Viacom International, Inc. et al v. Youtube, Inc. et al

Filing 381

DECLARATION of ANDREW H. SCHAPIRO in Opposition re: 176 MOTION for Partial Summary Judgment /Viacom's Notice of Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on Liability and Inapplicability of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act Safe Harbor Defense.. Document filed by Youtube, Inc., Youtube, LLC, Google, Inc.. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit 117, # 2 Exhibit 213, # 3 Exhibit 267 and 360)(Schapiro, Andrew)

Schapiro Exhibit 267

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U N I T E D S T A T E S D I S T R I CT C O U R T F O R T H E S O U T H E R N D I S TR I C T O F N E W Y O R K

VIACOM INTERNATIONAL, INC., COMEDY P A R T N E R S , C O U N T R Y M U SI C . T E L E V I S I O N , I N C . , P A RA M O U N T PICTURES CORPORATION, and BLACK E N T E R T A I N M E N T T E L E V I SI O N , L L C ,

) ) ) ) ) ) Plaintiffs, ) ) vs. ) NO. 07-CV-2203 ) Y O U T U B E , I N C . , Y O U T U BE , L L C , ) and GOOGLE, INC., ) ) Defendants. ) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ) ) T H E F O O T B A L L A S S O C I A TI O N P R E M I E R ) L E A G U E L I M I T E D , B O U R NE C O . , e t a l . , ) o n b e h a l f o f t h e m s e l ve s a n d a l l ) o t h e r s s i m i l a r l y s i t ua t e d , ) ) Plaintiffs, ) vs. ) NO. 07-CV-3582 ) Y O U T U B E , I N C . , Y O U T U BE , L L C , a n d ) GOOGLE, INC., ) ) Defendants. ) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ) HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF DOUG HERZOG PALO ALTO, CALIFORNIA F R I D A Y , J A N U A R Y 1 6 , 20 0 9

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JANUARY 16, 2009 9:40 a.m.

H I G H L Y C O N F I D E N T I A L VI D E O T A P E D D E P O S I T I O N O F D O U G H E R Z O G , a t W I L S ON S O N S I N I G O O D R I C H & R O S A T I , 6 0 1 S o u t h C a li f o r n i a , P a l o A l t o , C a l i f o r n i a p u r s u a n t to n o t i c e , b e f o r e m e , A N D R E A M . I G N A C I O H O WA R D , C L R , C C R R , R P R , C S R License No. 9830.

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 805 Third Avenue, New York, New York 10022 [phone]

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A P P E A R A N C E S:

F O R T H E P L A I N T I F F S V I AC O M I N T E R N A T I O N A L I N C . : JENNER & BLOCK By: S U S A N J . K O H L M A N N, E s q .

919 Third Avenue, 27th Floor N e w Y o r k , N e w Y o r k 1 0 02 2 - 3 9 0 8 [phone] s k o h l ma n n @ j e n n e r . c o m

F O R T H E D E F E N D A N T S Y O UT U B E , I N C . , Y O U T U B E , L L C a n d GOOGLE, INC.: W I L S O N S O N S I N I G O O D R IC H & R O S A T I By: D A V I D H . K R A M E R , Es q . BART E. VOLKMER, Esq. 650 Page Mill Road Palo Alto, California 94304-1050 ( 6 5 0 ) 3 2 0 - 4 7 4 1 d k r a m er @ w s g r . c o m ; [e-mail]

ALSO PRESENT: Michelena Hallie, MTV Networks Mark Morril, Viacom J a n T r u d e l l , V i d e o g r ap h e r .

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DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 805 Third Avenue, New York, New York 10022 [phone]

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HERZOG s e q u e n c e of t h e f i l m o n Y o u T u be ; d o y o u ? M S . K O H L M AN N : T H E W I T N E SS : M R . K R A M E R: right; do you? A I don't know. M S . K O H L M AN N : M R . K R A M E R: s e n s e o f eq u i t y ? A It's -- No. M S . K O H L M AN N : M R . K R A M E R: Q it -A Q A Y o u T u b e t h i n k s i t ' s o k a y to s h o w . So you think it's okay to show? You -- YouTube -M S . K O H L M AN N : T H E W I T N E SS : M R . K R A M E R: to show -A Q Y o u ' d ha v e t o a s k Y o u T u b e . W e l l , th a t ' s a g o o d q u e s t io n , s i r . Y o u c a n ' t t e l l w h e t h e r i t ' s a ut h o r i z e d o r Objection. - - t h i n k s i t ' s o ka y t o s h o w . Q. I f Y o u T u b e t h in k s i t ' s o k a y I t ' s o n Y o u T u be . Objection. Right. Q. Objection. D o e s t h a t a p p ea l t o y o u r Objection. I don't know. Q. Y o u d o n ' t t h i nk t h a t ' s

D o e s t ha t m a k e i t - - d o e s t h a t m e a n t h a t

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 805 Third Avenue, New York, New York 10022 [phone]

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HERZOG not; right? A Q A I -- I -- I -- I can't -- I -D i d y o u t hi n k - - - c o u l d I t e l l w h e t h e r t h a t ' s a u t ho r i z e d ? It's

N o , I ' m n o t su r e w h e t h e r I c a n o r I c a n' t , y e a h .

n o t m y - - i t 's n o t m y - - I d i d n ' t p u t i t u p t h e r e , a n d i t ' s n o t - - it d o e s n ' t b e l o n g t o a n y t h in g t h a t I ' v e , y o u k n o w , q u ot e , " b e e n i n v o l v e d i n t h e m a k i n g o f , " l i k e , y o u k n ow , t h e M T V V i a c o m - - t h e MT V N e t w o r k s V i a c o m c o n t e nt s o . . . Q What would you need to know what -- in order

to determine whether it was authorized or not? A Q A I ' m n o t s ur e . C a n y o u t hi n k o f s o m e t h i n g s t h a t w ou l d h e l p ? That would clarify copyright? No. O n l y i f it p e r t a i n s t o , y o u k n o w ,

s o m e t h i n g , a ga i n , t h a t e i t h e r I p u t u p t h e r e p e r s o n a l l y o r t h a t I k n e w m y c o m p a n y w as i n v o l v e d with. Q A Q A Y o u c o u l d n' t t e l l o t h e r w i s e ? I ' m n o t s ur e I c o u l d . You don't think you could? I d o n ' t t hi n k I c o u l d . MS. KOHLMANN: Objection.

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 805 Third Avenue, New York, New York 10022 [phone]

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HERZOG MR. KRAMER: Q. One of the songs on the

S o n g s o f t h e Y e a r C D f or 2 0 0 8 w a s D o w n i n t h e H o l e b y Steve Earle; right? A Q Yes. Okay. W h a t v i d e o on t h e Y o u T u b e s e r v i c e d i d

y o u l i n k t o f r o m y o u r bl o g i n c o n n e c t i o n w i t h t h a t song? A Q A Q A Q I think a clip from the show. Clip from the show The Wire? The Wire, right. On HBO; right? Yes. D o y o u h a v e a n y i d ea w h e t h e r H B O a u t h o r i z e d So r r y , T h e W i r e , y e s .

t h a t c l i p f r o m i t s s h ow T h e W i r e t o b e o n t h e Y o u T u b e service? A Q None. D i d y o u h a v e p e r m i ss i o n f r o m H B O t o p r o v i d e a

l i n k t o t h e c l i p f r o m th e s h o w , T h e W i r e , o n Y o u T u b e ? A Q A Q I didn't know. D o y o u k n o w w h o u p lo a d e d t h e c l i p ? I don't. Do you know if that person had authorization

to do so? A I don't.

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 805 Third Avenue, New York, New York 10022 [phone]

Schapiro Exhibit 360

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DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]

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DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]

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fr om whi ch the us er can up loa d v id eo to a Flu x p age ? MS . K OHL MAN N: fo rm. Yo u c an ans wer . A. Yo u c an onl y u plo ad vid eo fr om Ob jec tio n a s t o

yo ur own de skt op. Q. Yo u c an als o - - s tri ke th at.

Fl ux use r i s a lso gi ven th e o pti on of im bed din g c ont ent or im por tin g a n U RL in to his Fl ux pag e. Is tha t r igh t? A. Q. Co rre ct. An d w hen a use r c hoo ses t o i mbe d

co nte nt Flu x d isp lay s a s a de fau lt Yo uTu be as a s our ce for vi deo co nt ent . Is th at cor rec t? MS . K OHL MAN N: A. Ob jec tio n.

I' m n ot sur e I un der sta nd th e

qu est ion . C an you sa y i t a gai n? Q. Wh en a u ser of th e F lu x n etw ork

el ect s t o i mbe d c ont ent to hi s pu bli she r s ite , F lux di spl ays Yo uTu be as th e d efa ult si te to sea rch fo r vid eo co nte nt. Is th at cor rec t? MS . K OHL MAN N: A. Ob jec tio n.

I' m s orr y. It' s - - y our q ues tio n

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]

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is co nfu sin g m e. Whe n a us er imb ed s co nte nt wha t i s d isp lay ed is wha tev er th e c ont ent of th e s our ce sit es im bed . We do n't ha ve any co ntr ol ove r t ha t. Q. Su re. Wh en a p ubl ish er hi ts the

up loa d v ide o b utt on wit hin th e F lux pl atf orm he 's giv en thr ee opt ion s, co rre ct? A. Q. Ye s. On e i s u plo ad vid eo, on e is

im bed vi deo an d o ne is imp ort vi de o, ri ght ? A. Q. A. Mo re or les s, yes . Is th ere so met hin g i mpr eci se ? Ye s. It' s u plo ad vid eo, s ear ch

fo r v ide o a nd imb ed vid eo. Th e t wo -th e l att er two ar e b oth im bed s b ut th e me ans of do ing it -- on e i s f or us er wh o k now s t he act ual de sti nat ion , y ou kn ow, kn ows th e p erm ali nk for th e vid eo an d o the r t hin g i s a pe rso n w ho do n't kn ow the pe rma lin k f or the vi deo b ut th ey' re bot h i mbe ds. Q. Th e u ser is se arc hin g f or vi deo s

in th at cas e, doe sn' t F lux di spl ays

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]

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Yo uTu be as the de fau lt sou rce fo r se arc hin g f or vid eos to im bed to t he pu bli she r's Fl ux pag e? A. I don 't kno w w het her it d oes no w

or no t. At som e p oin t i n t ime i t m ay ha ve bee n t he fir st sel ect ion . Q. We re you re spo nsi ble fo r the

de sig n c hoi ce of You Tub e t o b e t he fi rst se lec tio n w hen us ers se arc h f or vi deo to im bed in to the ir Flu x p ag e? MS . K OHL MAN N: Ob jec tio n.

Mi sst ate s t he rec ord . Y ou can an swe r. A. I don 't kno w t hat it w as a

ch oic e a s m uch as Yo uTu be had pr ov ide d an AP I a nd oth er peo ple ha dn' t, so I' m no t s ure th at the re was a spe cif ic ch oic e t o p ut You Tub e f irs t. Q. We ll, Yo uTu be was on e o f the

se lec tio ns in a d rop do wn men u w he n us ing th e F lux pl atf orm wa s s ear chi ng fo r v ide o, rig ht? A. Ye s. MS . K OHL MAN N: ca n a nsw er. Q. An d t hat wa s d isp lay ed ba sed on Ob jec tio n. You

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]

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co de tha t w as wri tte n b y s ome one , co rre ct? MS . K OHL MAN N: fo rm. Yo u c an ans wer . A. Q. Su re. An d t he ind ivi dua l w ho wr ote Ob jec tio n t o

th at cod e m ade a spe cif ic des ign c hoi ce to in clu de You Tub e a s a so urc e f ro m wh ich a Flu x u ser co uld se arc h f or vi deo co nte nt, ri ght ? A. Q. Su re. My qu est ion is we re you

re spo nsi ble fo r t hat co din g d esi gn ch oic e? MS . K OHL MAN N: ca n a nsw er. A. I' m s ayi ng I d on' t r eme mb er us Ob jec tio n. You

ev er hav ing a spe cif ic dis cus sio n o n wh ich on e t o p ut fir st. I thi nk th at if an yth ing it mi ght ha ve bee n t he or der th at the de vel ope r d id it in. Bu t the re wa s n eve r a ny dis cus sio n o ver le t's p ut th is one ov er thi s o ne or any thi ng li ke th at. Q. Bu t t her e w as a d isc uss io n a bou t

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]

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wh eth er or not Yo uTu be sho uld be in clu ded at al l i n t he sou rce s f ro m wh ich a use r c oul d i mbe d c ont ent t o h is Fl ux pag e, cor rec t? MS . K OHL MAN N: ca n a nsw er. A. It wa s a lwa ys ass ume d t ha t - - I Ob jec tio n. You

do n't th ink th ere wa s a ny dis cus sio n ab out sh oul d w e n ot. It wa s j ust t her e wa s n eve r - - t her e w as nev er a poi nt in ti me tha t w e w ere di scu ssi ng not d oin g th at. Q. Wh y w as it a g ive n t ha t Y ouT ube

wo uld be us ed as a s our ce for s ear chi ng fo r v ide o c ont ent to im bed to Fl ux pa ges ? MS . K OHL MAN N: fo rm. Yo u c an ans wer . A. Be cau se it was on e o f the Ob jec tio n a s t o

le adi ng vid eo sha rin g s ite s. Can we ta ke a b rea k f or one se con d? I nee d t o as k y ou -MS . K OHL MAN N: VI DEO GRA PHE R: Su re. Ti me is 12: 53

p. m. Goi ng off th e r eco rd.

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]

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(W her eup on, a lun ch rec ess is ta ken .) VI DEO GRA PHE R: Ti me is 1:3 6 p .m.

We 're ba ck on the re cor d. Q. Go od aft ern oon , M r. Der n. Be for e

th e b rea k w e w ere di scu ssi ng Flu x's de cis ion to us e Y ouT ube as a sou rc e fr om whi ch its us ers co uld se arc h for vi deo co nte nt to imb ed to its -- t o th eir us er pag es and yo u h ad men ti one d th at the re was a You Tub e A PI tha t Flu x em plo yed . W hat wa s t hat AP I? A. Q. A. Q. Th e s ear ch API . An d t hat ca me fro m Y ouT ub e? Co rre ct. An d h ow did Fl ux gai n acc ess to

th at API ? A. I bel iev e A PI is pub lic ly

av ail abl e. I'm no t s ure wh at you 're as kin g. Q. Di d F lux ha ve con ver sat ion s wit h

an yon e a t Y ouT ube ab out us ing Yo uTu be AP I? A. No t t o m y k now led ge. MR . V OLK MER : I'l l m ark Ex hib it

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]

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10 . (D ern -10 , i nte rne t i nte rfa ce is re cei ved an d m ark ed for id ent ifi cat ion .) Q. Ex hib it 10 is a p rin tou t fro m

th e i nte rne t t hat I mad e a co upl e day s ag o. It sho ws use r i nte rfa ce on th e Fl ux net wor k w hen a use r c lic ks on th e up loa d u ser . D oes th at loo k f ami lia r to yo u? MS . K OHL MAN N: I' ll obj ect to

yo u u sin g t his do cum ent bu t I 'll a llo w yo u t o a nsw er que sti ons . A. Ye s. It -- it loo ks li ke the

in ter fac e m ore or le ss. Q. An d t he ste p o ne of th e u plo ad

vi deo s p age sa ys tha t a us er can s ear ch Yo uTu be and mo re, up loa d f rom co mpu te r an d i mpo rt fro m U RL. Is th at rig ht ? A. Q. Co rre ct. An d I th ink we di scu sse d thi s

ea rli er but th e t itl e o f t his us er pa ge is up loa d v ide os but wh en a u ser se lec ts "se arc h Y ouT ube an d m ore " o r "i mpo rt fro m U RL" , t hos e f unc tio ns ar e

DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC. 450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 2803, New York, NY 10123 [phone]