Windsor v. The United States Of America

Filing 82

DECLARATION of Roberta A. Kaplan in Support re: 28 MOTION for Summary Judgment.. Document filed by Edith Schlain Windsor. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A, # 2 Exhibit B, # 3 Exhibit C, # 4 Exhibit D, # 5 Exhibit E)(Kaplan, Roberta)

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EXHIBIT D Michael E. Lamb, Ph.D. June 24, 2011 Page 1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK -------------------------------------EDITH SCHLAIN WINDSOR, in her capacity as Executor of the Estate of CLARA SPYER, Plaintiff, -against- 10-CV-8435 THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Defendant. -------------------------------------UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT -------------------------------------JOANNE PEDERSEN & ANN MEITZEN, GERALD V. PASSARO II, LYNDA DEFORGE & RAQUEL ARDIN, JANET GELLER & JOANNE MARQUIS, SUZANNE & GERALDINE ARTIS, BRADLEY KLEINERMAN & JAMES GEHRE DAMON SAYVOY & JOHN WEISS, Plaintiffs, Civil Action No. -against310 CV 1750 (VLB) OFFICE OF PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT, TIMOTHY F. GEITHNER, in his official capacity as the Secretary of the Treasury, and HILDA L. SOLIS, in her official capacity as the Secretary of Labor, et al., Defendants. -------------------------------------DEPOSITION OF MICHAEL E. LAMB, Ph.D. Friday, June 24, 2011 Michael E. Lamb, Ph.D. June 24, 2011 Page 31 1 M. Lamb 2 Q. Have there been any studies of the 3 children of same-sex couples in the state of 4 Massachusetts? 5 A. 6 children in those circumstances in Massachusetts. 7 8 I am not familiar with studies of Q. Are you aware of any other study -- let me rephrase. 9 Are you aware of any studies of 10 children of same-sex parents in jurisdictions 11 where same-sex parents can be married? 12 13 14 A. Am I aware -- sorry. Q. Yes. Can you repeat it? Are you aware of any studies 15 that look at the benefits or the detriments 16 obtained by children of same-sex parents in 17 jurisdictions where same-sex marriage is allowed? 18 A. Same-sex marriage has been allowed 19 only quite recently in this country. There are 20 studies such as those by Henny Bos in the 21 Netherlands, where same-sex marriage has been 22 allowed longer, that would be directly relevant 23 to that issue. 24 Q. And what do those studies show? 25 A. The studies show, as I summarized Michael E. Lamb, Ph.D. June 24, 2011 Page 32 1 M. Lamb 2 earlier, that there is no difference in 3 children's adjustment depending upon the sexual 4 orientation of their parents and that the 5 children's adjustment in those families, as in 6 all other circumstances, depends on the three 7 classes of variables that I have outlined in my 8 affidavit. 9 Q. In paragraph 41, Exhibit 2, you write, 10 "DOMA may convey to children of married same-sex 11 couples that their parents' relationships are 12 less valid or legitimate than the marriages of 13 heterosexual couples." 14 15 16 Can you point to any study that confirms this supposition? A. No. Again, I can't point to any 17 study, which is why I used the word "may." 18 Again, it's an extrapolation from the literature 19 that we do have focused on the factors that 20 affect children. 21 Q. In that same paragraph, paragraph 41, 22 you state that "DOMA denies --" let me read the 23 actual quote. 24 You write, "In addition to denying 25 children important federal legal protections,

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