Windsor v. The United States Of America
Filing
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DECLARATION of Roberta A. Kaplan in Support re: 28 MOTION for Summary Judgment.. Document filed by Edith Schlain Windsor. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A, # 2 Exhibit B, # 3 Exhibit C, # 4 Exhibit D, # 5 Exhibit E)(Kaplan, Roberta)
EXHIBIT D
Michael E. Lamb, Ph.D.
June 24, 2011
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
-------------------------------------EDITH SCHLAIN WINDSOR, in her
capacity as Executor of the Estate
of CLARA SPYER,
Plaintiff,
-against-
10-CV-8435
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Defendant.
-------------------------------------UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT
-------------------------------------JOANNE PEDERSEN & ANN MEITZEN,
GERALD V. PASSARO II, LYNDA
DEFORGE & RAQUEL ARDIN, JANET
GELLER & JOANNE MARQUIS, SUZANNE
& GERALDINE ARTIS, BRADLEY
KLEINERMAN & JAMES GEHRE
DAMON SAYVOY & JOHN WEISS,
Plaintiffs,
Civil Action No.
-against310 CV 1750 (VLB)
OFFICE OF PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT,
TIMOTHY F. GEITHNER, in his official
capacity as the Secretary of the
Treasury, and HILDA L. SOLIS, in her
official capacity as the Secretary of
Labor, et al.,
Defendants.
-------------------------------------DEPOSITION OF MICHAEL E. LAMB, Ph.D.
Friday, June 24, 2011
Michael E. Lamb, Ph.D.
June 24, 2011
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M. Lamb
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Q.
Have there been any studies of the
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children of same-sex couples in the state of
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Massachusetts?
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A.
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children in those circumstances in Massachusetts.
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I am not familiar with studies of
Q.
Are you aware of any other study --
let me rephrase.
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Are you aware of any studies of
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children of same-sex parents in jurisdictions
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where same-sex parents can be married?
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A.
Am I aware -- sorry.
Q.
Yes.
Can you repeat
it?
Are you aware of any studies
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that look at the benefits or the detriments
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obtained by children of same-sex parents in
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jurisdictions where same-sex marriage is allowed?
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A.
Same-sex marriage has been allowed
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only quite recently in this country.
There are
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studies such as those by Henny Bos in the
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Netherlands, where same-sex marriage has been
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allowed longer, that would be directly relevant
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to that issue.
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Q.
And what do those studies show?
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A.
The studies show, as I summarized
Michael E. Lamb, Ph.D.
June 24, 2011
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M. Lamb
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earlier, that there is no difference in
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children's adjustment depending upon the sexual
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orientation of their parents and that the
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children's adjustment in those families, as in
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all other circumstances, depends on the three
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classes of variables that I have outlined in my
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affidavit.
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Q.
In paragraph 41, Exhibit 2, you write,
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"DOMA may convey to children of married same-sex
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couples that their parents' relationships are
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less valid or legitimate than the marriages of
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heterosexual couples."
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Can you point to any study that
confirms this supposition?
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No.
Again, I can't point to any
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study, which is why I used the word "may."
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Again, it's an extrapolation from the literature
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that we do have focused on the factors that
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affect children.
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Q.
In that same paragraph, paragraph 41,
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you state that "DOMA denies --" let me read the
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actual quote.
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You write, "In addition to denying
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children important federal legal protections,
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