Anwar et al v. Fairfield Greenwich Limited et al

Filing 787

DECLARATION of Savvas A. Foukas in Opposition re: #775 FIRST MOTION to Certify Class.. Document filed by PricewaterhouseCoopers Accountants Netherlands N.V., Pricewaterhousecoopers L.L.P.. (Attachments: #1 Exhibit A, #2 Exhibit B, #3 Exhibit C, #4 Exhibit D, #5 Exhibit E, #6 Exhibit F, #7 Exhibit G, #8 Exhibit H, #9 Exhibit I, #10 Exhibit J, #11 Exhibit K, #12 Exhibit L, #13 Exhibit M, #14 Exhibit N, #15 Exhibit O, #16 Exhibit P, #17 Exhibit Q, #18 Certificate of Service)(Maguire, William)

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Exhibit I Page 1 1 A. KAUFMAN 2 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 3 SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ------------------------------------x PASHA S. ANWAR, et al., 4 5 6 Plaintiffs, Civil Action No. 09-CV-0118(VM) vs. 7 FAIRFIELD GREENWICH LIMITED, et al., 8 Defendants. ------------------------------------x 9 10 11 VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF ALON KAUFMAN 12 New York, New York 13 July 27, 2011 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Reported by: 24 KATHY S. KLEPFER, RMR, RPR, CRR, CLR 25 JOB NO. 40466 TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 282 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN like Ella, about this Madoff scam. Q. Has Harel considered bringing suit against Credit Suisse? A. I don't know. You should ask the legal -- Legal Department of Harel. I'm not familiar. Q. Do you know? A. I don't know if. I don't know. MS. FEINBERG: Nothing further. EXAMINATION BY MS. PIERCE: Q. Mr. Kaufman, my name is Betsy Pierce. And I know it's late in the day. Sometimes my questions might sound similar to each other, but they're going to be a little bit different, so just be patient with me and I ask you to pay close attention. If you don't understand something, just let me know and I'll try to rephrase it. A. Okay. Q. First of all, do you know who audited the Fairfield Sentry Fund? A. Yes. We know that PwC audited the Fairfield Sentry Fund. TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 283 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN Q. And how do you know that PwC audited the Fairfield Sentry Fund? A. First it was mentioned in all the fact sheets, presentations, and as you shown me before, I probably received some audit sheet, audit balance sheet from the fund -- financial statements, sorry, from the fund. Q. Are the -- the documents that you just referred to, are those documents that you received from Credit Suisse? A. I don't remember if it was from -- I believe it was from Credit Suisse, yes, yes. Q. And is it your testimony that all of the fact sheets and all of the presentations and all of the materials that you received referenced PricewaterhouseCoopers as the auditor of Fairfield Sentry? A. I -- I cannot tell you about 100 percent, but I believe in most of these presentations and fact sheets PwC was mentioned as an auditor of the fund. Q. Can you remember right now which, specifically which documents referenced PricewaterhouseCoopers as the auditor of TSG Reporting - Worldwide Page 284 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN Fairfield Sentry? A. I think it was in all the fact sheets. They published a monthly fact sheet, and I believe in any fact -- any monthly fact sheet it was mentioned. Q. And you're referring to monthly fact sheets that were prepared by Fairfield Greenwich Group? A. Yes. Yes, and were on the Website of FGG. Q. Do you remember when you first learned that PricewaterhouseCoopers was the auditor for Fairfield Sentry? A. Yes, from the beginning we saw it as very important, very important that they have an auditor as PwC. Q. And generally speaking, not in connection with this case or with Fairfield Sentry, are you familiar with the firm PricewaterhouseCoopers? A. We're familiar of Pricewaterhouse, yes, yes. Q. Do you have an opinion yourself of PricewaterhouseCoopers as an accounting firm? TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 877-702-9580 Page 285 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN A. I didn't -- I didn't have any specific due diligence on this firm, but we know it's a well-established auditor firm. Q. And did you take comfort in knowing that PricewaterhouseCoopers audited the Fairfield Sentry Fund? A. Yes. Q. Are you aware that PricewaterhouseCoopers is made up of many different firms in many different countries? A. I believe, I believe so, yes. Q. What is your understanding of PricewaterhouseCoopers' role in this litigation? A. I believe Pricewaterhouse should have audited -- audited the performance and the -the assets of the fund and should provide it accurate to the -- to the investors in the financial statement. Q. Do you know which of the PricewaterhouseCoopers firms audited Fairfield Sentry? A. I don't remember the exact name. That's why I refer to PwC as general, like the questions about Citco. I know there are a few TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 72 (Pages 282 to 285) Page 286 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN entities with the name PwC. Q. You testified earlier that you believe you received financial statements for Fairfield Sentry. Do you recall that testimony? A. You just showed me one of the exhibits that I received it from -- from Credit Suisse, so I believe I have received it. Q. Do you know -- so just for clarification, are you referring to Exhibit 4? A. It wasn't in Exhibit 4. It was in Exhibit -- a different exhibit. DDQ. DDQ plus the financial statement was -Q. I think the DDQ and financial statements is, unless I have written it down incorrectly -MR. ROETHER: Yes, I have Exhibit 4 as well. Q. -- is Exhibit 4. So can you put Exhibit 4 in front of you. A. Yes. Yes, I'm sorry, I'm -- I looked at another exhibit. Yes, you are correct. Q. Okay. So you -- do you believe that you reviewed this financial statement for TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 287 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN Fairfield Sentry? A. I might have. That's what's mentioned in this e-mail, so I believe I might have seen it, yes. Q. Did you discuss this financial statement with anyone at Credit Suisse? A. I don't recall doing so. Q. Did you try to contact PricewaterhouseCoopers to discuss this financial statement? A. No. Q. Okay. Now I'm going to switch to asking you questions about PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) and I might refer to PwC (Netherlands). A. Okay. Q. If that's okay. You'll understand I'm talking about the same firm. So, prior to this litigation, had you ever heard of PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands)? A. We heard, as I mentioned before, we heard specifically -- generally about the firm PwC. I wasn't familiar with any branches or -- TSG Reporting - Worldwide Page 288 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN or companies out in the world. Q. So you're -- you are not -A. I specifically know. I wasn't aware of the Netherlands, PwC Netherlands. Q. Prior to the decision for Harel to initially invest in Fairfield Sentry in 2003, did you have any contact with PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) concerning the Fairfield Sentry investment? A. No. Q. So you did not speak to anyone at PwC (Netherlands) concerning the Fairfield Sentry investment on behalf of Harel? A. Not that I recall. Q. And prior to your -- prior to the decision to invest Harel in Fairfield Sentry in 2003, you did not request any materials from PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) with respect to the investment in Fairfield Sentry; is that correct? A. That's correct, yes. Q. Is it also correct that you didn't review any materials prepared by PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) concerning TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 877-702-9580 Page 289 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN your investment in Fairfield Sentry? MR. VICKERY: Objection to form. A. I reviewed this financial statement on Exhibit 4. I don't know if it's connected to Netherlands specifically. Q. Prior to the decision for Harel to invest in Fairfield Sentry in 2003, are you aware if PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) made any representations directly to you about the Fairfield Sentry funds' investment in securities? A. Made direction? Q. I'll repeat it. A. Again, it's late and I'm not so concentrated. So, again. Q. Prior to Harel's decision to invest in Fairfield Sentry in 2003, did PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) make any representations directly to you about the Fairfield Sentry Fund's investment in securities? MR. VICKERY: I'm going to object on form. Just the concept of directly to you is sort of vague in my mind. You might want TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 73 (Pages 286 to 289) Page 290 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN to explain that. If you mean did they talk or communicate directly to each other, if that's directly, then that's fine, but if it's, you know, this may be viewed, since it has -- you know what it says in front, it could be viewed as a direct communication. So I think it has to be a little more precise. BY MS. PIERCE: Q. Okay. I'm going to -- I'm going to rephrase. Again, prior to your decision, prior to Harel's decision to invest in Fairfield Sentry in 2003, what representations do you think you received from PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) with respect to whether Fairfield Sentry Fund was invested in securities? A. If I remember, I think the -- this financial statement or maybe other financial statements where the contact between us getting information from PwC. Q. Besides the financial statements that you may have reviewed, did you receive anything else from PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 291 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN that made a representation to you that the Fairfield Sentry Fund was invested in securities? A. I believe not. Q. Similar question, but a little different: Did -A. Can you ask slowly? You run and I -Q. Aside from the financial statements -A. Yes. Q. -- that you may have reviewed, did PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) ever make any representations to you that they were verifying the existence of the Fairfield Sentry Fund's holdings? A. And what I understand is the holdings were in the financial statements, but what -Q. So aside from the financial statements -A. Besides from that, we didn't -- I don't recall we obtaining any other information besides the financial statement. Q. And regarding the financial statements that you may have reviewed -A. Yes. TSG Reporting - Worldwide Page 292 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN Q. -- you did not reach out to anyone at PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) to discuss the contents of those statements; is that correct? A. I believe that's correct, yes. Q. Okay. Now let's shift our attention to after that initial investment. A. Okay. Q. But prior to the subsequent investment in 2006. A. Okay. Q. Prior to Harel's 2006 investment in Fairfield Sentry, did you have any communications with PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) concerning the Fairfield Sentry investment? A. I believe we haven't, we haven't in connection -- in connection with PwC. Q. So between 2003 and 2006, you don't believe you had any connection with PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands) -- any communications with PricewaterhouseCoopers (Netherlands)? MR. VICKERY: Objection to form. TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 877-702-9580 Page 293 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN A. As I recall, the only contacts we had -- we didn't have any direct contact besides receiving these financial documents through Credit Suisse. Q. And -A. If this answers your question. Q. Besides the audited financial statement that we've looked at in Exhibit 4, did you receive any other financial statements prepared by PricewaterhouseCoopers in connection with the Fairfield Sentry investment? A. Might have. I really don't recall. Q. Okay. Prior to Harel's first investment in 2003 in Fairfield Sentry, did you ask anyone if the fund was audited? A. Of course it was published in -- in all the presentations and fact sheets, and the fund mentioned it; when we spoke with the fund, they mentioned it was audited by PwC, and Credit Suisse mentioned it. Q. But did you -A. So it was an important issue, I think. Q. Is it your testimony that you saw that information in those materials? You saw that -- TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 74 (Pages 290 to 293) Page 294 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN is it your testimony that you saw that PricewaterhouseCoopers was the auditor of Fairfield Sentry in the materials you just described? A. Yes. Yes. Q. Did you actually ask anyone who audited the fund prior to the Harel's investment? A. Someone who audited the fund is PwC. Who audited the fund? Q. My question is did you -A. Yes. Q. -- as a part of your role at Harel, did you ask anyone who the auditor was of the Fairfield Sentry Fund? A. I'm sorry. If I asked whom? Someone in Harel or -- or -Q. Do you recall at any time, prior to knowing that Fairfield Sentry was audited by PricewaterhouseCoopers, do you recall asking anyone if the fund was audited? A. It was -- it was in all presentations. Why should I ask anyone if it was audited? But it was mentioned -- TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 295 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN Q. Is it your -A. We spoke with -- with Credit Suisse and with the fund, and they -- they actually they mentioned it, so I didn't need to ask them if -- if it was audited. Q. Okay. I just want to -- I'm just trying to clarify some of the today's testimony. That's all that I'm trying to do. A. Okay. Okay. Q. So you don't believe that you asked that question. Is it correct that you think you were told that the fund was audited? A. Yes. Yes. I might have asked, but I really don't remember if I was asked or was told or -- but I got this information. Q. Could you look at -- let's see -- so, generally, Exhibits 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 -- let me make sure I have those right. Okay, take a second to look over them just so you are familiar. These are documents that you discussed earlier. A. Yes. Q. And these reflect questions that you asked of Credit Suisse about Fairfield Sentry TSG Reporting - Worldwide Page 296 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN before Harel's investment, is that correct? A. Yes. Q. So you asked several different questions about Fairfield Sentry, about the fund's performance, correct? A. I would like to refer to Exhibit 5. These are the questions I asked about -- because you referred to a few exhibits and -Q. Okay. A. -- I would like to -Q. So let's start with Exhibit 5. A. Okay. Q. You asked four questions? A. Yes. Q. Right? A. Yes. Q. Did any of those questions relate to the audited financial statements of the Fairfield Sentry Fund? A. Question number 4 may have referred to it, but -Q. You believe that question number 4 that refers to page 16, question 17.6 of the due diligence questionnaire, which mentions TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 877-702-9580 Page 297 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN portfolio data that Credit Suisse would provide or that Fairfield Greenwich Group would provide, you contend that that portfolio data has to do with audited financial statements? A. Might also do with financial statements because a portfolio where data appears in the financial statement. I believe other questions do not refer to financial statements. Q. Did any of those questions concern the auditor of Fairfield Sentry? A. Can you explain the question? What do you mean "concern the auditor"? If -Q. There's no reference in your questions to PricewaterhouseCoopers, correct? A. Yes. Correct. Q. And just going back to Exhibit 4 really quickly, it was your testimony earlier that you didn't actually recall receiving the due diligence questionnaire and the audit report. Is that correct, that that was your initial testimony? A. Yes, it's correct, but I might have received it, yes. TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 75 (Pages 294 to 297) Page 298 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN Q. Okay. Let's look quickly at Exhibits 11 and 12. Exhibit 11 is -- the last page is the correspondence from Credit Suisse in February 2005. A. 11? Q. So the last page of that exhibit. MR. VICKERY: Which page are you on? MS. PIERCE: Exhibit 11. THE WITNESS: Page 6? BY MS. PIERCE: Q. Page 6, correct, thanks, is the e-mail that you received from Credit Suisse advising investors in Fairfield Sentry to redeem, correct? A. That's correct, yes. Q. And then based on this exhibit, and I believe also Exhibit 12, which was referring to a meeting -- excuse me, a conference call that you would have with Fairfield, you contacted Fairfield to discuss Credit Suisse's concerns about Fairfield Sentry, right? A. Yes. Q. Did you contact anyone else to discuss Credit Suisse's concerns about Fairfield Sentry? TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 299 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN A. I don't recall doing so. Q. Do you recall contacting the fund's auditors to discuss Credit Suisse's concerns about Fairfield Sentry? A. No, I didn't contact. Q. You did not contact the auditors? A. I did not contact Pricewaterhouse. Q. On the March 9, 2005 conference call that you had with Fairfield, which is referenced in Exhibit 12, to discuss Credit Suisse's concerns as to Fairfield Sentry, do you recall asking Fairfield any questions about the fund's auditors on that call? A. Might have. It appears on page 8 that Pricewaterhouse is the auditor. Q. And -A. They may have referred to this -- that they actually been audited by a large firm as PwC. Q. And again, you would have taken comfort that a large firm like PwC was auditing Fairfield Sentry? A. Precisely. Q. Did you, on that call, did you ask for TSG Reporting - Worldwide Page 300 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN to see any additional audit reports for the fund? A. I don't remember if I did. Q. If you did review any additional audit reports for Fairfield Sentry, do you believe you would have kept those for your records? A. I believe so. Q. Do you know whether other audit reports besides the one in Exhibit 4 have been produced? A. I don't, I don't really recall. MS. PIERCE: We would just ask if there's other audit reports in the Harel records that -- or any audit reports in the Harel records that you would produce those. Mr. Kaufman, I don't think I have any further questions. Thanks for your patience. THE WITNESS: Thank you. EXAMINATION BY MR. RUSE: Q. Good afternoon, Mr. Kaufman. My name is Luke Ruse. I'm with the law firm of Kirkland & Ellis and we represent PricewaterhouseCoopers TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 877-702-9580 Page 301 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN (Canada). I might refer to PricewaterhouseCoopers (Canada) as "PwC (Canada)." Is that okay? A. Okay. Q. And I might refer to the Pricewaterhouse firms generally, all of them collectively, as "PwC." Is that okay? A. Okay. Fine. Q. Okay. Now, we talked about investments that Harel made today. Harel made an investment in Fairfield Sentry in 2003, right? That was the first investment that Harel made? A. That's correct. Q. And then they made an additional investment in 2006? A. Yes. Q. Do you know if Harel made an investment in 2007 in the Fairfield Sentry Fund? A. I believe Harel made an investment, but, as I mentioned, I was in Phoenix Insurance at that time. Q. You left Harel at -- in November of TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 76 (Pages 298 to 301) Page 302 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN 2006, is that correct? A. Correct. Q. So any investment that would have been made in 2007, you were no longer employed at Harel? A. Yes. Q. And you would not have -- and you were not involved in any way in the decision-making process at Harel to invest in Fairfield Sentry for that 2007 investment; is that correct? A. That's correct. Q. You were involved in the decisions to invest in Fairfield Sentry in 2003 and in 2006, right? A. Right. Yes. Q. Now, you said that your understanding was that PwC audited Fairfield Sentry, correct? A. Yes. Yes. Q. And you took comfort in the fact that one of the big auditing firms audited Fairfield Sentry? A. Yes. Exactly. Q. But you're also -- you testified that you're aware that there are multiple firms with TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 303 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN the PwC name, each in their own country, right? A. Right. Yes. Q. And you -- you did not know which PwC firm audited Fairfield Sentry? MR. VICKERY: Objection. Form. Q. Before you made the investment in 2003, before Harel made investment in 2003 in Fairfield Sentry, you didn't know which PwC firm audited Fairfield Sentry? MR. VICKERY: Objection to form. A. I believe it was mentioned in all -in the presentations and in the fact sheets the exact name of the -- of the firm. Q. But you don't know who that was today? A. I don't remember today, but I believe in 2003 I've actually seen the exact entity. Q. And you believe that back in 2003 you might have known that because you saw it on a fact sheet? A. Yes. Q. And the fact sheet was provided by Fairfield? A. Yes. Q. Before the initial investment was made TSG Reporting - Worldwide Page 304 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN in 2003 -A. It was also, to add to the question, I think it was also mentioned in -- on the subscription agreements the name of the auditor. Q. Before the initial investment was made in 2003, you didn't have any contact with PwC (Canada), did you? A. I did not have. Q. And you didn't meet with anyone at PwC (Canada)? A. I believe I haven't met with anyone. Q. You never requested any materials from PwC (Canada)? A. I did not contact PwC (Canada) to request any information. Q. I'm sorry, I'm down here at the end of the table. Can you speak up just a little? A. I did not contact PwC (Canada) to request any information. Q. Okay. And you never received any materials from PwC (Canada) before that 2003 investment, correct? A. I really don't know if I've received it or not received. I don't recall. TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 877-702-9580 Page 305 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN Q. At any time while you were at Harel did anyone tell you that the auditor for Fairfield Sentry had changed? A. I don't think -- I don't think so, but I really don't remember if someone actually phoned or e-mailed me this information. Q. And at any time while you were at Harel, did you have any awareness that the auditor for PwC changed at any time? A. For me, we saw -Q. I'm sorry, I misspoke. At any time when you were at Harel did you have any awareness that the auditor for Fairfield Sentry had changed at any time? MR. VICKERY: I'm going to object to form. The timing is all wrong. Q. You can answer if you understand. A. What I can tell you, that since in 2003 we saw one name, PwC. For us, PwC is a large auditor which has branches in different countries, and I, in my opinion, it was -- we did not make any difference if it was in Canada or Netherlands or PwC U.S. It was actually PwC, the name PwC. TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 77 (Pages 302 to 305) Page 306 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN Q. To you it didn't matter which of the PwC firms was the actual auditor? A. It didn't matter because PwC is for us one large entity. Q. Now, after the investment in 2003, at any time before the investment in 2006 or at any time while you remained at Harel, did you have any communication with anyone at PwC (Canada)? A. We did not contact anyone from PwC (Canada), did not contact us by e-mail or by phone. Q. Did you request any materials from PwC (Canada)? A. I don't believe doing so. Q. And did you receive any materials from PwC (Canada)? A. Might have. As I mentioned before, I don't remember what exact materials we received from PwC, generally speaking, PwC. Q. Let me represent to you that PricewaterhouseCoopers (Canada) audited the Fairfield Sentry Fund for the year ending in two thousand -- for the year ending December 31, 2006. TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 307 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN A. Okay. Q. And that that audit opinion was issued on -A. Sorry? Q. I'm sorry, and that the audit opinion that PricewaterhouseCoopers (Canada) issued was issued on April 24, 2007. A. Okay, so -Q. In 2007, you were working for Phoenix; is that correct? A. That's correct. Q. And if that is the first audit report that PricewaterhouseCoopers (Canada) had issued, you would have never received any financial audited financial statement that PricewaterhouseCoopers (Canada) had issued; is that correct? A. It makes sense. I mean, it's a logical sentence. Q. You don't have any reason to disbelieve that, do you? A. It's mathematical, isn't it? Q. Now, you understand that -- that -I'm sorry. Let me rephrase. TSG Reporting - Worldwide Page 308 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN You had an understanding that a PricewaterhouseCoopers firm was the auditor for Fairfield Sentry, right? A. We had an understanding that PwC was the auditor. Q. And you understood that PwC was not the auditor of Bernard Madoff or BLMIS; is that right? A. I -- I don't know. We didn't check or I didn't -- I wasn't familiar of who was the auditor to -- to other investments, other funds. We, specifically, we knew which was the auditor for Fairfield Sentry. We did not check the auditors for other funds. Q. So you never checked to see who the auditor of Bernard Madoff or his firm BLMIS was; is that correct? A. That's correct. Q. But you understood that Harel's securities were actually being held by BLMIS, isn't that right? MR. VICKERY: Objection. Objection to form. Q. When you invested in 2003, you TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 877-702-9580 Page 309 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN understood that the investments would actually be held by Bernard Madoff at BLMIS; is that right? MR. VICKERY: Objection to form. A. I think I referred to this question before, and as I understand, we did not make any direct investments in Bernard Madoff or any of his entities. It was not published in the fact sheets or presentations that there was any direct investment in Bernard Madoff besides what you showed me in one of the exhibits that was mentioned in the DDQ, but I do not recall seeing it in 2003 or between 2003 and 2006. Q. And I think that subject -- okay. And I think that you said that had you realized the full extent of Bernard Madoff's involvement in Fairfield Sentry, you would have reconsidered your investment; is that correct? MR. VICKERY: Objection to form. A. I think what I mentioned, if I knew that the investment manager was Bernard Madoff and the custodian was Bernard Madoff and the broker was Bernard Madoff, I would reconsider the -- this investment. TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 78 (Pages 306 to 309) Page 323 Page 322 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. KAUFMAN A. I believe I felt comfort after this conference call, but... Q. Mr. Kaufman, it's fair to say that you've looked at quite a few documents today? We've looked at a lot of documents -A. Yes. Q. -- today, right? A. Yes. Q. And some of those documents referred to Bernard Madoff, that's right? A. Yes. Q. And some of them didn't? A. Some of them didn't, yes. Q. Is it fair to say, is it fair to say that you don't recall seeing or reading any of the documents that refer to Bernard L. Madoff during your time at Harel from 2003 to 2006? A. I think that's correct to say, yes. Q. So if I understand it, the only documents that you recall reviewing or reading during the 2003 to 2006 time period were documents that don't mention Bernard Madoff? A. I might have read a part of these documents who do mention Bernard Madoff, but I TSG Reporting - Worldwide 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 A. KAUFMAN don't recall reading these specific sentences that mention Bernard Madoff as a manager or a custodian or whatever. MR. ROETHER: I have nothing else. We'll reserve the rest of our questions. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: That concludes the video record for today. The time is now 7:35 P.M. We are now off the record. oOo ____________________ ALON KAUFMAN Subscribed and sworn to before me this day of 2011. _______________________ 22 23 24 25 877-702-9580 TSG Reporting - Worldwide Page 325 Page 324 1 2 3 4 A. KAUFMAN 1 2 CERTIFICATE 3 STATE OF NEW YORK ) 4 : ss 5 5 COUNTY OF NEW YORK) 6 6 I, Kathy S. Klepfer, a Registered 7 7 Merit Reporter and Notary Public within and 8 8 for the State of New York, do hereby 9 9 certify: 10 10 That ALON KAUFMAN, the witness whose 11 11 deposition is herein before set forth, was 12 12 duly sworn by me and that such deposition is 13 13 a true record of the testimony given by such 14 14 witness. 15 I further certify that I am not 15 16 related to any of the parties to this action 16 17 by blood or marriage and that I am in no way 17 18 interested in the outcome of this matter. 18 19 In witness whereof, I have hereunto 19 20 set my hand this 2nd day of August, 2011. 20 21 21 22 ------------------------------KATHY S. KLEPFER, RPR, RMR, CRR, CLR 22 23 23 24 24 25 25 TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 TSG 877-702-9580 A. KAUFMAN INDEX TESTIMONY OF A. KAUFMAN: Examination by Mr. Roether Examination by Ms. Feinberg Examination by Ms. Pierce Examination by Mr. Ruse PAGE 7, 320 249 282 300 KAUFMAN EXHIBITS: PAGE Exhibit 1, a document bearing Bates Nos. 78 Harel 000365 through 3705 Exhibit 2, a document bearing Bates Nos. 138 Harel 0000055 through 0000078 Exhibit 3, a document bearing Bates Nos. 172 FGANW003624856 Exhibit 4, a document bearing Bates Nos. 173 FGANW003624811 through 3624855 Exhibit 5, a document bearing Bates Nos. 175 FGANW003624809 Exhibit 6, a document bearing Bates Nos. 185 FGANW003624782 Exhibit 7, a document bearing Bates Nos. 192 FGANW003624768 Exhibit 8, a document bearing Bates Nos. 195 FGANW003624758 through 59 Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 82 (Pages 322 to 325)

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