Viacom International, Inc. et al v. Youtube, Inc. et al

Filing 381

DECLARATION of ANDREW H. SCHAPIRO in Opposition re: 176 MOTION for Partial Summary Judgment /Viacom's Notice of Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on Liability and Inapplicability of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act Safe Harbor Defense.. Document filed by Youtube, Inc., Youtube, LLC, Google, Inc.. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit 117, # 2 Exhibit 213, # 3 Exhibit 267 and 360)(Schapiro, Andrew)

Schapiro Exhibit 117

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U N I T E D S T AT E S D I S T R I C T C O U R T S O U T H E R N DI S T R I C T O F N E W Y O R K - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - X V I A C O M I N TE R N A T I O N A L , I N C . , C OM E D Y PARTNERS, COUNTRY MUSIC T E L E V I S I O N, I N C . , P A R A M O U N T P I C T U R E S CO R P O R A T I O N , a n d B L A CK E N T E R T A I N ME N T T E L E V I S I O N , L L C , P l a i n t i f f s, vs. Y O U T U B E , IN C . , Y O U T U B E , L L C , a n d G O O G L E, I N C . , D e f e n d a n t s. - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - X T H E F O O T B AL L A S S O C I A T I O N P R E M IE R L E A G U E L I MI T E D , B O U R N E C O . , e t a l . , on behalf of themselves and all others similarly situated, P l a i n t i f f s, vs. Y O U T U B E , IN C . , Y O U T U B E , L L C , a n d G O O G L E, I N C . , D e f e n d a n t s. - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - X H I G H L Y C O NF I D E N T I A L VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF SCOTT PAUL ROESCH PALO ALTO, CALIFORNIA THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 2009 J O B N O . 1 77 1 4 No. 07-CV-3582 No. 07-CV-2103

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H I G H L Y C O N F I D E N T I A L V I D E O T AP E D D E P O S I T I O N O F S C O T T P A U L R O E S C H , a t W I L S O N S O N S IN I G O O D R I C H & R O S A T I , 6 0 1 C a l i f o r n i a A v e n u e , P a l o A l to , C a l i f o r n i a , p u r s u a n t t o n o t i c e , b e f o r e m e , K A T H E R I NE E . L A U S T E R , C L R , C R R , R P R , CSR License No. 1894. SCOTT ROESCH SEPTEMBER 25, 2009 8:42 A.M.

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SCOTT ROESCH A P P E A R A N C E S: F O R T H E P L A I N T I F F S , VI A C O M I N T E R N A T I O N A L , I N C . : JENNER & BLOCK, LLP B y : S C O T T B . W I L K E N S, E S Q . 1099 New York Avenue, NW, Suite 900 Washington, DC 20001 Telephone: 2 0 2 . 6 3 9 .6 0 0 0 fax: [phone] [e-mail] and MTV NETWORKS B Y : M I C H E L E N A H A L L I E, E S Q . S e n i o r V i c e P r e s i d e n t, D e p u t y G e n e r a l C o u n s e l L i t i g a t i o n / I n t e l l e c t ua l P r o p e r t y 1515 Broadway N e w Y o r k , N e w Y o r k 10 0 3 6 T e l e p h o n e : 2 1 2 . 8 4 6 . 68 4 9 Fax: [phone] m i c h e l e n a . h a l l i e @ m t v n. c o m F O R T H E D E F E N D A N T S Y OU T U B E , I N C . , Y O U T U B E , L L C , a n d GOOGLE, INC.: W I L S O N , S O N S I N I , G O O DR I C H & R O S A T I , L L P B y : M I C H A E L H . R U B I N, E S Q . CAROLINE WILSON, ESQ. 650 Page Mill Road Palo Alto, California 94304-1050 phone: [phone] fax: [phone] [e-mail] [e-mail] Also Present: A R M A N DO C A R R A S C O , V i d e o g r a p h e r

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S C O T T R O E SC H d i s t r i b u t or o f i n d e p e n d e n t e n te r t a i n m e n t , a n d t h a t i n v o l v e d di s t r i b u t i o n o f c o n t en t o n t h e w e b , a n d t h r o u g h a n u m b e r o f o t h e r m e d ia c h a n n e l s , i n c l u d i ng t e l e v i s i o n, a i r l i n e s , w h e n - - v a r i o u s o t h e r channels. A n d s o t h e - - t h e b u s i n e s s m o de l w a s a d v e r t i s i ng o n t h e w e b s i t e a n d d i s t r i b u t i o n - - o r , a c t u a l l y , l i c e n s e s t o d i s t r i b ut i o n p a r t n e r s . Q. C a n y ou d e s c r i b e h o w l o n g t h a t b u s i n e s s

model was in place? A. T h e b us i n e s s m o d e l i s a c tu a l l y s t i l l i n T h e --

p l a c e a n d o f c o u r s e i t ' s e v o l ve d o v e r t i m e .

t h e w e b h as b e c o m e m o r e c e n t r al t o t h e b u s i n e s s m o d e l , a n d t h e d i s t r i b u t i o n e ff o r t s - - o r d i s t r i b u t io n c h a n n e l s h a v e b e co m e , I w o u l d s a y , s e c o n d a r y , b u t a n i m p o r t a n t s ec o n d a r y b u s i n e s s f o r us. Q. A n d o ve r t i m e y o u h a v e a dd e d o n

d i f f e r e n t t y p e s o f b u s i n e s s e s t o t h a t c o r e b u s i n e ss model? M R . W I L K E NS : question. T H E W I T N E SS : I'm sorry. C a n y o u - - c a n y ou c l a r i f y ? Objection to the form of the

Can you repeat the question?

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S C O T T R O E SC H B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. I b e l ie v e y o u t e s t i f i e d a m o m e n t a g o t h a t

t h e o r i g i na l b u s i n e s s m o d e l o f t h e c o m p a n y w a s t o f o c u s o n or i g i n a l c o n t e n t , t h e a c q u i s i t i o n a n d d i s t r i b u t io n o f o r i g i n a l c o n t en t ; i s t h a t r i g h t ? A. I d o n 't t h i n k I s a i d t h a t. We were --

w e ' r e a m ar k e t e r a n d d i s t r i b u to r o f i n d e p e n d e n t e n t e r t a i n me n t . Q. Okay. L e t - - l e t m e - - l et m e a s k y o u a H o w d i d At o m F i l m s a c q u i r e t ha t

different question.

o r i g i n a l l y, a t t h e i n c e p t i o n of t h e c o m p a n y , g o a b o u t a c q ui r i n g t h a t c o n t e n t ? A. creators. Q. A n d h ow d i d A t o m F i l m s g o a b o u t g e t t i n g W e p r im a r i l y l i c e n s e d f r om i n d e p e n d e n t

r i g h t s a n d c l e a r a n c e s t o d i s t ri b u t e t h a t c o n t e n t ? M R . W I L K E NS : question. T H E W I T N E SS : We would, through a variety Objection to the form of the

o f m e a n s , f i n d c o n t e n t t h a t w e l i k e d a n d t h o u g h t ha d c o m m e r c i a l d i s t r i b u t i o n p o t e n ti a l ; f o r e x a m p l e , w e w o u l d g o to f i l m f e s t i v a l s , w e w o u l d e n g a g e - - w e would meet the creator and -- and discuss a -- a l i c e n s i n g a r r a n g e m e n t w i t h t h em . I f w e c o u l d r e a ch

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S C O T T R O E SC H t e r m s , w e w o u l d e x e c u t e a c o n tr a c t , a n d w e w o u l d o b t a i n c l ea r a n c e s . S o w e w o u ld g e t r e p s a n d w a r r an t i e s f r o m t h e c r e a t or , a n d w e w o u l d o b t ai n c l e a r a n c e s f r o m t h e m t o a ff i r m t h a t t h e y h e l d t h e n e c e s s a r y r i g h t s t o d i s t r i bu t e t h e m a t e r i a l . Q. A n d b y " r e p s a n d w a r r a n t ie s , " w h a t w e r e

y o u r e f e r ri n g t o ? M R . W I L K E NS : question. Y o u c a n a ns w e r . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A. Y o u c an a n s w e r . Oh. Th e c r e a t o r w o u l d , i n t h e t e x t o f t h e Objection to the form of the

c o n t r a c t s , a f f i r m t h a t t h e y h el d t h e n e c e s s a r y rights to the material and the -- and the content. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. W a s t ha t a n i n v o l v e d p r o ce s s ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : sense? Can you -Objection. V a g u e.

In- -- "involved" in what

B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. W a s t he p r o c e s s o f c l e a r in g t h e r i g h t s a n d

o b t a i n i n g r e p r e s e n t a t i o n s a n d w a r r a n t i e s f r o m t h o se

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S C O T T R O E SC H i n v o l v e d in t h e c r e a t i o n o f t he c o n t e n t a n i n v o l v ed process? Wa s i t t i m e c o n s u m i ng ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : Same objection. It actually would vary

g r e a t l y b et w e e n - - f r o m d e a l to d e a l . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. B u t i n c e r t a i n c i r c u m s t a nc e s i t c o u l d b e

quite time -- time consuming? A. Q. Yes. How -- how long would you say an average

deal took to negotiate? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : O b j e c t i o n t o f o r m. I t ' s d i f f i c u l t f or m e t o - -

t o e s t i m a te t h a t , b e c a u s e t h e re w a s a w i d e r a n g e in v a r i a n c e , b u t I c a n s a y a c o u pl e o f w e e k s . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. W h y d id - - d i d A t o m f e e l i t w a s n e c e s s a r y

t o o b t a i n r e p r e s e n t a t i o n s a n d w a r r a n t i e s f r o m t h e se creators? M R . W I L K E NS : Objection to the form. And

I ' m g o i n g t o c a u t i o n t h e w i t n es s , t o t h e e x t e n t t ha t c a l l s f o r a t t o r n e y - c l i e n t p r i vi l e g e o r l e g a l a d v i ce , I i n s t r u c t y o u n o t t o a n s w e r as t o t h a t . B u t i f y o u c a n a n s w e r o t h e r w i se , g o r i g h t

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S C O T T R O E SC H ahead. T H E W I T N E SS : question? B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. W h y d id A t o m f e e l i t w a s n e c e s s a r y t o Can you repeat -- repeat the

o b t a i n r e pr e s e n t a t i o n s a n d w a rr a n t i e s f r o m t h e s e creators? A. We -- we wanted to build a business on the

d i s t r i b u t io n o f c o n t e n t , s o w e w a n t e d t o m a k e s u r e t h a t - - t ha t p e o p l e t h a t c o n t ri b u t e d t o t h e c r e a t io n o f t h e c o nt e n t w e r e - - y o u k n ow , t h a t - - t h a t - t h a t t h e y w e r e w i l l i n g p a r t i c ip a n t s i n t h e - - i n th e c r e a t i o n an d - - a n d d i s t r i b u t io n o f t h e c o n t e n t . Q. S o y o u t o o k c o p y r i g h t i s su e s s e r i o u s l y ,

a n d y o u w an t e d t o m a k e s u r e t ha t y o u w e r e - - y o u ha d c l e a r e d t he c o p y r i g h t i s s u e s wi t h t h e c r e a t o r s b e f o r e y o u d i s t r i b u t e d t h e i r wo r k s ? M R . W I L K E NS : Objection. M i s c ha r a c t e r i z e s

h i s t e s t i mo n y a n d c a l l s f o r a l e g a l c o n c l u s i o n . MR. RUBIN: I - - I d i d n ' t - - w as n ' t I was

attempting to characterize his testimony. a s k i n g a qu e s t i o n . T H E W I T N E SS : question? C a n y o u r e p e a t t he

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S C O T T R O E SC H B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. Sure. A t o m F i l m s t o o k c o py r i g h t i s s u e s

s e r i o u s l y a n d w a n t e d t o e n s u r e t h a t i t w a s c l e a r i ng c o p y r i g h t i s s u e s w i t h i t s - - wi t h t h e c r e a t o r s o f t h e c o n t e nt i t w a s i n t e n d i n g to d i s t r i b u t e b e f o r e i t d i s t r i b u t ed t h e m ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A n d y ou w o u l d n o t h a v e a dv o c a t e d a Objection. Yes. V a g u e.

b u s i n e s s mo d e l f o r A t o m F i l m s u n l e s s y o u b e l i e v e d t h a t t h a t b u s i n e s s m o d e l w o u l d h a v e b e e n i n t h e s am e v e i n o f s up p o r t i n g c o p y r i g h t in t e r e s t s o f c r e a t o r s' content -M R . W I L K E NS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. -- is that right? M R . W I L K E NS : question. T H E W I T N E SS : that. I ' m n o t s u r e I u nd e r s t a n d -- to the form of the Objection --

Y o u 'r e a s k i n g m e t o s p ec u l a t e a b o u t a

different business model? B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. N o , n ot a t a l l . I ' m s a y i ng , y o u , a s a

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S C O T T R O E SC H m e m b e r o f - - o f m a y b e , i f n o t t h e f o u n d i n g , t h e n ea r f o u n d i n g te a m o f A t o m , b e l i e v ed t h a t t h e r e s p e c t fo r c o p y r i g h t w a s i m p o r t a n t t o t h e A t o m F i l m s b u s i n e s s; isn't that right? A. Q. Yes. A n d y ou w o u l d n ' t h a v e a d vo c a t e d a

direction for the business at any point that d e v i a t e d fr o m t h a t , w o u l d y o u ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : Objection to the form. I d o n ' t t h i n k I di d a d v o c a t e

a d i r e c t i on f o r t h e b u s i n e s s th a t d e v i a t e d f r o m i t. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. S o t h e a n s w e r t o m y q u e s ti o n i s : No,

y o u w o u l d n' t h a v e a d v o c a t e d a d i r e c t i o n t h a t d e v i a t e d fr o m t h o s e c o r e p r i n ci p l e s o f r e s p e c t i n g copyright? M R . W I L K E NS : asked and answered. MR. RUBIN: Scott. I t h a s n ' t b e e n a n s we r e d , Objection to the form, and

S t op i n t e r r u p t i n g . M R . W I L K E NS : Objection. That same

objection. T H E W I T N E SS : t h a t d e v i at e d f r o m t h a t . I didn't advocate a model T h a t' s m y b e l i e f .

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S C O T T R O E SC H B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. right. D i d A t o m Fi l m s e v e r o b t a i n v e nt u r e financing? A. Q. A. Yes. F r o m wh o m ? F r o m a v a r i e t y o f s o u r c e s, a n d I ' m n o t Okay. T h a t a n s w e r s m y q u es t i o n . All

g o i n g t o be a b l e t o g i v e y o u an e x h a u s t i v e l i s t , bu t o n e w a s A ll e n & C o . , o n e w a s Ar t s A l l i a n c e . A n d , y o u kn o w , a f t e r t h e m e r g er w i t h S h o c k W a v e , y o u k n o w , o n e o f t h e i r ve n t u r e c a p i t a l i s t s ha d b e e n S e q u oi a , a n d t h e r e a r e a n u m b e r o f o t h e r s . Q. H o w m an y r o u n d s o f v e n t u re f i n a n c i n g d i d

Atom films have, either before or after the Shock W a v e m e r g er ? A. Q. I ' m n ot e n t i r e l y s u r e . D o y o u k n o w i f S e q u o i a i nv e s t e d i n t h e

c o m p a n y p os t m e r g e r w i t h S h o c k W a v e ? A. I ' m n ot s u r e . I'd be -- I would -- I --

I ' d b e s p ec u l a t i n g . Q. A. D o y o u k n o w w h e n t h e r o u nd s w e r e ? I know that there were -- there was some

a n g e l f u n di n g o f A t o m i n ' 9 8 , a n d o u r f i r s t r o u n d

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S C O T T R O E SC H o f - - o r sa y " t h e y , " I g u e s s -- w a s i n e a r l y ' 9 9 . A n d t h e n af t e r t h a t a n o t h e r - - I k n o w t h e r e w a s a t l e a s t o n e a d d i t i o n a l r o u n d , b ut I - - I d o n ' t r e c a ll when. Q. So you don't -- you can't recall the

n u m b e r o f v e n t u r e f i n a n c i n g r ou n d s t h a t A t o m h a d ? A. T h e n um b e r o f r o u n d s ? M R . W I L K E NS : answered. T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. D o y o u k n o w h o w m u c h m o n ey w a s r a i s e d , i n No. Objection. Asked and

t o t a l , t h ro u g h v e n t u r e f i n a n c in g f o r A t o m ? A. Q. I - - I d o n ' t k n o w t h e s p ec i f i c n u m b e r . D o y o u h a v e a r o u g h n u m b er ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : Objection. I -- I believe it was

2 0 m i l l i o n, p o s s i b l y s l i g h t l y h i g h e r f o r t h e A t o m - y o u k n o w , f o r t h e p r e S h o c k W av e m e r g e r a t o m F i l m s, and again, that's not -- that wasn't my area of r e s p o n s i b il i t y . on memory. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. Sure. So that's -- I'm doing that based

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SCOTT ROESCH I w a s a s k i n g y o u w h e th e r t h i s e - m a i l i s r e p r e s e n t a t i v e o f t h at i n s t a n c e . A. Q. T h i s e - m a i l r e f er s t o t h e s a m e c r e a t o r s . M e g a n O ' N e i l l a sk e d y o u t o c h e c k o u t a Do you see that?

v i d e o c l i p i n t h i s e -m a i l . A. Q. A. I do.

W h a t w a s t h a t c li p ? I b e l i e v e t h i s wa s - - I r e m e m b e r t h i s i s

an episode of a -- of what they intended to be a s e r i e s c a l l e d " C e l e b ri t y B r i c - a - b r a c T h e a t e r . " Q. A. Q. D i d y o u v i e w t h at c l i p ? I did. A n d d i d y o u b e l ie v e t h a t c l i p t o i n f r i n g e

any copyrights? MR. WILKENS: O b j e c t io n t o t h e f o r m .

C a l l s f o r a l e g a l c o nc l u s i o n . THE WITNESS: N o , I -- I b e l i e v e d t h e - -

t h e v i d e o t o b e a l l or i g i n a l m a t e r i a l t h e y ' d created. BY MR. RUBIN: Q. D i d a n y o n e a c t u al l y r e a c h o u t t o t h e m i n

r e s p o n s e t o t h e d i s c us s i o n o n t h i s e - m a i l ? A. Q. Yes. A n d w a s a d e a l ul t i m a t e l y c o n s u m m a t e d - -

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S C O T T R O E SC H A. Q. Um -- - b e tw e e n A t o m a n d t h e in d i v i d u a l s

referenced in the e-mail? A. Q. Yes. A n d d id A t o m u l t i m a t e l y ho s t a n d

distribute content created by these individuals? A. Q. Yes. I n a d di t i o n t o l o o k i n g t o Y o u T u b e f o r

c o n t e n t , do y o u e v e r r e c a l l A to m l o o k i n g t o Y o u T u be f o r f e a t u re i d e a s - M R . W I L K E NS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. -- for its service? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : o f f e a t u r es ? B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A. Q. A. A n y f ea t u r e s . W e b s i te f e a t u r e s ? Sure. Y e s , Yo u T u b e w a s a - - a we b s i t e t h a t w e Objection to the form. Would you clarify what types Objection to the form --

looked at and -- and we looked at the features on the -- on that site. Q. C a n y ou r e c a l l a n y p a r t i cu l a r f e a t u r e s

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S C O T T R O E SC H that Atom might have looked at on YouTube in an a t t e m p t t o i n c o r p o r a t e t h e m i nt o t h e A t o m F i l m s website? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : Objection to the form. We -- hm. I t h i nk - - I

t h i n k - - I t h i n k o n e f e a t u r e th a t Y o u T u b e h a d , i n a d d i t i o n to o t h e r s i t e s a t t h e t i m e , w a s a f e a t u r e t h a t a l l o we d u s e r s t o u p l o a d vi d e o s d i r e c t l y t o a - to the web side. feature. Q. I s t h at a f e a t u r e y o u u l ti m a t e l y So we -- we looked at that

i m p l e m e n t ed ? A. W e u p lo a d e d - - o r w e i m p le m e n t e d a n u p l o a d

feature on a -- initially on a -- another website t h a t w e c on t r o l l e d . Q. D o y o u - - d i d y o u , o r a n yo n e e l s e a t A t o m ,

e v e r c o n d uc t a c o m p e t i t i v e a n al y s i s o f Y o u T u b e ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : Objection to the form. W e c o n d u c t e d a n a ly s i s . I

b e l i e v e t he a n a l y s i s w a s i n t he c o n t e x t o f a - - o f p o t e n t i a l v e n d o r s f o r - - t o p ow e r a w h i t e l a b e l website. I d o n ' t r e c a l l t h e sp e c i f i c c o m p e t i t i v e

a n a l y s i s th a t w e c o n d u c t e d , b ut w e d i d a n a l y z e t h e site.

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S C O T T R O E SC H MR. RUBIN: E x h i b i t N um b e r 4 . ( R o e s c h D ep o s i t i o n E x h i b i t N u mb e r 4 w a s marked for identification.) B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. M r . R oe s c h , t h i s i s a n e -m a i l t h a t C i n d y I ' d l i k e t o i n t r o d uc e R o e s c h

E m c h s e n t t o M _ A T O M _ A t o m F i l m s _T e a m @ V i a c o m . c o m o n O c t o b e r 2 4t h , 2 0 0 7 , a n d V i a c o m p r o d u c e d i n t h i s l i t i g a t i o n, b e a r i n g B a t e s n u m be r V I A 0 2 4 7 8 7 8 9 . W h o i s C i nd y E m c h ? A. Q. A. C i n d y E m c h w a s a - - a m e mb e r o f m y t e a m . W h a t wa s h e r r o l e o n y o u r t e a m ? S h e h ad a c o u p l e o f d i f f er e n t r o l e s . I

b e l i e v e h er r o l e a t t h i s t i m e w a s p r o m o t i n g c o n t e nt o n A t o m F il m s a n d A t o m U p l o a d s o r A d d i c t i n g C l i p s ' website. Q. A. Q. A. D i d y ou r e c e i v e t h i s e - m ai l ? Yes. D i d y ou - Well, sorry. I b e l i e v e t ha t I d i d ,

b e c a u s e I w a s a m e m b e r o f t h i s A t o m F i l m s t e a m l i st . Q. Thank you. D o y o u s e e t h e f i r s t l i n e o f th i s e - m a i l ? A. Yes.

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S C O T T R O E SC H A. I ' v e re c e i v e d a d d i t i o n a l e - m a i l a d d r e s s e s .

M y p r e v i o us e - m a i l a d d r e s s e s ha v e n o t c h a n g e d . Q. W h a t e- m a i l a d d r e s s d o y ou u s e o n a d a i l y

basis for work? A. Q. I use [e-mail] or [e-mail]. D o t h e o t h e r e - m a i l a d d r es s e s y o u j u s t

referenced as having obtained following the Viacom a c q u i s i t i on o f A t o m a l l p o i n t t o o n e o f t h o s e e - m ai l addresses? A. Q. Yes, I believe so. W h e n th e s w i t c h t o V i a c o m t o o k p l a c e , d o

y o u k n o w wh a t h a p p e n e d t o t h e e - m a i l s t h a t y o u h a d o n t h e V i ac o m - - t h e A t o m e - m ai l s e r v e r ? A. Q. No. C u r r e nt l y d o y o u k n o w t h e s e r v e r o n w h i c h

y o u r e - m a il s a r e s t o r e d ? A. Q. No. G e n e r al l y s p e a k i n g , a s a p r a c t i c e , d o y o u

s a v e o r d o y o u d e l e t e y o u r e - ma i l ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : t h e s p e c i fi c e - m a i l . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. W h a t cr i t e r i a d o y o u a p p ly ? Objection to the form. It depends on the e-mail,

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S C O T T R O E SC H A. I may -- if -- if I think there's an

e - m a i l t h at I m a y w a n t t o r e f er t o a g a i n i n t h e future, I would -- you know, I might save that in a f o l d e r t h at ' s e a s i l y a c c e s s i b le t o m e . Q. A n d w ha t f a c t s d e t e r m i n e w h e t h e r o r n o t

y o u ' r e l i ke l y t o w a n t t o r e f e r t o a n e - m a i l i n t h e future? A. ( W i t n es s s h r u g s . ) I f i t ha s i n f o r m a t i o n

i n t h e r e th a t m a y b e p e r t i n e n t t o a n o n g o i n g i n i t i a t i v e o r a f a c t t h a t I m ig h t n e e d t o r e t r i e v e. Q. A. Q. J o b - r el a t e d i s s u e s , t h e n ? Yes. A r e y ou f a m i l i a r w i t h a we b s i t e k n o w n a s

A d d i c t i n g Cl i p s ? A. Q. website? A. Q. A. Q. A. I w a s r e s p o n s i b l e f o r t h at w e b s i t e . C a n y ou d e s c r i b e t h a t w e bs i t e , g e n e r a l l y ? Yes. Please do. A d d i c ti n g C l i p s w a s a w e b si t e w h e r e c o n t e n t Yes. W h a t wa s y o u r i n v o l v e m e n t w i t h t h a t

c r e a t o r s co u l d u p l o a d t h e i r m at e r i a l d i r e c t l y t o th e site.

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S C O T T R O E SC H Q. H o w d id A d d i c t i n g C l i p s l im i t t h e u p l o a d o f

materials to content creators? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : Objection to the form. T h e - - t h e s i t e wa s - - w a s

a v a i l a b l e f o r a n y b o d y t o u p l o ad . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. W a s t he f u n c t i o n a l i t y o f t h e A d - - - o f t h e

A d d i c t i n g Cl i p s w e b s i t e a l w a y s s u c h t h a t a n y b o d y c o u l d u p l oa d c o n t e n t t o t h e s er v i c e ? A. Q. No. C a n y ou d e s c r i b e t h e o r i gi n a l

f u n c t i o n a li t y o f t h e A d - - - o f t h e A d d i c t i n g C l i p s website? A. Y e s , th e f i r s t v e r s i o n o f A d d i c t i n g C l i p s

w a s a d i r ec t o r y o f l i n k s p o i n ti n g o u t t o t h i r d - p a r ty - - t o c o n t e n t o n th i r d - p a r t y w e b s i t e s . Q. W h y w ou l d A t o m c h o o s e t o l a u n c h

A d d i c t i n g Cl i p s ? A. W e l l , w e b e l i e v e d t h e r e wa s i n t e r e s t i n g

c o n t e n t o n o t h e r s i t e s t h a t u se r s w o u l d b e i n t e r e s t e d i n , a n d t h a t a - - a d i r e c t o r y o f s o m e of t h a t c o n t en t w o u l d b e i n t e r e s ti n g t o t h e m . Q. A. W h o w as i n v o l v e d i n m a k i ng t h a t d e c i s i o n ? I w a s i n v o l v e d , a l o n g w i th a c o u p l e

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S C O T T R O E SC H members of my team, and -- and some of the other A t o m E n t e rt a i n m e n t m a n a g e m e n t . Q. A. Who by name was involved in that decision? M i k a Sa l m i w a s i n v o l v e d ; P e t e r I g n a c i o ,

f o r t h e - - f o r w h a t e v e r - - I th i n k M i k a a n d P e t e r a r e p r o b a bl y t h e p r i m a r y p e o p le i n v o l v e d . Q. Would you say that anyone owned the idea? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A. Q. A. It was more collaborative then? Yes. Could you pinpoint whose idea it was? I c a n 't r e c a l l . MR. RUBIN: E x h i b i t 1 0. ( R o e s c h D ep o s i t i o n E x h i b i t N u mb e r 1 0 w a s marked for identification.) B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. M r . R oe s c h , E x h i b i t 1 0 i s a d o c u m e n t I ' d l i k e t o i n t r o d uc e R o e s c h Objection to the form. No.

V i a c o m p r od u c e d i n t h i s c a s e fr o m y o u r f i l e s entitled: " U s e r - G e n er a t e d V i d e o ( U G V ) s er v i c e R e c o m m e n d at i o n , S c o t t R , 9 / 1 6 / 05 , "

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S C O T T R O E SC H b e a r s B a t es n u m b e r V I A 0 2 9 2 7 2 82 t h r o u g h - 8 4 . D o y o u r e co g n i z e t h i s d o c u m e n t? M R . W I L K E NS : Scott. T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A. Q. A. D i d y ou d r a f t i t ? Yes. W h a t is i t ? I t ' s a d o c u m e n t t h a t b u i ld s o n i n t e r n a l I r e c o g n i z e t h e do c u m e n t . Take your time to review it,

d i s c u s s i o ns a n d a t t e m p t s t o - - a t t e m p t s t o r e c o m m en d a c o u r s e of a c t i o n . Q. A. W h a t co u r s e o f a c t i o n d o es i t r e c o m m e n d ? I ' m g oi n g t o t a k e a m i n u te a n d f i n i s h

r e a d i n g i t. Q. A. Sure. T h e d oc u m e n t r e c o m m e n d s ex p a n d i n g t h e

m i s s i o n o f A t o m F i l m s t o i n c l ud e u s e r - g e n e r a t e d video. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. number 1? A. Q. Yes. D o t h os e p o i n t s a c c u r a t e ly r e f l e c t y o u r O n t h e f i r s t p a g e , M r . R oe s c h , d o y o u s e e

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S C O T T R O E SC H r e a s o n s f or w a n t i n g t o l a u n c h a U G C w e b s i t e i n September of 2005? A. T h e y -- t h e y a c c u r a t e l y re f l e c t s o m e o f

t h e - - t h e r e a s o n s w e w a n t e d to d o t h a t . Q. All of the reasons listed here are

a c c u r a t e th o u g h , a r e n ' t t h e y ? A. Q. though? A. Yeah, as indicated in -- in Section 2, Yes. Y o u j us t i n d i c a t e d t h e r e w e r e o t h e r s ,

t h e - - w e b e l i e v e d t h a t i t w o ul d b e i m p o r t a n t a s a c o n t e n t d es t i n a t i o n , a c o n t e n t s i t e . Q. Y o u r go a l i n l a u n c h i n g t hi s U G C s i t e w a s

n o t t o p r of i t f r o m i n f r i n g i n g v i d e o s t h a t m i g h t b e u p l o a d e d or l i n k e d f r o m t h a t si t e , w a s i t ? A. Q. No. D i d y ou r e c o g n i z e t h a t b y a l l o w i n g u s e r s

t o u p l o a d m a t e r i a l t o t h e s e r vi c e d i r e c t l y , i t m i gh t b e p o s s i b le t h a t t h e y m i g h t u pl o a d i n f r i n g i n g m a t e r i a l to t h e s e r v i c e ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A n d b ef o r e l a u n c h i n g t h e s i t e y o u v e t t e d Objection to the form. Yes.

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S C O T T R O E SC H t h e l e g a l it y o f A d d i c t i n g C l i p s; r i g h t ? M R . W I L K E NS : Objection to the form.

Y o u c a n a ns w e r t h a t " y e s " o r "n o . " T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A n d y ou t h o u g h t i t w a s o pe r a t i n g w i t h i n Yes.

t h e l a w ; ri g h t ? M R . W I L K E NS : Objection to the form.

Calls for a legal conclusion. Y o u c a n a ns w e r " y e s " o r " n o . " T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A. W h e n di d t h a t s i t e l a u n c h? T h e f ir s t v e r s i o n o f t h e s i t e o f f e r i n g Yes.

u p l o a d f u nc t i o n a l i t y l a u n c h e d i n t h e s p r i n g o f 2 0 06 . Q. right? A. Q. Yes. W h e n -- a n d w h a t d i d t h e v e r s i o n b e f o r e T h e r e w a s a v e r s i o n b e f o re t h a t t h o u g h ;

t h e u p l o a d f u n c t i o n a l i t y v e r s io n p r o v i d e ? A. There was a directory of links to content

o n o t h e r si t e s . Q. launch? A n d w he n d i d t h a t v e r s i o n o f t h e s i t e

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S C O T T R O E SC H A. Q. A. Q. T h a t la u n c h e d i n l a t e 2 0 05 . Did it launch in December of 2005? That's possible. T h a t s o un d s a b o u t r i g h t .

C a n y ou d e s c r i b e h o w t h e l i n k s c o n t e n t

a p p e a r e d on t h e A d d i c t i n g C l i p s w e b s i t e ? A. of links. I r e c - - - I r e c o l l e c t t h at i t w a s a l i s t M o s t o f t h e h o m e p ag e w a s t a k e n u p w i t h a

l i s t o f l in k s . Q. A n d w ha t h a p p e n e d w h e n a u s e r c l i c k e d o n

o n e o f t h os e l i n k s ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : Objection to the form. A u s e r w o u l d b e ta k e n t o t h e

t h i r d p a r ty w e b s i t e w i t h a n A dd i c t i n g C l i p s f r a m e on t h e - - a t t h e t o p o f t h e s c r e en . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. S o t h e t h i r d - p a r t y w e b s i te w a s f r a m e d b y The third-party

a n A d d i c t in g C l i p s f r a m e - - s o rr y .

c o n t e n t w as f r a m e d b y a n A d d i ct i n g C l i p s s i t e ? A. T h e t hi r d - p a r t y w e b p a g e a p p e a r e d i n i t s

e n t i r e t y , w i t h a v e r y s m a l l A dd i c t i n g C l i p s , q u o t e - u n q uo t e , f r a m e a t t h e t op o f t h e p a g e . Q. D i d A to m a d v e r t i s e o n t h at i t e r a t i o n o f

t h e A d d i c ti n g C l i p s w e b s i t e ? A. I b e l ie v e t h e r e i s - - t h er e w e r e

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S C O T T R O E SC H a d v e r t i s i ng s o n t h e - - a d v e r t is e m e n t s o n t h e h o m e p a g e , a n d t h e r e w e r e n o t a d v e rt i s e m e n t s o n t h e f r a m e s , a nd I d o n ' t r e c a l l i f t h e r e w e r e a n y o t h e r a d v e r t i s e me n t s o n t h e s e r v i c e . Q. W h e n yo u s a y " t h e h o m e p ag e , " a r e y o u

referring to the page with the directory of links? A. Q. Yes. D i d A to m p l a c e t h e v a r i o us c l i p s i t w a s

a g g r e g a t i ng i n t o c a t e g o r i e s ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. content? M R . W I L K E NS : question. T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. questions. I see an error in one of my prior We were referring to iteration of the D i d A t o m p l ac e Yes. Objection to the form of the D i d y ou p r o v i d e d e s c r i p t io n s o f t h e O b j e c t i o n t o f o r m. I d o n ' t - - I d o n 't r e c a l l .

s i t e w h e n i t w a s l i n k i n g t o c on t e n t .

t h e v a r i o us l i n k s i t w a s a g g r eg a t i n g i n t o c a t e g o r i e s? A. I -- I don't recall.

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S C O T T R O E SC H Q. A n d y ou d o n ' t r e c a l l w h e th e r A t o m p r o v i d e d

a n y d e s c r ip t i o n s o f t h o s e l i n ks e i t h e r ? A. I d o re c a l l t h a t , a n d w e d i d p r o v i d e

d e s c r i p t i on s . Q. being? A. A m e m be r o f o u r t e a m w o u ld w r i t e t h e H o w d id t h o s e d e s c r i p t i o ns c o m e i n t o

d e s c r i p t i on s . Q. A. W h o w ou l d w r i t e t h e d e s c ri p t i o n s ? I b e l ie v e i t w a s a v a r i e ty o f p e o p l e . I

d o n ' t t h i nk i t w a s l i m i t e d t o o n e p e r s o n . I w r o t e s om e o f t h e d e s c r i p t i on s .

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b e l i e v e , wr o t e s o m e o f t h e d e sc r i p t i o n s , a n d I b e l i e v e P et e r I g n a c i o w r o t e s om e o f t h e d e s c r i p t i on s , p o s s i b l y o t h e r s . Q. A n d h ow d i d y o u o b t a i n t he i n f o r m a t i o n o n

w h i c h - - th a t y o u u s e d t o w r i te t h e d e s c r i p t i o n s ? A. Q. F r o m vi e w i n g t h e c o n t e n t . W a s a ll c o n t e n t t h a t A d d ic t i n g C l i p s l i n k e d

t o v i e w e d p r i o r t o b e i n g l i n k ed t o ? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. V i e w e d b y a n A t o m e m p l o y ee b e f o r e b e i n g Objection to the form. Yes.

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S C O T T R O E SC H linked to? A. Q. Yes. H o w d id A t o m g o a b o u t s e le c t i n g t h e c l i p s

that would be linked to on the AddictingClips website? A. B y v i ew i n g o t h e r w e b s i t e s a n d l o o k i n g f o r

c l i p s t h a t w e f o u n d e n t e r t a i n in g . Q. A. W h o w as i n v o l v e d ? Peter Ignacio, I believe, found most of

t h o s e - - mo s t o f t h e l i n k s f o r t h a t f i r s t v e r s i o n o f t h e s e r v i ce . MR. RUBIN: E x h i b i t 1 1. ( R o e s c h D ep o s i t i o n E x h i b i t N u mb e r 1 1 w a s marked for identification.) B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. M r . R oe s c h , E x h i b i t 1 1 i s a n e - m a i l d a t e d I t w a s se n t t o P e t e r I g n a c i o I ' d l i k e t o i n t r o d uc e R o e s c h

N o v e m b e r 30 t h , 2 0 0 5 .

a n d C h r i s A l b r e c h t b y y o u , w i th a n a t t a c h m e n t e n t i t l e d "P e t e C u t L i s t , " p r o du c e d b y V i a c o m i n t hi s l i t i g a t i o n, b e a r i n g B a t e s n u m be r V I A 0 8 7 1 1 3 5 8 t o -459. A. Q. D o yo u r e c a l l t h i s d o c um e n t ? Yes. A n d t he c o v e r e - m a i l , f o ur t h - - f o u r t h

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S C O T T R O E SC H p a r a g r a p h d o w n , t h e o n e b e g i n ni n g w i t h " N o t e , " i t i n d i c a t e s t h a t y o u s t a n d a r d i z ed c a t e g o r i e s . see that? A. Q. Yes, I do. D o e s th i s r e f r e s h y o u r r ec o l l e c t i o n t h a t D o y ou

t h e l i n k s A t o m e m p l o y e e s w e r e c o l l e c t i n g t o p o p u l at e t h e s i t e we r e b e i n g c a t e g o r i z ed i n t o l i n k s ? A. Q. Y e s , it d o e s . D o y o u s e e t h a t t h r e e o t he r l i n k s w e r e

"Jackass," "TV," and "Movies"? A. Q. A. Q. Yes, I do. A n d t he r e ' s a n o t h e r o n e , " M u s i c " ? Yes. W h a t we r e t h e c r i t e r i a t ha t w e r e a p p l i e d

i n - - b y At o m e m p l o y e e s w h e n se l e c t i n g l i n k s f o r th e launch and subsequent edition of clips -- clips -l i n k s t o cl i p s f o r t h e f i r s t ve r s i o n o f t h e A d d i c t i n g Cl i p s s e r v i c e ? A. Q. E n t e r ta i n m e n t v a l u e w a s a b i g c r i t e r i a . W e r e th e r e a n y c l i p s - - an y q u a l i t i e s t h a t

m a d e c l i p s a g a i n s t p o l i c y t o li n k t o ? M R . W I L K E NS : Objection to the form. And

I ' m g o i n g t o c a u t i o n t h e w i t n es s n o t t o g e t i n t o a t t o r n e y - cl i e n t p r i v i l e g e .

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S C O T T R O E SC H T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. W h a t ty p e s o f l i n k s ? M R . W I L K E NS : S a m e c a u t io n . T H E W I T N E SS : C l i p s t h a t w e r e hi g h l y That same -- same objection. Yes.

o f f e n s i v e w e r e a g a i n s t p o l i c y , a n d c l i p s t h a t w e -t h a t - - t ha t a p p e a r e d t o b e i nf r i n g i n g w e r e a g a i n st policy. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. H o w d id y o u d e t e r m i n e w h et h e r a c l i p w a s

infringing or not? M R . W I L K E NS : Objection to the form. And

I ' m g o i n g t o c a u t i o n t h e w i t n es s n o t t o g e t i n t o a t t o r n e y - cl i e n t p r i v i l e g e . T H E W I T N E SS : W e w o u l d - - w e w ou l d h a v e

c o n v e r s a t io n w i t h c o u n s e l . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. I ' m n ot a s k i n g , M r . R o e s ch , f o r a n y

c o n t e n t o f a n y c o m m u n i c a t i o n yo u h a d w i t h c o u n s e l . W h a t I ' m as k i n g i s , w h e n y o u , p e r s o n a l l y , w e r e e n g a ge d i n l o o k i n g a t o t he r s e r v i c e s a n d o t h er s i t e s o u t t h e r e o n t h e I n t e r n et i n a n e f f o r t t o l o c a t e c l ip s t o l i n k t o f r o m A- - - f r o m

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S C O T T R O E SC H B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. content. A. Q. A. I -- I don't believe so. H o w a bo u t w i t h N B C ? I d o n 't b e l i e v e s o . MR. RUBIN: Okay. T h e v i d e o g r ap h e r n e e d s A n y l ic e n s e d e a l f o r t h e d i s t r i b u t i o n o f

t o c h a n g e t h e t a p e , s o l e t ' s go o f f t h e r e c o r d . T H E V I D E O GR A P H E R : This is the end of tape

n u m b e r 1 of t h e v i d e o d e p o s i t io n o f S c o t t R o e s c h . W e ' r e n o w g o i n g o f f t h e r e c o r d. 10:49 a.m. ( S h o r t b r ea k . ) T H E V I D E O GR A P H E R : This is the beginning The time is

o f r e c o r d in g n u m b e r 2 o f v i d e o d e p o s i t i o n o f S c o t t Roesch. T he d a t e i s S e p t e m b e r 2 5 t h , 2 0 0 9 . W e ' r e b a c k o n th e r e c o r d . I ' d l i k e t o i n t r o d uc e R o e s c h T h e t i me

i s 1 1 : 0 5 a. m .

MR. RUBIN: E x h i b i t 1 4.

( R o e s c h D ep o s i t i o n E x h i b i t N u mb e r 1 4 w a s marked for identification.) B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. M r . R oe s c h , E x h i b i t 1 4 i s a d o c u m e n t I I t r e f l e c t s t he

p r i n t e d f ro m t h e I n t e r n e t A r c hi v e .

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S C O T T R O E SC H l i n k s a p p ea r i n g o n t h e A d d i c t in g C l i p s w e b s i t e u n d er t h e " T V " ca t e g o r y o n o r a b o u t J a n u a r y 1 3 t h , 2 0 0 6 . M R . W I L K E NS : I'm just going to repeat

my earlier objection about the accuracy of the I n t e r n e t Ar c h i v e . B u t w e a c c ep t y o u r r e p r e s e n t a t io n

about when it was printed out and where it came from. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. B a s e d o n y o u r r e v i e w o f th i s d o c u m e n t ,

M r . R o e s c h, d o y o u s e e a n y t h i ng i n a c c u r a t e a b o u t th e r e p r e s e n t at i o n i n t h e r e f l e c t io n o f t h e l i n k s o n t h i s e x h i bi t a b o u t w h a t w o u l d h a v e b e e n a v a i l a b l e u n d e r t h e " T V " c a t e g o r y o f A d di c t i n g C l i p s w e b s i t e o n o r a b o u t Ja n u a r y 1 3 t h , 2 0 0 6 ? M R . W I L K E NS : t h r o u g h i t. T H E W I T N E SS : t h e s e c l i ps . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. There appear to be links to content from N o , I d o n ' t r e m e mb e r m o s t o f T a k e y o u r t i m e a nd l o o k

It does not look inaccurate.

" T h e D a i l y S h o w , " " T h e C h a p p e ll e S h o w , " " T h e F a m i ly G u y , " a n d " S a t u r d a y N i g h t L i v e" ; c o r r e c t ? A. I see a link referring to "Chappelle" and

a l i n k r e fe r r i n g t o " F a m i l y G uy " a n d a l i n k t h a t

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SCOTT ROESCH says it's from "SNL." Q. D o y o u b e l i e v e th a t A d d i c t i n g C l i p s w a s

engaged in copyright infringement when it linked to these clips? MR. WILKENS: O b j e c t io n . Calls for a

legal conclusion, and I caution the witness not to r e v e a l a t t o r n e y - c l i e nt c o m m u n i c a t i o n s . THE WITNESS: BY MR. RUBIN: Q. Why not? MR. WILKENS: M r . R o es c h , I ' m g o i n g t o No.

caution you again not to reveal attorney-client communications. THE WITNESS: Because we -- we were

o p e r a t i n g w i t h i n g u i de l i n e s t h a t h a d b e e n a p p r o v e d by the legal team. BY MR. RUBIN: Q. time? A. assistant. Q. A n d y o u r e s p e c t ed t h e i r j u d g m e n t ? MR. WILKENS: THE WITNESS: O b j e c t io n t o t h e f o r m . Yes. Victoria Libin, Adam Lovingood, and the W h o w a s t h e l e g al t e a m a t t h e - - t h i s

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S C O T T R O E SC H B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. B e l i e ve d t h a t t h e y u n d e r st o o d t h e

a p p l i c a b l e a r e a o f l a w r e l e v a nt t o t h e i s s u e s t h a t g o v e r n e d th e o p e r a t i o n o f t h e A d d i c t i n g C l i p s c l i p link site? M R . W I L K E NS : question. T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. D i d y ou e v e r h a v e a n y d i sc u s s i o n s w i t h Yes. Objection to the form of the

V i c t o r i a Li b i n a b o u t t h e D M C A ? M R . W I L K E NS : " y e s " o r "n o . " T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. D i d y ou u n d e r s t a n d t h e A dd i c t i n g C l i p s l i n k Yes. Y o u c a n a n s w e r t he q u e s t i o n

s i t e t o b e p r o t e c t e d b y t h e D MC A ? M R . W I L K E NS : Objection to the form. And

I ' m g o i n g t o c a u t i o n t h e w i t n es s n o t t o a n s w e r t h e q u e s t i o n if i t i n v o l v e s r e v e a li n g a t t o r n e y - c l i e n t c o m m u n i c a ti o n s . T H E W I T N E SS : Yes. I m e a n , s i nc e - - s i n c e

m y k n o w l e dg e w a s n ' t f o r m e d b y t h e l e g a l c o n v e r s a t io n s , I ' d - - I d o n ' t - - I c a n ' t a n s w e r t ha t

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S C O T T R O E SC H w i t h o u t r ev e a l i n g . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. DMCA? A. Q. DMCA? M R . W I L K E NS : answered. T H E W I T N E SS : DMCA. B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. H a v e yo u e v e r r e a d S e c t i on 5 1 2 ( c ) o f I - - I ' v e r e a d p ar t s o f t h e Objection. Asked and I d o n 't k n o w . Y o u d on ' t k n o w w h e t h e r y ou ' v e r e a d t h e H a v e yo u e v e r r e a d S e c t i on 5 1 2 o f t h e

t h e D M C A , t h e - - t h e - - t h e p or t i o n o f t h e s t a t u t e t ha t ' s d e s i g n e d t o p r ot e c t s e r v i c e p r o v i d er s w h o h o s t ma t e r i a l u p l o a d e d a t t h e d i r e c t i o n o f users? M R . W I L K E NS : answered. MR. RUBIN: and hasn't been asked. M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : S e c t i o n 5 12 . I disagree. I d o n ' t k n o w i f I' v e r e a d H a s n ' t b e e n a n s w e r ed , S c o t t , Objection. Asked and

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S C O T T R O E SC H B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. A. numbers. Q. H a v e yo u e v e r a t t e m p t e d to g a i n a n W h a t se c t i o n s h a v e y o u r ea d ? I d o n 't - - I d o n ' t r e c a l l t h e s e c t i o n

u n d e r s t a n di n g o f w h a t t h e D M C A m e a n s , a p a r t f r o m c o n v e r s a t io n s w i t h l e g a l c o u n se l ? A. Q. I d o n 't t h i n k s o . S o y o u h a v e n o i n d e p e n d e nt b a s i s f o r

d e t e r m i n i ng w h e t h e r o r n o t t h e A d d i c t i n g C l i p s l i n k s i t e w a s op e r a t i n g w i t h i n t h e b o u n d a r i e s o f t h e DMCA? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : Objection to the form. T h e r e - - d o e s " i nd e p e n d e n t

b a s i s " - - w h a t d o e s " i n d e p e n d en t b a s i s " m e a n ? B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. I b e l ie v e y o u s a i d y o u c ou l d n ' t a n s w e r t h e

q u e s t i o n of w h e t h e r o r n o t y o u b e l i e v e d t h e D M C - -t h e c l i p -- t h e l i n k e d v e r s i o n o f t h e A d d i c t i n g C l ip s link site was operating within the confines of the D M C A b e c a us e i t w a s i n f o r m e d by c o u n s e l . I ' m a s k i n g y o u w h e t h e r y o u h a ve a n y i n d e p e n d e nt b a s i s t o r e a c h t h at c o n c l u s i o n . I ' m no t I' m

a s k i n g w h at M i s s L i b i n o r a n y on e e l s e t o l d y o u .

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S C O T T R O E SC H a s k i n g w h at y o u u n d e r s t a n d y o ur s e l f , b a s e d o n t h e operation of the service. A. manner. Q. I n c l u di n g w i t h i n t h e c o n fi n e s o f t h e D M C A , I b e l ie v e w e w e r e o p e r a t in g i t i n a l e g a l

a n d c o n s i st e n t w i t h t h a t l a w ? M R . W I L K E NS : question. Objection to the form of the

And I instruct you not to answer if the

a n s w e r t o t h e q u e s t i o n w o u l d re v e a l t h e c o n t e n t s of a t t o r n e y - cl i e n t c o m m u n i c a t i o n s. T H E W I T N E SS : Yeah, I -- I -- I don't have

a n i n d e p e nd e n t a s s e s s m e n t o n -- o n t h a t i s s u e . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. Okay. S o l e t ' s j u s t b e c le a r . I'm not

a s k i n g y o u w h e t h e r y o u w e r e t ol d b y s o m e o n e e l s e t h a t i t w as p r o t e c t e d b y t h e DM C A o r n o t . I ' m a s k i n g b a s e d o n y o u r o w n vi e w . If

s o m e o n e t ol d y o u , i n o r d e r t o b e p r o t e c t e d , y o u n ee d t o d o X , Y, a n d Z , I ' m n o t a s ki n g y o u w h a t t h a t statement was. I'm asking you, based on your then u n d e r s t a n di n g o f h o w i t w o r k e d, d i d y o u c o m e t o t he c o n c l u s i o n t h a t i t - - t h a t s e rv i c e w a s p r o t e c t e d by the DMC or not?

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S C O T T R O E SC H M R . W I L K E NS : M r . R o e s c h , i f y ou r

u n d e r s t a n di n g i s b a s e d o n i n s tr u c t i o n s w i t h c o u n s el , I i n s t r u c t y o u n o t t o a n s w e r th a t q u e s t i o n , b u t i f - - i f -- i f y o u h a v e i n d e p en d e n t k n o w l e d g e a p a rt f r o m w h a t y o u - - y o u r d i s c u s s io n s w i t h c o u n s e l , y ou c a n a n s w e r. MR. RUBIN: W i l d l y o v e r b r o a d i ns t r u c t i o n ,

S c o t t , o n e n o t a p p l i e d i n o u r d e p o s i t i o n s , a n d t h is i s a n a b s ol u t e l y i m p r o p e r i n s tr u c t i o n . b l o c k i n g im p o r t a n t d i s c o v e r y . M R . W I L K E NS : You're seeking to invade the It's

a t t o r n e y - cl i e n t p r i v i l e g e . MR. RUBIN: the record clear. Absolutely not. I have made

I h a v e n o in t e r e s t i n h e a r i n g

a n y t h i n g th a t w a s t r a n s m i t t e d b e t w e e n c o u n s e l . I ' m a s k i n g f o r M r . R o e s c h ' s i nd e p e n d e n t u n d e r s t a n di n g - M R . W I L K E NS : MR. RUBIN: He understands --- based on the way the

c o m p a n y h e w a s r u n n i n g w a s o p er a t i n g , a n d i f h e c a n n o t t e st i f y , a s t h e g e n e r a l m a n a g e r o f t h e c o m p a n y , wh e t h e r h e u n d e r s t o o d t h a t i t w a s o p e r a t in g w i t h i n t h e c o n f i n e s o f t h e D M CA , b a s e d o n h i s o w n i n d e p e n d e nt k n o w l e d g e , t h e n h e c a n s o s t a t e , b u t if

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S C O T T R O E SC H y o u ' r e g o in g t o i n s t r u c t h i m no t t o a n s w e r b a s e d on a p o t e n t i al c o n v e r s a t i o n h e m ay h a v e h a d , t h a t i s improper. M R . W I L K E NS : r e c o r d v e ry c l e a r . M i c h a e l , l e t ' s m ak e t h e

H e ' s a l r e ad y t e s t i f i e d , a n d i f

y o u l o o k ba c k i n t h e t r a n s c r i pt , i t ' s q u i t e c l e a r t h a t h e d oe s n ' t h a v e i n d e p e n d en t k n o w l e d g e . I ' m i n s t r uc t i n g h i m n o t t o a n sw e r i f - - i f h e - - i f he ' s - - i f w h a t h e w ou l d s a y w o u l d r e v e a l a c o n v e r s a t io n w i t h a n a t t o r n e y . proper. Y o u ' r e a s ki n g a b o u t l e g a l a d v ic e o n t h e D M C A , a n d I ' m i n s t r u c t i n g h i m n o t t o a n s w e r o n t h at b a s i s o n l y. answer. I f h e h a s i n d e p e nd e n t k n o w l e d g e h e c an That's completely

H e' s a l r e a d y t e s t i f i ed h e d o e s n ' t h a v e t ha t

knowledge. T H E W I T N E SS : I'm not clear on the

a p p l i c a b i li t y o f t h e r e l a t i o n o f t h e D M C A t o V e r s io n 1 o f t h e Ad d i c t i n g C l i p s s e r v i ce . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. right? A. Q. I was. A n d y ou w e r e c o m f o r t a b l e t h a t i t w a s B u t y ou w e r e i n c h a r g e o f t h a t s e r v i c e ;

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S C O T T R O E SC H operating in a legal manner? A. Q. Yes. Do you know if that -- if AddictingClips

h a d a r e g is t e r e d D M C A a g e n t w it h t h e c o p y r i g h t office at that period of time? A. Q. I d o n 't k n o w . D o y o u k n o w i f A d d i c t i n g Cl i p s h a d a D M C A

r e p e a t i n fr i n g e r p o l i c y p r o m i ne n t l y d i s p l a y e d o n it s w e b s i t e i n t h a t p e r i o d o f t i m e? M R . W I L K E NS : question. T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. policy is? A. I - - I b e l i e v e i t ' s a p o li c y s t a t i n g D o y o u k n o w w h a t a D M C A re p e a t i n f r i n g e r I don't know. Objection to the form of the

c o n s e q u e n ce s f o r m i s u s e o r f o r v i o l a t i n g t h e D M C A . B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. W h a t wa s t h e r e p e a t i n f r in g e r p o l i c y o f

t h e A d d i c ti n g C l i p s l i n k s i t e ? A. I -- I don't know. I - - I' m s o r r y .

W o u l d - - co u l d - - a n d w h a t t i me p e r i o d a r e w e t a l k i n g a bo u t ? Q. T h e - - a t l a u n c h o f t h e cl i p l i n k s i t e ,

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SCOTT ROESCH AddictingClips. A. Q. A. I - - I d o n ' t k n ow . Do you know what it was at any point? I - - I h a v e p r o ba b l y s o m e p a r t i a l

recollection. Q. A. Please explain. Repeat offenders would have their

m e m b e r s h i p s r e m o v e d fr o m - - f r o m t h e w e b s i t e i n l a t e r v e r s i o n - - i n th e l a t e r v e r s i o n o f t h e A d d i c t i n g C l i p s w e b s i te . Q. And how did you determine whether someone

was repeat or not? A. Q. A. ( N o a u d i b l e r e s po n s e . ) I n t h e d e f i n i t i on y o u j u s t u s e d . I f - - i f w e o b s er v e d m u l t i p l e v i o l a t i o n s

of a site policy. Q. A. Q. I s t h a t m o r e t h an o n e ? Yes. D o y o u k n o w i f ex c e p t i o n s w e r e e v e r m a d e

to that policy? A. Q. A. Q. I don't know. W h o w o u l d k n o w th a t ? L e g a l m a y k n o w th a t . W h o i n l e g a l w o ul d k n o w t h a t ?

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S C O T T R O E SC H A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. V i c t o ri a . I s t h at V i c t o r i a L i b i n ? V i c t o ri a L i b i n . Is it Libin? I t ' s Li b i n . Sorry. I ' v e b e e n p r o n o u n ci n g i t w r o n g .

W h i l e y o u w e r e o p e r a t i n g t h e li n k s i t e , a n d t a k i n g c l i p s t o t h e f i r s t i t e r a t i o n , d o y o u k no w w h e t h e r t he c o m p a n y e v e r r e c e iv e d a N o t i c e o f A l l e g e d I nf r i n g e m e n t p u r s u a n t t o t h e D M C A ? A. Q. I d o n 't r e c a l l a n y . But it may have happened? M R . W I L K E NS : T H E W I T N E SS : B Y M R . R U BI N : Q. I a s k ed y o u w h e t h e r y o u re c a l l w h e t h e r o r Objection to the form. W h a t w a s t h e q u e st i o n ?

n o t , d u r i ng t h e o p e r a t i