Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. et al
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UNREDACTED NOTICE OF MOTIONS AND MOTIONS in Limine by Samsung Electronics America, Inc.(a New York corporation), Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., Samsung Telecommunications America, LLC(a Delaware limited liability company) re 1256 Order on Administrative Motion to File Under Seal, (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit C to the D'Amato Declaration, # 2 Exhibit E to the D'Amato Declaration, # 3 Exhibit G to the D'Amato Declaration, # 4 Exhibit H to the D'Amato Declaration, # 5 Exhibit J to the D'Amato Declaration, # 6 Exhibit K to the D'Amato Declaration, # 7 Exhibit L to the D'Amato Declaration, # 8 Exhibit M to the D'Amato Declaration, # 9 Exhibit N to the D'Amato Declaration, # 10 Exhibit T to the D'Amato Declaration, # 11 Exhibit V to the D'Amato Declaration, # 12 Exhibit W to the D'Amato Declaration)(Maroulis, Victoria) (Filed on 7/26/2012) Modified text on 7/27/2012 (dhm, COURT STAFF).
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
SAN JOSE DIVISION
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APPLE INC., a California
Corporation,
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Plaintiff,
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vs.
)No. 11-CV-01846-LHK
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SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD. , )
a Korean business entity;
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SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS AMERICA,
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INC., a New York corporation;
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SAMSUNG TELECOMMUNICATIONS
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AMERICA, LLC, a Delaware
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limited liability company,
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Defendants,
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BE IT REMEMBERED, that on Wednesday,
February 22, 2012, commencing at the hour of 9:12
a.m. thereof, at the offices of Morrison & Foerster,
755 Page Mill Road, Palo Alto, California, before
me, Judie A. Nicholas, a Certified Shorthand
Reporter of the State of California, there
personally appeared.
TIMOTHY BENNER,
called as a witness by the Plaintiff, who, being by
me first duly sworn, was thereupon examined and
testified as hereinafter set forth.
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firm represents Apple, Inc.
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MS. CARUSO:
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Margret Caruso of Quinn
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Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan.
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Yang from Samsung.
With me is Michelle
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THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
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Would the reporter please swear in the
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Thank you.
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witness.
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TIMOTHY BENNER,
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being first duly sworn,
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was deposed and testified as follows:
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MR. ROBINSON:
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Good morning, Mr. Benner.
Thank you for being here.
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EXAMINATION BY MR. ROBINSON
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Thank you.
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Could you please state your full name for
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the record.
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Timothy John Benner.
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Have you ever been deposed before?
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I have not.
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Q.
So the procedures are -- it's fairly
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simple, but I just want to review a few of the
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rules.
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The court reporter here is taking down
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everything that we say.
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I might speak a little
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THE WITNESS:
The question I think you're
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asking is, is there more than one.
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survey.
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There's one tracking survey?
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That I conduct.
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Q.
Thank you.
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And how does that tracking survey work?
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There's one
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You said it tracks across time; is that right?
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Yes.
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Q.
Is it the same study that is administered
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at different points in time?
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THE WITNESS:
Objection:
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Vague.
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The survey itself is
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modular.
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across time and then there are pieces that come and
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go as we look at different communication and the
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effectiveness of that communication.
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There are elements that are consistent
It's primarily brand focused, but it's
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also looking at monitoring communications, so our
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different ads and some competitive ads --
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MR. CARUSO:
Mr. Robinson, before you go
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on to another topic, I've had this Pavlovian
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response since your client announced lunch.
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Oh, I'm so sorry, I
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completely forgot.
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Let's take a break for lunch.
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THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
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and we're off record.
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(A lunch break was taken.)
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The time is 12:18 p.m.,
THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
The time is 1:24 p.m.
and we are back on the record.
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(Exhibits 1603 marked
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for identification.)
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FURTHER EXAMINATION BY MR. ROBINSON
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MR. ROBINSON:
Mr. Benner, we're back.
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Before the break we were talking about the
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Q.
tracking studies.
studies.
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I'm going to hand what you has been
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premarked as Exhibit 1603.
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Samsung Q1 '11 Deep Dive, Continuous Tracking, with
Tracking
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Bates stamp SAMNDCA00352115 through 352182.
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This is entitled
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Do you recognize Exhibit 1603?
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Yes.
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Is that your name on the bottom of the
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first page where it says "Owner"?
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Yes.
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What does that mean?
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That means I am the designated "Owner" of
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this document in terms of whose responsibility it
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is to, you know, produce it.
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Is this one of the tracking studies that
you referred to earlier in your testimony today?
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Yes, it is.
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Is Exhibit 1603 a true and correct copy of
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an STA tracking study?
study
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To the best of my knowledge, yes.
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Does STA prepare these tracking studies?
studies
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Objection:
Vague.
These studies are prepared
by an outside vendor under my supervision.
supervision
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What is the outside
vendor?
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The outside vendor's name is Hall &
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Partners.
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How often does STA receive a deliverable
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from Hall & Partners in the form of one of these
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tracking surveys?
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These tracking surveys are
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And by "these," are you
referring to the Deep Dive?
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Vague.
every quarter.
quarter.
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I am referring to the Deep Dive document,
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yes.
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by Hall & Partners -- sorry.
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Strike that.
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Are there other tracking surveys other
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receives
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Objection:
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Vague.
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Technically this is not a
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survey, this is a report.
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reports.
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There is one survey that
Thank you for that
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Is the Deep Dive Report the -- are there
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other reports besides the Deep Dive Report that STA
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receives in connection with this continuous
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tracking?
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Yes.
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What are those?
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We get weekly reports that are Topline KPI
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studies -- not studies, but reports/monitoring, and
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anything else on a request basis that we would like
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from the data within the reports, or within the
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survey.
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You referred to Topline KPA.
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KPA
What does
KPA stand for?
for
for?
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KPI.
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Sorry, KPI?
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Key Performance Index.
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And you mentioned that you receive weekly
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reports.
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Do the Deep Dive reports contain the
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information that you would receive in the weekly
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reports?
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Yes.
They are basically -- the data
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that's given on a weekly basis is
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contained/summarized in these reports.
reports.
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You also mentioned that you receive other
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reports on request.
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Can you name a few of those,
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Typically they're not reports, they're
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just looking at a particular data cut, usually in
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response to a question from out of this document.
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Can you think -- are they named anything
in particular?
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No.
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Are they large documents, or like one,
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They're usually just data.
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two-page things?
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Sometimes it's two sentences.
sentences.
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How much does STA pay to receive the Deep
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Dive reports from Hall & Partners?
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The cost has changed over time.
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THE WITNESS:
It's just a highlight of
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those particular elements or those personalities to
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draw attention to it.
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Do you see where it
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says "Significant drivers of MPSA for Samsung"?
Samsung"
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Yes.
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What does MPSA refer to?
to
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It's an acronym which we use for one of
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KP -- key performance indexes which stands for most
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preferred single answer.
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And what does that mean, in just sort of
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survey terms?
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In English, it means the answer to the
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the bottom of the page.
The question is actually in the text at
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I see?
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Now we'd like you to -- it's not,
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actually.
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It's here.
It's the answer
to a specific question.
question.
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"Among all of the mobile phone brands that
you aware of, which brand do you prefer the most."
Q.
What's the Bates number of the page you
just read from?
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It is page number 7, SAMNDCA00352121.
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Q.
Thank you.
Why does STA consider the items shown in
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the blue box on page 12 that we were looking at
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previously to be significant drivers of MPSA for
y
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Samsung?
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That's slightly misleading in what it
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They're significantly associated with the
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says.
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personality characteristics that are most
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correlated to most preferred single answer.
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Does that make sense?
Q.
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Could you maybe say that in more regular
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terms?
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a lot of statistical analysis.
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MR. ROBINSON:
Sure.
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That basically says that these personality
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Objection.
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I don't know if I can.
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It's
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indices co-vary with MPSA.
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relationship, it just means they're correlated,
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they seem to move together.
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I see.
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Could I have you turn please to page 26 of
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There's no causal
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this report Bates SAMNDCA00352140.
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352140.
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352140?
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Okay.
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Q.
Down at the bottom it looks like the
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question being asked was, "Have you seen this
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advertising on television in the past 7 to 5 days,"
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do you see that?
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Yes.
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Q.
Is that the question?
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It's actually 5 to 7 days.
days.
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Oh, I'm sorry, 5 to 7 days.
days.
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And then above the charts we see a legend
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with a blue box and an A next to it, and it
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attributed back to Samsung/Galaxy/Tab; below that
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the letter B with a green box saying attributed
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back to Apple/iPad/iPhone, and underneath there are
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various charts.
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Focusing on the chart above the
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Samsung/Galaxy/Tab,
Samsung/Galaxy/Tab, what is being depicted in that
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chart?
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This is the -- during the period of the
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survey, looking AT consumers who recognized still
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photos of the particular Samsung Galaxy Tab ad
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which is in the bottom here, so they're presented a
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photo which shows basically stills of the different
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ads and they're asked if they recognize it or not.
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If they say yes, they're asked, "Do you
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remember what brand this was for," and then it says
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that 18 percent said it was for either Samsung,
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Galaxy or Tab and 46 percent said Apple, iPad or
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iPhone.
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And that's a significant difference at the
95 percent confidence level, right?
level
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Correct.
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What this is saying is essentially nearly
y
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half of those who saw the still photo of the
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Samsung Galaxy Tab thought they were actually
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looking at an Apple advertisement?
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They were not
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looking at a photo of the Galaxy Tab, they were
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looking at a photo which showed six different
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scenes of the communication, the advertisement for
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the Galaxy Tab.
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different images.
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No, that's not correct.
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Those who saw -- is it at photo array what
they see?
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Not all of them had product in the
What do they see?
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They see six different images of different
scenes within the advertisement.
advertisement.
Q.
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And, looking at that display, then nearly
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half of those responded to this survey question
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saying that they thought what they were seeing was
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an Apple advertisement; is that right?
;
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A.
What they were looking at -- they were not
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looking at the display at this point.
They're
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relying on the recall of the advertisement and
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saying they thought that the advertisement in
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question was either an Apple iPad or iPhone
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advertisement.
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Q.
So, yes, in response to this prompt then,
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looking at -- having looked at the display of the
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Samsung Galaxy Tab still photo advertisement
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images, nearly half of the respondents said they
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thought they had seen an Apple advertisement?
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What they thought, they said, was it was
an advertisement for the Apple brand.
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In this case, this was done at a time when
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the Galaxy Tab had just been introduced and the
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iPad had been in the market for some time, and this
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is -- the sample that we're looking at here is a
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smaller sample, so there is more variation in
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there.
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Q.
What was the sample size?
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For the people who recognized the
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Galaxy -- the Samsung Tab ad, 448.
Q.
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But this result shows, does it not, that
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the misattribution back to Apple was significant at
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the 95 percent confidence level, right?
level
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Yes.
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Q.
Did STA consider it a problem that the
t
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Galaxy Tab advertisement was being misattributed to
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Apple?
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The -- as the statement here says, the
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linkage to Samsung has improved, but the Galaxy Tab
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execution -- misattribution was declined -- I'm
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sorry, this is looking at Galaxy 2.
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can't say strike that.
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because this communication should have been for the
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Galaxy Tab.
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attributed correctly to Samsung.
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However, the execution was not being
01:51
What did STA do, if anything, about the
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misattribution that was occurring between the
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Galaxy Tab and the Apple iPad?
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Objection:
Beyond the scope;
lacks foundation.
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In this case, this was --
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Samsung was breaking into the tablet market which
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was firmly established for a period of time by
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Apple being the only product available.
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remember exactly how many months that, basically,
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stronghold held.
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I can't
For the Galaxy, the first Galaxy Tab ad
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there was a great deal of misattribution.
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as awareness of Samsung's Tabs grew, so looking
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back and improving the communication to make sure
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that it was distinctive from Apple and identifiable
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as Samsung.
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Q.
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For the
Didn't the advertising change as well --
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the style of the advertising change as between the
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Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Tab 2, right?
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Objection:
Assumes facts not
in evidence; vague.
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THE WITNESS:
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Can you specify more exactly
what you're asking?
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The misattribution that
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occurred between the Samsung Galaxy Tab
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advertisement and I guess misattributed to Apple,
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that was because the advertisements were confusing,
,
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they were similar, the Samsung advertisements and
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Apple advertisements?
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MS. CARUSO:
Objection:
Calls for a legal
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conclusion; mischaracterizes the record; assumes
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facts not in evidence; vague.
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I take issue with your
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similarly confusing.
01:53
The issue wasn't that it was
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confusing, the issue was that the iPad had been
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very firmly established in the marketplace, and so
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when people saw an ad on TV that had a large
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tablet-like display, the immediate reaction is it
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must be an iPad.
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This is at a time when -- breaking into
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the market, so it's actually not unexpected to see
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that, because very few people that Samsung was
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making these products, and growing that awareness,
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changing from one to the next, is the natural
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progression of trying to break in and make people
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become more aware of Samsung as a tablet
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manufacturer.
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Q.
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Does STA disagree that the misattribution
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occurred because the Galaxy Tab looked similar to
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the Apple iPad?
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Beyond the scope;
lacks foundation.
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Objection:
THE WITNESS:
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I'm sorry, could you say it
again?
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MR. ROBINSON:
Q.
Could we have that
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question read back, please.
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Question:
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the Galaxy Tab looked similar to the Apple iPad?"
iPad?
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Objection:
Beyond the scope;
lacks foundation; mischaracterizes the record.
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THE WITNESS:
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Could you rephrase the
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question.
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The negative phrasing of the question is throwing
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me off.
I'm not sure what you're asking.
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I'm confused by the "Does STA disagree."
Q.
Do you agree that the
Galaxy Tab looks similar to the Apple iPad?
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A.
In this case, this Galaxy Tab does not.
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Q.
Why is that?
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A.
It's half the size.
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marked for identification.)
Q.
I think -- I want to show you a bunch of
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other documents.
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I'm not going to ask you detailed
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What I'm going to ask is do you recognize
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this documents, do they have your name on them, and
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are they true and correct copies of the documents
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that they are.
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Exhibits 1604 through 1613, and I'll place this
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enormous stack in front of you, and -- counsel,
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here's your copy.
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this in two phases if we wanted to go through it
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more quickly.
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They have been premarked as
And I think we can probably take
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It would be the strategy
group.
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MR. ROBINSON:
Q.
Who is involved with
the strategy group?
A.
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As mentioned earlier, Justin Denison and
his team.
Q.
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THE WITNESS:
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Lacks foundation;
calls for speculation.
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Objection:
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Thank you.
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I have no further questions at this time,
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objection by counsel --
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MS. CARUSO:
Yes.
This time we're getting
out of here.
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THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
This marks the end of
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deposition of Timothy Benner.
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2:35 p.m., and we are off the record.
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The time is
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at 2:35 p.m.)
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