yes. I t ' s a u n i q u e a c c o u n t , n ot a s s o c i a t e d w i t h a n y i n d i v id u a l ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : account. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. S o t h en w i t h t h e a c c o u n t t h a t y o u , S c o t t Objection to the form. Y e s , i t ' s a - - i t' s a u n i q u e R o e s c h , u se t o l o g i n t o t h e s er v i c e , c a n y o u r e m o ve a v i d e o f ro m t h e s e r v i c e ? A. Q. A. Q. S p e a k in g f o r t o d a y ? Sure. No. B u t y ou h a v e a c c e s s t o t he a d m i n i s t r a t i v e c r e d e n t i a ls t o l o g i n a n d d o so ; r i g h t ? A. Q. A. I d o n 't b e l i e v e s o , t o d a y. W h o h as a c c e s s t o t h o s e cr e d e n t i a l s ? M e m b e rs o f t h e - - w e l l , th e - - t h e a d m i n i s t r at i o n o f a c c o u n t s i s - - i s a m o r e c e n t r a l i z ed f u n c t i o n n o w . I t 's m e m b e r s o f t h e t e am DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 161 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:24:47 13:24:52 13:24:54 13:25:01 13:25:09 13:25:11 13:25:12 13:25:15 13:25:18 13:25:25 13:25:26 13:25:28 13:25:31 13:25:32 13:25:33 13:25:35 13:25:37 13:25:40 13:25:43 13:25:45 13:25:47 13:25:51 13:25:53 13:26:00 A-831 S C O T T R O E SC H e n t i t l e d Fl u x . Q. A. The Flux team has access to that. W h a t is F l u x ? F l u x is a - - i t ' s a s e t of s o c i a l n e t w o r k i n g a n d c o m m u n i t y t o o l s. Q. A. Q. W h e n we r e t h o s e t o o l s d e ve l o p e d ? I d o n 't k n o w . W a s t he r e a t i m e a t w h i c h y o u h a d a d m i n i s t r at i v e r i g h t s a s s o c i a te d w i t h y o u r a c c o u n t f o r t h e A dd i c t i n g C l i p s w e b s i t e? A. Q. I d o n 't t h i n k s o . W a s t he r e a t i m e i n w h i c h y o u h a d t h e ability to remove videos from the AddictingClips website? A. Q. A. Q. Yes. H o w d id y o u d o t h a t ? I w o u ld u s e t h e a d m i n i s t ra t i v e a c c o u n t . S o t h er e w a s a - - a - - t he r e w a s a s p e c i a l a d m i n i s t r at i v e a c c o u n t , a p a r t f r o m y o u r o w n p e r s o na l account? A. Q. Yes. C o u l d t h a t a c c o u n t a p p r o ve v i d e o s f o r p u b l i c a t i on t o t h e s e r v i c e ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : Objection to the form. I think so. DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 162 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:26:01 13:26:02 13:26:07 13:26:12 13:26:13 13:26:14 13:26:20 13:26:23 13:26:23 13:26:28 13:26:29 13:26:32 13:26:35 13:26:40 13:26:42 13:26:47 13:26:50 13:26:54 13:26:58 13:27:02 13:27:03 13:27:15 13:27:16 13:27:16 A-832 S C O T T R O E SC H B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. Could that admin-enabled account view v i d e o s t h at w e r e n o t a c c e s s i b le t o p u b l i c u s e r s o f t h e w e b s i te ? A. Q. Yes. Could that admin-enabled account view v i d e o s t h at h a d b e e n r e m o v e d fr o m t h e w e b s i t e ? A. Q. videos? A. Q. I t h i nk s o . Could that admin account flag a video for Yes. Could that admin account review private f u r t h e r r ev i e w ? A. Q. I t h i nk s o . Could that admin-enabled account remove a f l a g f r o m a v i d e o t h a t h a d b e en a p p l i e d b y o t h e r s ? A. Q. I t h i nk i t c o u l d . Could that admin-account apply a strike f o r D M C A in f r i n g e m e n t p u r p o s e s? M R . W I L K E NS : question. T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. W h o w ou l d k n o w t h a t ? I don't know. Objection to the form of the DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 163 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:27:19 13:27:22 13:27:24 13:27:33 13:27:39 13:27:43 13:27:54 13:27:56 13:27:56 13:27:56 13:27:57 13:27:58 13:27:58 13:28:00 13:28:02 13:28:06 13:28:10 13:28:12 13:28:19 13:28:22 13:28:26 13:28:33 13:28:35 13:28:35 A-833 S C O T T R O E SC H A. Q. A. Q. I t h i nk R e a l i t y D i g i t a l wo u l d k n o w t h a t . A n d w ho a t R e a l i t y D i g i t al ? P r o b a bl y R a n d y S t . J e a n . D i d A dd i c t i n g C l i p s e n g a g e i n t h e s a m e r i g h t s c l ea r a n c e p r o c e s s i n V er s i o n 2 t h a t A t o m Films did before allowing user supplied clips to appear on the service. T H E R E P O R TE R : MR. RUBIN: I'm sorry. " B e fo r e " - - A l l o w i n g t h e u s e r su p p l i e d c l i p s t o ap p e a r o n t h e s e r v i c e. T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. W h y n ot ? M R . W I L K E NS : T o t h e e x t e n t t h at t h a t No. q u e s t i o n wo u l d - - y o u r a n s w e r in g t h a t q u e s t i o n w o ul d r e v e a l a t to r n e y - c l i e n t p r i v i l eg e , I ' m i n s t r u c t i n g you not to answer, but if you can do it without r e f e r r i n g t o t h o s e c o m m u n i c a t io n s , p l e a s e g o a h e a d. T H E W I T N E SS : B e c a u s e t h e n a t u re o f t h e m e t h o d b y w h i c h c o n t e n t w e n t on t o t h e w e b s i t e m a d e i t i m p o s s ib l e t o - - e l i m i n a t e d t h e t i m e n e e d e d t o , f o r e x a m p le , s i g n a c o n t r a c t . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. Could you explain that? DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 164 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:28:36 13:28:40 13:28:43 13:28:49 13:28:51 13:28:53 13:28:54 13:28:57 13:29:08 13:29:09 13:29:12 13:29:14 13:29:17 13:29:19 13:29:22 13:29:24 13:29:24 13:29:27 13:29:30 13:29:35 13:29:40 13:29:44 13:29:47 13:29:48 A-834 S C O T T R O E SC H A. Yes. S o i f - - i f - - y o u kn o w , a s I d e s c r i b e d , t h e u s e r h a d t h e a bi l i t y t o u p l o a d a v i d e o d i r ec t l y f r o m t h e i r c o m pu t e r o n t o t h e w e b s i te . Q. A n d a t t h a t p o i n t i t a p p ea r e d a u t o m a t i c al l y o n t o t h e w e b s i t e; r i g h t ? A. Q. Right. Okay. And then so -- what is it about t h a t t h a t m a d e d o i n g t h e r i g h ts c l e a r a n c e p r o c e s s i m p o s s i b l e? A. The -- the Atom staff was not involved in It was -- the t h e p u b l i ca t i o n o f - - o f t h e vi d e o . e n d u s e r pu b l i s h e d i t t h e m s e l ve s . Q. D i d y ou g e t a n y a s s u r a n c e f r o m t h e e n d user that they had the rights to upload it before y o u a l l o w ed t h e m t o u p l o a d i t ? A. Q. A. Yes. W h a t so r t o f a s s u r a n c e s di d y o u o b t a i n ? The -- in the process of uploading the v i d e o , t h e u s e r n e e d e d t o c h e ck a b o x i n d i c a t i n g that they had read and agreed to the terms of service of the site. Q. Y o u t hi n k i t w o u l d h a v e be e n i m p r a c t i c a l , though, to go beyond that? M R . W I L K E NS : Objection to the form. DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 165 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13:29:58 13:29:59 13:30:02 13:30:04 13:30:05 13:30:07 13:30:10 13:30:12 13:30:16 13:30:19 13:30:23 13:30:29 13:30:32 13:30:34 13:30:36 13:30:37 13:30:37 13:30:49 13:30:56 13:31:00 13:31:04 13:31:14 13:31:18 13:31:21 A-835 S C O T T R O E SC H T H E W I T N E SS : I would need -- I would need t o k n o w w ha t u n i t , s p e c i f i c a l ly - - w h a t y o u ' d r e c o m m e n d - - w h a t u n i t y o u w o ul d b e r e f e r r i n g t o . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. I ' m t ry i n g t o g e t a n u n d er s t a n d i n g o f w h a t y o u w e r e te s t i f y i n g t o e a r l i e r, a c t u a l l y . W e t a l k e d e a r l i e r , m u c h e a r l i er t h i s m o r n i n g , ab o u t t h e p r o c e s s t h at A t o m F i l m s e n g a g e d i n , t h i s ri g h t s c l e a r a n c e p r o ce s s . D o y o u t h i n k it w o u l d b e im p r a c t i c a l i n t h e c on t e x t o f t h e V e r s i o n 2 A d d i c t i n g Cl i p s s i t e t o e n g a g e i n t h a t p r o c e s s f o r t h e u p l o a d o f u s e r g e n e r a t e d co n t e n t ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : process. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A. Q. I u n d er s t a n d t h a t . Yes. D i d A dd i c t i n g C l i p s e v e r bl o c k t h e u p l o a d e d Objection to the form. It was -- it was a different v i d e o s b a se d o n k e y w o r d s c o n t ai n e d i n t h e m e t a d a t a s u p p l i e d by t h e u s e r s ? A. Q. so? I d o n 't - - I d o n ' t k n o w . Did it have the technical ability to do DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 180 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 14:02:30 14:02:30 14:02:35 14:02:38 14:02:42 14:02:43 14:02:43 14:02:43 14:02:48 14:02:50 14:02:51 14:02:54 14:02:55 14:02:58 14:03:03 14:03:10 14:03:12 14:03:15 14:03:21 14:03:23 14:03:29 14:03:40 14:03:44 14:03:49 A-836 S C O T T R O E SC H B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. D o y o u k n o w i f A u d i b l e M ag i c o r a n y o t h e r v i d e o i d e nt i f i c a t i o n t e c h n o l o gy c a n d e t e r m i n e w h e t h e r a v i d e o c o n s t i t u t e s f ai r u s e o r n o t ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. D i d A dd i c t i n g C l i p s c r e a t e m d 5 h a s h e s o f Objection to the form. I don't know. u p l o a d e d vi d e o s ? A. Q. A. Q. I - - I d o n ' t k n o w w h a t t ha t i s . Y o u d on ' t k n o w w h a t a n m d5 h a s h i s ? No. Okay. Did AddictingClips in any way block u s e r s f r o m s u b m i t t i n g t h e i d e nt i c a l v i d e o m o r e t h an once? A. Q. I d o n 't k n o w . D i d A dd i c t i n g C l i p s d e p l o y a n y t e c h n o l o g y t h a t w o u l d p r e v e n t u s e r s f r o m s u b m i t t i n g v i d e o s t ha t h a d b e e n pr e v i o u s l y r e m o v e d f ro m t h e s e r v i c e f o r t e r m s o f us e v i o l a t i o n s o r b a se d o n a l l e g a t i o n s o f copyright infringement? A. I b e l ie v e t h e r e - - w e h a d t h e a b i l i t y t o b a n m e m b e rs w h o w e b e l i e v e d w er e r e p e a t e d l y , y o u k n o w , a b u si n g t h e s i t e , a n d b y u p l o a d i n g m a t e r i a l DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 181 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 14:03:53 14:03:56 14:04:00 14:04:02 14:04:04 14:04:07 14:04:08 14:04:10 14:04:14 14:04:17 14:04:19 14:04:23 14:04:26 14:04:29 14:04:32 14:04:37 14:04:42 14:04:43 14:04:44 14:04:44 14:04:46 14:04:52 14:04:53 14:05:00 A-837 SCOTT ROESCH t h e y s h o u l d n ' t b e u p lo a d i n g , a n d s o t h e y - - w e w e r e a b l e t o p r e v e n t t h e m f r o m r e - u p l o a d in g a n y t h i n g f r o m - - f r o m t h o s e a cc o u n t s . Q. C o u l d y o u p r e v e nt t h a t s a m e u s e r fr o m registering again and uploading the same content in a different account? A. Q. N o , I d o n ' t b e l ie v e s o . C o u l d y o u p r e v e nt a c o m p l e t e l y d if f e r e n t u s e r , t o t a l l y u n c o n n ec t e d w i t h t h a t u s e r , f r o m u p l o a d i n g t h e s a m e a cc o u n t , o r t h a t - - p a r d o n m e - t h e s a m e c o n t e n t t h a t y o u h a d p r e v i ou s l y r e m o v e d ? A. Q. I d o n ' t t h i n k s o. D o y o u k n o w i f Ad d i c t i n g C l i p s e v er d e v e l o p e d a n y s o f t w a re t o o l s t h a t a ll o w e d c o n t e n t o w n e r s t o s e n d n o t i c es o f a l l e g e d i nf r i n g e m e n t p u r s u a n t t o t h e D M C A i n a n e l e c t r o n ic f a s h i o n ? MR. WILKENS: THE WITNESS: BY MR. RUBIN: Q. D o y o u k n o w i f Ad d i c t i n g C l i p s e v er O b j e c t io n t o t h e f o r m . I don't know. i n c l u d e d a n y c o p y r i g ht e d u c a t i o n m an u a l s o n i t s website? MR. WILKENS: THE WITNESS: O b j e c t io n t o t h e f o r m . I b e l i ev e - - I b e l i e v e we DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 182 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 14:05:03 14:05:07 14:05:10 14:05:13 14:05:13 14:05:16 14:05:20 14:05:24 14:05:24 14:05:34 14:05:35 14:05:39 14:05:42 14:05:45 14:05:45 14:05:49 14:05:52 14:05:57 14:05:59 14:06:03 14:06:08 14:06:12 14:06:15 14:06:16 A-838 S C O T T R O E SC H i n c l u d e d -- w e m a y h a v e i n c l u de d s o m e g u i d e l i n e s , h i g h l e v e l g u i d e l i n e s , a n d I wo u l d n ' t d e s c r i b e w h at I ' m r e c o l le c t i n g a s a - - a s a m a n u a l . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. Okay. D o y o u k n o w i f A d d ic t i n g C l i p s e v e r d e v e l o p e d a n y p r o p r i e t a r y s o f tw a r e t o h e l p c o n t e n t o w n e r s l o ca t e p o t e n t i a l l y i n f ri n g i n g c o n t e n t o n t he service? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : Objection to the form. You know, given, you know, w e h a d h a d j u s t a v e r y l o w i n ci d e n c e o f - - o f a n y t a k e d o w n no t i c e s , s o - - s o , n o, w e d i d n ' t - - t h a t n e v e r r o s e t o t h e t o p o f o u r de v e l o p m e n t l i s t . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. Do you know if Atom ever developed any p r o p r i e t a ry t e c h n o l o g y o r s o f tw a r e t o h e l p c o n t e n t o w n e r s l o ca t e p o t e n t i a l l y i n f ri n g i n g c o n t e n t ? A. Q. N o , I d o n ' t b e l i e v e w e d id . D o y o u k n o w i f a n y d i v i s io n o f V i a c o m e v e r d e v e lo p e d , o r c o n s i d e r e d d e v e l o p i n g , a n y p r o p r i e t a ry s o f t w a r e t o h e l p co n t e n t o w n e r s , s u c h a s i t s e l f o r o t h e r s , l o c a t e p o t e nt i a l l y i n f r i n g i n g content -M R . W I L K E NS : Objection to the form. DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 183 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 14:06:17 14:06:18 14:06:20 14:06:24 14:06:26 14:06:29 14:06:29 14:06:31 14:06:33 14:06:35 14:06:40 14:06:43 14:06:54 14:06:57 14:07:02 14:07:04 14:07:05 14:07:08 14:07:12 14:07:18 14:07:25 14:07:38 14:07:41 14:07:42 A-839 S C O T T R O E SC H B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. - - o n i t s s e r v i c e s o r o t he r s ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : Objection to the form. Is your question about t e c h n o l o g y t h a t V i a c o m d e v e l o pe d ? B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A. U h - h u h. I ' m n ot a w a r e o f t e c h n o l og y t h a t t h e H o we v e r , i t m a y h a v e c o m p a n y d ev e l o p e d i t s e l f . l i c e n s e d to o l s o f t h a t s o r t . Q. D i d A dd i c t i n g C l i p s h a v e a d u r a t i o n l i m i t f o r u p l o a de d c l i p s ? A. I know we had a file size limit, and I am u n c l e a r i f w e i m p l e m e n t e d a r un - t i m e l i m i t . Q. D o y o u k n o w w h a t t h e r e a so n w a s f o r t h e file size limit? A. T h e r e w e r e m u l t i p l e r e a s on s . One was a -- y o u k n o w , w a n t i n g t o l i m i t b a nd w i d t h c o s t s , a n d a n o t h e r w as , y o u k n o w , w a n t i n g t o m a k e i t d i f f i c u lt f o r p e o p l e t o d i s t r i b u t e e x t r em e l y l o n g a n d p o s s i bl y infringing works. MR. RUBIN: E x h i b i t N um b e r 2 3 . ( R o e s c h D ep o s i t i o n E x h i b i t N u mb e r 2 3 w a s I ' d l i k e t o i n t r o d uc e R o e s c h DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 (212)705-8585 SCOTT P. ROESCH - HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL 184 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 14:07:42 14:08:03 14:08:04 14:08:07 14:08:10 14:08:14 14:08:22 14:08:29 14:08:31 14:08:31 14:08:35 14:08:37 14:08:38 14:08:41 14:08:44 14:08:47 14:08:54 14:08:56 14:09:04 14:09:16 14:09:19 14:09:20 14:09:22 14:09:27 A-840 S C O T T R O E SC H marked for identification.) B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. M r . R oe s c h , E x h i b i t 2 3 i s a w e b p a g e t h a t I p r i n t e d o u t f r o m t h e I n t e r n et A r c h i v e s h o w i n g t he t o p - r a t e d c l i p s p a g e o n t h e A dd i c t i n g C l i p s w e b s i t e o n o r a r o un d A p r i l 2 2 n d , 2 0 0 6 . As with the other p r i n t o u t s , t h e U R L i s r e f l e c t ed i n t h e a d d r e s s l i ne o f I n t e r n et E x p l o r e r . D o t h e s e pa g e s l o o k l i k e - - w el l , d o e s t h i s p a g e l o o k l i k e a n a c c u r a te c a p t u r e o f t h e A d d i c t i n g Cl i p s w e b s i t e f r o m t ha t t i m e f r a m e ? M R . W I L K E NS : B e f o r e w e g e t i n to t h e e x h i b i t , I' m g o i n g t o m a k e t h e s a m e o b j e c t i o n I m ad e t o t h e o t he r a r c h i v e - - w e b a rc h i v e e x h i b i t s t h a t have been used. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. I ' l l re s t a t e m y q u e s t i o n . Do these three p a g e s l o o k l i k e a c c u r a t e c a p t ur e s o f t h e A d d i c t i n g Cl i p s w e b s i t e i n t h a t t i m e f r a m e ? A. I t h i nk y o u r e f e r r e d t o th i s f i r s t p a g e a s t h e t o p - r at e d - Q. Y e a h , I t h i n k I m i s s - - mi s r e f e r r e d t o i t . T h e s e a r e t h r e e v a r i o u s

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