Anwar et al v. Fairfield Greenwich Limited et al
Filing
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DECLARATION of Savvas A. Foukas in Opposition re: #775 FIRST MOTION to Certify Class.. Document filed by PricewaterhouseCoopers Accountants Netherlands N.V., Pricewaterhousecoopers L.L.P.. (Attachments: #1 Exhibit A, #2 Exhibit B, #3 Exhibit C, #4 Exhibit D, #5 Exhibit E, #6 Exhibit F, #7 Exhibit G, #8 Exhibit H, #9 Exhibit I, #10 Exhibit J, #11 Exhibit K, #12 Exhibit L, #13 Exhibit M, #14 Exhibit N, #15 Exhibit O, #16 Exhibit P, #17 Exhibit Q, #18 Certificate of Service)(Maguire, William)
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A. Uh-huh.
Q. Reads, "The Fund allocates the
predominant portion of its assets to a strategy
described as 'split-strike conversion' (see
'Investment Policies')."
Do you recall reading this sentence?
A. Vaguely, yes.
Q. And if you can turn now to 15749, I'm
looking at the paragraph, the first full
paragraph under "Escrow Bank and Custodian" and
specifically the second sentence of that
paragraph, which reads, "Bernard L. Madoff
Investment Securities ('BLM' and, together with
other qualified entities with which
sub-custodial arrangements may be made, the
'Sub-Custodians,' and each, singularly, a
'Sub-Custodian') serve as sub-custodians for
certain assets of the Fund."
Do you recall reading that?
A. Yes.
Q. And what was your understanding of
what that meant?
A. That the fund had a custodian, which
was Citco, and sub-custodians as well.
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have been sub-custodians involved as well.
Q. So are you saying that when the
strategy was -- withdrawn.
You said that you assumed that there
might have been sub-custodians involved; is that
right?
A. Based on this statement, yes.
Q. So were you making an assumption or
were you -- withdrawn. So you didn't know
whether sub-custodians were involved when the
strategy was being activated?
A. We didn't know when the strategy was
being activated or not. This statement stated
that there might be sub-custodians.
Q. The statement -- can you point to
where it says that there might be
sub-custodians?
A. If you go to the part that says
"Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities ('BLM'
and, together with other qualified entities,
which sub-custodian arrangements may be
made..."), from that point.
Q. I'm sorry, continue.
A. Yes, based on this, the main custodian
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Q. And what was your understanding of
what a sub-custodian was?
A. A sub-custodian, based on my
understanding, is someone who would hold the
security on behalf of the fund, in the end
reporting to the main custodian.
Q. And so, according to this, was it your
understanding that Bernard L. Madoff was a
sub-custodian for certain assets of the fund?
A. And other qualified entities, yes.
Q. So it was your understanding that not
only did Bernard -- did Bernie Madoff implement
the split-strike strategy, but that he was also
a sub-custodian of the funds?
A. At the point of implementation, I
assume that either Bernard Madoff or other
qualified sub-custodians would be involved.
Q. You said "at the point of
implementation"?
A. Yes.
Q. Can you explain what you mean by that?
A. When the strategy was being activated,
basically the long equities and the long put and
the short call, I would assume that there might
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and sub-custodians were being appointed.
Q. Did you believe based on this that
there was any point in time when Bernard Madoff
would not be serving as the sub-custodian for
certain assets of Sentry?
A. Yes.
Q. So, just so I'm clear, so you did
believe that at some points, at some moment,
Bernie Madoff would not be the sub-custodian?
A. Yes.
Q. And can you explain when did you
believe those moments would be?
A. When the strategy was in Treasuries, I
assumed the custody would go to Citco.
Q. And did you -- did you perform any -any due diligence to verify that assumption,
that at some point the -- at some point Bernard
Madoff would not be the sub-custodian?
A. I did not have access to that
information.
Q. Did you speak with anyone about that?
A. No.
Q. Did you talk to Fairfield about that?
A. No.
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Q. Did you speak to any other non-SICO
third parties about that?
A. No.
Q. And I'm going to direct your attention
now to that paragraph right underneath, the
second full paragraph under "Escrow Banking
Custodian," the third sentence that begins,
"currently." It says, "Currently, BLM has
approximately 95 percent of the Fund's assets
under custody."
Do you recall reading this sentence?
A. I must have read it a long time back,
yes.
Q. And what was your understanding of
what this meant?
A. That the implementation is being
activated or the strategy is being implemented.
Q. When it says that BLM has -withdrawn. When it says here that BLM has
approximately 95 percent of the fund's assets
under custody, what did you -- what did you
understand that to mean?
A. That the fund manager is implementing
the strategy.
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had 95 percent of the fund's assets under
custody -- withdrawn. You understand that this
sentence talks about custody, not
implementation, correct?
A. To implement the strategy, my
understanding was Bernie Madoff would be
involved in that.
Q. But you do see here where it says that
95 percent of the fund's assets would be under
Bernie Madoff's custody, do you see that?
A. Yes, I see that.
Q. As far as you understand, is there a
difference between someone being a custodian of
funds and somebody implementing a strategy to
invest those funds?
A. Yes.
Q. If you could turn back to the first
page, 15724. It's the top e-mail page, you
testified that you did read this July -- this
PPM; is that correct?
A. Yes, I did.
Q. And according to this e-mail, if you
look at the top, it was attached to this e-mail.
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The e-mail was sent on March 24, 2004. Do you
see that?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you read this PPM on or about the
date that this e-mail was sent?
A. I don't recall exact dates.
Q. I'm not looking for an exact date now.
Can you say approximately, based on this e-mail,
when you read this PPM?
A. I can't pinpoint exactly when I read
the PPM.
Q. Can you generally say when you read
this PPM, again, not looking for a pinpoint?
A. No, it would be hard for me.
Q. Did you read this PPM prior to the
2004 investment?
A. I assume, yes.
Q. Ms. Rahman, I'm now going to read you
a list of names, and I just want you to listen
and tell me if you recognize any of these names.
Is that okay?
A. Sure.
Q. Okay. The first name is Walter M.
Noel?
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A. Sorry. Could you repeat the question,
please?
Q. Sure. I'm going to read a list of
names. There's not going to be any question
attached. All I'm asking you is when you hear
each name, just tell me if you have -- if you've
ever -- if you recognize that name. Do you
understand?
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. Walter M. Noel, Jr.?
A. I don't -- I don't recall it.
Q. And if you don't know, you can just
say "I don't know" or "no," that's fine.
A. Go ahead.
Q. Just so we're sure it's clear, so
Walter M. Noel, Jr.?
A. I don't recall the name.
Q. Jeffrey Tucker?
A. I don't recall the name.
Q. Andres Piedrahita?
A. No.
Q. Amit Vijayvergiya?
A. I don't recall the name.
Q. Gregory Bowes, B-O-W-E-S?
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Q. Cornelis Boele -- Boele, excuse me,
B-O-E-L-E?
A. I don't recall the name.
Q. David V. Horn?
A. I don't recall the name.
Q. Robert A. Blum, B-L-U-M?
A. I don't recall the name.
Q. Lourdes Barreneche?
THE WITNESS: Sorry. Could you give
me a second, please. Can I take break?
MR. SABIN: You want to take a break?
THE WITNESS: Yes, I feel a bit dizzy.
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 3:47.
We're going off the record.
(Recess.)
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 4:15.
We're back on the record.
MR. SABIN: The witness passed out and
we're therefore adjourning the deposition
for now.
MR. DIVINE: It will remain open.
Everybody reserves their rights with respect
to the deposition, and everybody I think in
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I, Kathy S. Klepfer, a Registered
Merit Reporter and Notary Public within and
for the State of New York, do hereby
certify:
That ABDUL RAHMAN SAIF, the witness
whose deposition is herein before set forth,
was duly sworn by me and that such
deposition is a true record of the testimony
given by such witness.
I further certify that I am not
related to any of the parties to this action
by blood or marriage and that I am in no way
interested in the outcome of this matter.
In witness whereof, I have hereunto
set my hand this 26th day of September,
2011.
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the room, including plaintiffs' counsel, all
agree that that is the appropriate course.
MR. GLASSER: Yes.
MS. PIERCE: Yes.
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 4:16,
this is the end of the deposition, September
20, 2011.
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TESTIMONY OF A. RAHMAN:
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Exhibit 1, a document bearing Bates Nos. SICO 39
0001683 through 1730
Exhibit 2, a document bearing Bates Nos. SICO 39
0001731 through 1781
Exhibit 3, a document bearing Bates Nos. SICO 39
0001782 through 1835
Exhibit 4, a document bearing Bates Nos. SICO 81
0000628 through 640
Exhibit 5, a document bearing Bates Nos. SICO 89
0000610 through 621
Exhibit 6, a document bearing Bates Nos. SICO 91
0000607 through 609
Exhibit 7, a document bearing Bates Nos. SICO 95
0002021 through 2024
Exhibit 8, a document bearing Bates Nos. SICO 101
0005216 through 5220
Exhibit 9, a document bearing Bates Nos. SICO 107
0008685 through 8687
Exhibit 10, a document bearing Bates Nos. SICO 113
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PricewaterhouseCoopers?
A. Probably, yes.
Q. Do you recall any specifics about
those interactions?
A. I don't recall specifics, but
PricewaterhouseCoopers are, as I said, one of
the Big Four audit firms and we must have
interacted one way or another.
Q. Okay. So let's take a look at Exhibit
21, which was one of the new exhibits you were
shown this morning. And this is the Director's
Report and financial statements for the year
ending December 31, 2007 and 2006 for Fairfield
Sentry.
You testified earlier today that SICO
would have received this report either from
Fairfield or Citco; is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And would that be true for all of the
audited financial statements for Fairfield
Sentry that Citco received -- or, that SICO
received?
A. Could you re- -- could you restate the
question, please?
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Q. For all of the audited financial
statements of Fairfield Sentry that SICO
received -A. Uh-huh.
Q. -- is it true that SICO would have
received those statements from either Fairfield
or Citco?
A. Yes.
Q. So SICO never would have received,
never received any of these statements directly
from PricewaterhouseCoopers; is that correct?
A. No. Yes.
Q. Do you know how often SICO received an
audited financial statement for Fairfield
Sentry?
A. There are annual reports that we
received and probably other reports, but I don't
know exactly how frequent were they.
Q. Would it be fair to say that you
received the annual reports every year?
A. I'm not sure if we received them every
year.
Q. Did SICO receive audited financial
statements for other funds in which SICO was
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invested?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you personally review the audited
financial statements for Fairfield Sentry?
A. Yes.
Q. Which ones do you recall reviewing?
A. I'm not sure of the dates, but if I
have a copy of them, I will go through the
financials.
Q. How did you personally receive the
audited financial statements that you reviewed?
A. I don't recall exactly was it a soft
or hard copy, but if I have the audited, I would
definitely go through them.
Q. Do you recall whether you reviewed
them? I know you said you don't recall if you
received them via hard copy or soft copy, but do
you recall whether your practice was to review
them in hard copy or just electronically?
A. We would probably have them printed
out if they were soft copies.
Q. Did you discuss your review of the
audited financial statements for Fairfield
Sentry with anyone at SICO?
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A. No.
Q. Did you discuss the audited financial
statements for Fairfield Sentry with anyone at
Fairfield?
A. No.
Q. Did you contact anyone at
PricewaterhouseCoopers to discuss the audited
financial statements for Fairfield Sentry?
A. No.
Q. So, after you would personally review
the financial statements, what was your practice
with -- with what the copy that you reviewed?
Would you keep them? Would you file them?
A. Yes, we tried.
Q. And do you believe that that would
have been in a hard copy file or would you have
kept them in like an electronic folder on your
computer?
A. If they were hard copies, we will file
them. If they were soft copies, they would be
in the e-mails.
Q. After your practice of reviewing and
then filing the statements that you reviewed,
would you take any other action with respect to
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A. No.
Q. So I'm going to move now into some
questions about PricewaterhouseCoopers
(Netherlands). I may say "PwC (Netherlands)" or
"PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands)." Do you
understand they will be the same firm?
A. Yes.
Q. Prior to this litigation, have you
ever heard of PricewaterhouseCoopers
(Netherlands)?
A. To me, all represent
PricewaterhouseCoopers.
Q. So you have not heard specifically of
PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands); is that
correct?
A. As I said, it all represents
PricewaterhouseCoopers in the end.
Q. I understand your answer. I just want
to know if you have ever heard of the
Netherlands office of PricewaterhouseCoopers.
MR. GLASSER: Objection to form.
A. I don't recall it.
Q. In connection with SICO's investment
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contact PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) to
discuss that investment?
A. No.
Q. Is that true whether we're talking
about PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) or
any PricewaterhouseCoopers office?
A. Yes.
Q. Would your answer be the same with
respect to SICO's investment in 2005?
A. In terms of contacting
PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands)?
Q. Correct.
A. Yes.
Q. And is the same also true with respect
to the investment in 2008?
A. Yes.
Q. So is it fair to say that at no time
in connection with the investment
in Fairfield -- with SICO's investment in
Fairfield Sentry, did you have any contact with
PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands)?
A. Yes.
Q. So, just to make sure we're clear, you
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(Netherlands) concerning SICO's investment in
Fairfield Sentry at any time?
A. No.
Q. You had no communications with anyone
at PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands), oral or
in writing, concerning SICO's investment in
Fairfield Sentry at any time?
MR. GLASSER: Objection to form.
A. I don't recall that.
Q. Do you recall -- do you recall ever
receiving any materials prepared by
PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) other than
the financial statements we talked about in
connection with the -- with SICO's investment in
Fairfield Sentry?
A. I don't recall that.
Q. In any of your communications with
Fairfield Greenwich Group concerning SICO's
investment in Fairfield Sentry, did you ask
Fairfield about who the auditors of Fairfield
Sentry were?
A. It was stated in the documents that we
received.
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Q. Did you ever inquire about contacting
the auditors of Fairfield Sentry within your
conversations with Fairfield Greenwich Group?
A. No.
MS. PIERCE: Just give me one second,
please.
(Pause.)
MS. PIERCE: I think that's all the
questions I have for now. I might have some
follow-up after the next attorney, but I
appreciate your time.
THE WITNESS: Thank you.
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MR. TRESSLER:
Q. Good morning, Mr. Saif.
A. Good morning.
Q. My name is David Tressler. I'm with
the law firm of Kirkland & Ellis in Chicago,
Illinois, and I represent PricewaterhouseCoopers
(Canada), one of the PricewaterhouseCoopers
defendants in this case.
You are aware that there are separate
PricewaterhouseCoopers defendants in this case,
right?
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A. I became aware of that, but to me all
of you represent PricewaterhouseCoopers.
Q. Do you know which
PricewaterhouseCoopers firm audited Fairfield
Sentry's financial statements for which years?
A. No.
Q. Mr. Saif, you have Exhibit 21 in front
of you, I believe?
A. Yes.
Q. First one. If you could turn to Bates
number page 170.
A. Yes.
Q. What do you understand this, this page
to be, Mr. Saif?
A. This is the audit report that comes
from PricewaterhouseCoopers.
Q. And who is the audit report addressed
to?
A. Directors and shareholders of
Fairfield Sentry.
Q. And in the upper right-hand corner,
you notice that it has a letterhead?
A. Yes.
Q. And this is from
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Accountants, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Based in Toronto, Ontario, Canada?
A. Yes.
Q. Is this one of the financial
statements that you reviewed in connection with
the subsequent investments in 2008 that SICO
made in Fairfield Sentry?
A. I'm not sure of when we received this
audited report, but if it was on record, we
would have skimmed through it, yes.
Q. And do you understand that the
financial statements are the responsibility of
the company's management?
A. Could you rephrase that?
Q. In the middle of the -- of the
letter -A. Uh-huh.
Q. -- in front of you, there's a line
one, two, three, four, five, six lines down from
the top.
(Document review.)
Q. In the course of your review of these
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financial statements, if and when you reviewed
them, would you have reviewed this letter?
A. Yes.
Q. And is that a statement that you would
have understood to mean that the financial
statements are the responsibility of the
company's management?
A. Preparing the financial statements is
the responsibility of the company. The auditors
will audit the accuracy or up to the degree of
the sample they receive in terms of documents
and account-related financials.
Q. And you testified earlier that you
received these financial statements from either
Fairfield or from Citco?
A. Yes.
Q. But not from PricewaterhouseCoopers,
correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Mr. Saif, if you have the exhibits in
front of you, I would like to refer to Exhibit 8
and Exhibit 10. If you could take a minute and
pull those out.
MR. GLASSER: 8 and?
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MR. TRESSLER: 8 and 10. If we need,
we can go off the record for a minute and
get those.
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 9:30.
We're going off the record.
(Pause in the proceedings.)
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 9:33.
Back on the record.
BY MR. TRESSLER:
Q. Mr. Saif, I just passed you copies of
what was -- what were marked as Exhibits 9 and
10 yesterday and you reviewed with counsel
yesterday.
A. Yes.
Q. If you -- if you pull out Exhibit 9.
A. Yes.
Q. Just to refresh, you recall having
received this e-mail or having sent the first
e-mail and having received the e-mail from Mr.
Mallis on September 3?
A. My e-mail was the last in the chain,
so the first e-mail was Nada Jamsheer, and then
Mr. Mallis, and mine would be the last.
Q. Correct. And this is a discussion
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over e-mail regarding SICO's consideration of an
additional investment in 2008 in Fairfield
Sentry?
A. Yes.
Q. Correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And the message from Mr. Mallis was
that Fairfield was still making money in 2008;
is that your understanding?
A. Yes.
Q. And then as a result of SICO's
understanding of Fairfield Sentry's consistent
returns in 2008, SICO wanted to increase its
exposure in 2008?
MR. GLASSER: Objection to form.
A. To be precise, I don't have the exact
performance for 2008, but from what I recall is
that they performed better than the market and
that was one of the reasons why we decided to
increase the allocation, and the justification
for performing better than the market was that
Fairfield Sentry was invested in Treasuries.
Q. So you understood that Fairfield
Sentry was performing better than the market in
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2008?
A. Yes.
Q. And that was the reason that you made
your additional investment in 2008?
A. Yes.
Q. If you could just turn then to Exhibit
10 in front of you.
A. Yes.
Q. This is an e-mail to Mr. Mallis from
Nada Jamsheer?
A. Yes.
Q. And again, yesterday you recalled
having reviewed and received this e-mail?
A. Yes.
Q. And attached to the e-mail was a memo
regarding SICO's proposal to increase its
investment in Fairfield Sentry in 2008?
A. Yes.
Q. Right? The memo is dated September 7,
2008?
A. Yes.
Q. And on the last page of the memo, the
page Bates-numbered SICO 8057 -A. Yes.
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Q. -- there is information there provided
by Nada Jamsheer of Investment & Treasury of
SICO regarding Fairfield Sentry's financial
performance during the calendar year 2008,
correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And is this what you were referring to
just a few minutes ago when you said that the
basis for SICO's additional investment in 2008
was Fairfield Sentry's performance in 2008?
A. Yes.
Q. Where did SICO receive this
information about Fairfield Sentry's financial
performance in 2008?
A. I wouldn't recall exactly the source,
but I would assume it would be from fact sheets,
Website of Fairfield.
Q. And you understand that there was no
audit of Fairfield Sentry's 2008 performance at
the time that this memo was prepared?
A. Yes.
Q. Mr. Saif, I would like to turn
specifically now to PwC (Canada). You spoke
with counsel about PwC (Netherlands) and so I
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would like to ask a few questions specifically
about PwC (Canada).
A. Yes.
Q. You haven't -- you didn't have any
communications with PwC (Canada) directly -A. No.
Q. -- did you?
And you didn't have any meetings with
anyone from PwC (Canada)?
A. No.
Q. You didn't have any written
communications with anyone from PwC (Canada); is
that right?
MR. GLASSER: Objection to form.
A. Could you be specific?
Q. Sure. I'll rephrase it.
Did you have any written
communications back and forth with anyone from
PwC (Canada)?
MR. GLASSER: And just to clarify, do
you mean did he send or is it -MR. TRESSLER: I'll rephrase and ask
each question.
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Q. Did you send any communication in
writing to PwC (Canada)?
A. No.
Q. Did you receive from PwC (Canada) any
written correspondence?
A. No.
Q. And before SICO made its investments
in Fairfield Sentry, no one from SICO, to your
knowledge, contacted PwC (Canada)?
A. No.
MR. TRESSLER: I don't believe I have
any more questions, Mr. Saif. Thank you.
THE WITNESS: Thank you.
MR. GLASSER: And I would just -Anybody else?
(No response.)
MR. GLASSER: I would just like to ask
a couple of follow-up questions.
EXAMINATION BY
MR. GLASSER:
Q. Mr. Saif, earlier you had testified
that one of the reasons that SICO understood
Fairfield Sentry's performance to be consistent
was the fact that at times it would be invested
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in Treasuries; is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And what document supported your
understanding that SICO -- that Fairfield Sentry
was invested in Treasuries?
A. We saw it in the financials, we saw
the Treasuries that were being presented.
MR. GLASSER: Thank you. No further
questions.
MR. DIVINE: We're done.
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 9:42.
This is the end of deposition September 21,
2011.
oOo
____________________
ABDUL RAHMAN SAIF
Subscribed and sworn to
before me this day
of
2011.
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INDEX
TESTIMONY OF A. RAHMAN:
Examination by Mr. Sabin
Examination by Ms. Izquierdo
Examination by Ms. Pierce
Examination by Mr. Tressler
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SAIF EXHIBITS:
PAGE
Exhibit 21, a document bearing Bates Nos.
222
SICO 0000162 through 190
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CERTIFICATE
STATE OF NEW YORK )
: ss
COUNTY OF NEW YORK)
I, Kathy S. Klepfer, a Registered
Merit Reporter and Notary Public within and
for the State of New York, do hereby
certify:
That ABDUL RAHMAN SAIF, the witness
whose deposition is herein before set forth,
was duly sworn by me and that such
deposition is a true record of the testimony
given by such witness.
I further certify that I am not
related to any of the parties to this action
by blood or marriage and that I am in no way
interested in the outcome of this matter.
In witness whereof, I have hereunto
set my hand this 27th day of September,
2011.
------------------------------KATHY S. KLEPFER, RPR, RMR, CRR, CLR
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