Oracle Corporation et al v. SAP AG et al

Filing 844

Declaration of Zachary J. Alinder in Support of 843 Memorandum in Opposition, to Defendants' Motion to Exclude Testimony of Paul Pinto filed byOracle International Corporation, Oracle USA Inc., Siebel Systems, Inc.. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A, # 2 Exhibit B, # 3 Exhibit C, # 4 Exhibit D, # 5 Exhibit E, # 6 Exhibit F, # 7 Exhibit G, # 8 Exhibit H, # 9 Exhibit I, # 10 Exhibit J, # 11 Exhibit K, # 12 Exhibit L, # 13 Exhibit M, # 14 Exhibit N, # 15 Exhibit O)(Related document(s) 843 ) (Alinder, Zachary) (Filed on 9/9/2010)

Oracle Corporation et al v. SAP AG et al

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EXHIBIT C
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In The Matter Of:
Oracle v.
SAP

D O N A L D REIFER - Vol. 1 June 18, 2010

H I G H L Y CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEYS' EYES ONLY

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You d e v e l o p e d an estimate using C O C O M O 11.2000 for cert ai n s o ftware for the go v e r n m e n t , a n d t hen you manage d the project thro ug h to del iver that s o f t w a r e and -- against your est i ma te .

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wa s to v eri fy Mr. P into 's est imates. W hen I do th at as co m mo n pra c tice, it typically takes a week to two weeks to do that j o b, loo k at the es t im at e s an d look at its rea lism , accu racy, cu rrenc y . In this case we had barriers in our way that m ad e it al most im poss ible to get it do ne w ithin s ix we eks. Y ou kn ow , we we re told we had all th e s ource cod e. We were not s upp lied source code in Rea dMe f iles. We w e re not to ld w he re th e s o urc e code was . We were not given intermediate results from India , w he re the source code was extracted and m a nip u la te d, as w e un de rs tan d from M r. Pinto 's deposit ion test imony, and then destroyed. We d idn't know th at. We thou ght it wo uld be a simp le j ob . There w as ve ry littl e code in that Pint o CD. But w hat w as the re was f ive routin es, so w e use d those a s we atte mpted t o unr a v el t he p rod uct CDs.

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I , SARAH LUCIA BRANN, a Ce r t i f i e d
Shorthand Rep o r t e r , hereby c e r t i f y t h a t the witness i n t h e f o r e g o i n g d e p o s i t i o n w a s b y me d u l y s w o r n t o t e l l the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in the within-entitled cause; That said deposition was taken i n shorthand by me, a d i s i n t e r e s t e d person, a t the time and place t h e r e i n stated, and that the testimony of the s a i d witness was t h e r e a f t e r reduced t o t y p e w r i t i n g , b y c o m p u t e r , u n d e r my d i r e c t i o n a n d supervision; That b efor e c ompl etion of the deposition, r e v i e w o f t h e t r a n s c r i p t [X] w a s requested. [ ] was not

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depo nent (and provided to the reporter) during the period allowed are appended hereto. I f u r t h e r certify that I a m not of cou nsel or attorney for either or any of the parties to the s a i d d e p o s i t i o n , nor i n any way i n t e r e s t e d in the e v e n t o f t h i s c a u s e , a n d t h a t I am n o t r e l a t e d t o any of the parties thereto. DATED: J une 2 5 , 2 010

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