Viacom International, Inc. v. Youtube, Inc.

Filing 126

APPENDIX, on behalf of Appellant Black Entertainment Television, LLC, Comedy Partners, Country Music Television, Inc., Paramount Pictures Corporation and Viacom International, Inc., FILED. Service date 12/10/2010 by CM/ECF. [165101] [10-3270]

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Q. O ka y. B u t th e - - t h e u pg ra d e th a t yo u a gr e ed D AV ID KI NG B Y MR . P LA T ZE R: Q. - - co r re c t ? M R. W I LL EN : T HE W I TN ES S : O b j ec ti on t o th e fo r m. T h e pr op o s a l t ha t' s i n f ro nt of S AN F R AN C I SCO , CA J A NU AR Y 1 3, 20 1 0

m e r i g h t n o w d i d n o t r e s u lt i n a - - i n a c h a n g e o f o u r s er vi c e. I t h i n k it 's w o rth n ot i ng , t ho ug h , th a t we di d

a gr ee to a -- a n u pg r ad e to th e o ri gi n al s e rv ic e a gr ee m en t i n -- in 2 0 08 . B Y MR . P LA T ZE R: Q. A nd t h at u p gr ad e w a s t o ?

t o w i t h A u d i b l e M a g i c i n 20 0 8 , t h a t d i d n ' t i n c l u d e T y p e 3 l oo k -u ps ; r ig h t? A. I t w a s a d i f f e r e n t f or m o f - - o f u p g r a d e , b u t

w e di d u pg r ad e o ur s e rv i c e w it h t he m. Q. A n up g ra d e to s e rv i c e l ev el s , no t a n u pg ra d e

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p ud dl e . D AV ID KI NG S AN F R AN C I SCO , CA J A NU AR Y 1 3, 20 1 0

M R. W I LL EN :

I d on 't kn o w if h e w as e n ti re l y

l is te n in g t o t h e q ue st i o n , b ec au s e he wa s d is tr a ct e d b as ed on - T HE W I TN ES S : H e - - h e p u t h is m o us e i n a

I wa s w or ri ed a g ain . M R. W I LL EN : H a v e t h e q u e st i o n a g a i n .

B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. W as i t Y o u T ub e' s v i e w t ha t A ud ib l e Ma g ic

t e c h n o l o g y h a d a h i g h a c c ur a c y r a t e ? A. Y es . Th a t is c o rr e c t. A nd it 's a ma t te r o f

t un in g a s w el l .

S o, yo u kno w, I th in k , as yo u s ee k t o

g et h i gh er re c a l l, y ou p u t m or e p re ss u re o n y ou r a cc ur a cy . So y o u st ar t - - s o it ' s a - - yo u k no w , i t --

i t ' s a - - i t ' s a b a l a n c e po i n t i n a n y s y s t e m , w h i c h I t h i n k w o u l d a l s o b e t r u e of a h u m a n . Y o u k n o w , a s a h u m a n , i f yo u ' r e t r y i n g t o r es po n d to a - - yo u k no w , to s om e th in g w he r e yo u 'r e s c a n n i n g t h r o u g h y o u r m e m or y , y o u c a n e i t h e r b e e xt re m el y c on s e r va ti ve a n d v er y a cc ur a te , o r yo u c a n di g a l i t t l e d e e p e r a n d m a k e mo r e s u p p o s i t i o n s a n d t a k e m o r e g ue ss e s, a n d y o u 'l l br i n g b a ck m o re i n fo rm a ti on , b u t y o u r a c c u r a c y r a t e w i l l s uf f e r . Q. D i d Y o u T u b e t u n e A u d ib l e M a g i c ' s

f in ge r pr in t in g t ec hn ol o g y t o m in i mi ze fa ls e p os i ti v e s ?

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t o ti m e. T HE W I TN ES S : T h is b ul l e t d o es n' t s pe a k to D AV ID KI NG S AN F R AN C I SCO , CA J A NU AR Y 1 3, 20 1 0

M R. W I LL EN : T HE W I TN ES S :

O b j ec ti on t o th e fo r m. A u d i b l e M a g ic d i d n o t s u r f a c e Th e y

a ny m e th od s f o r us t o t u n e t ha t b al an c e po i nt . t un ed it t h at w a y. B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. O ka y.

A n d di d - - i s th e se n ti me n t th a t' s

e x p r e s s e d o n t h e p a g e w e ' re l o o k i n g a t o n t h i s e x h i b i t t h a t A u d i b l e M a g i c h a d h i gh a c c u r a c y , w a s t h a t Y o u T u b e ' s v i e w f o r t h e u s e o f A u d i b le M a g i c t o i d e n t i f y t e l e v i s i o n c on te n t as we l l ? M R. W I LL EN : O b j ec ti on t o th e fo r m. V ag ue as

t h a t , a n d I d o n ' t t h i n k t ha t - - I t h i n k i t ' s n o t - - y o u k no w, th e l ev e l of s p ec i f ici ty h e re i s , in ge ne r al , t he A ud ib l e Ma g ic s e rv ic e h a s p r od uc e d ac c ur at e r es u lt s . B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. W el l, in d e p en de nt l y of th is do cu m en t - - I' m

a s k i n g y o u i n y o u r c a p a c i ty a s a c o r p o r a t e r ep re s en ta t iv e f or Y ou T u b e - - wa s - - w as i t Y ou T ub e ' s b el ie f t ha t A u d i bl e Ma g i c w a s ac c ur at e f or id en t if y i n g t el ev i si on co n t e nt ? M R. W I LL EN : T HE W I TN ES S : O b j ec ti on . Vag ue a s t o t im e.

I t h i n k t h e re - - t h a t t h e r e

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i s - - t h e r e i s a n i m - - - an i m p o r t a n t c a v e a t i n t h e - a n y - - i n t h e a b i l i t y o f th e A u d i b l e M a g i c s y s t e m t o p r o v i d e r e l i a b l e c l a i m i n fo r m a t i o n a r o u n d t e l e v i s i o n , a nd t h e -- th e - - th e n u b o f t ha t , th e - - t he - - t h e -t h e k e y i s s u e , i s t h a t e v er y - - y o u k n o w , I t h i n k p r o b a b l y 9 9 p e r c e n t o f m o vi e s h a v e a s o u n d t r a c k w i t h m u s i c i n t h e m , a n d c e r t a i nl y m u s i c a l s o p e r m e a t e s t el ev i si on . A nd s o , no t a s a t ec h ni c a l m at te r , bu t a s a p o l i c y m a t t e r o r a s a n o w ne r s h i p i s s u e - - a n d e a r l i e r w e h ad t a lk ed ab o u t t he re r e all y be i ng t w o si d es t o a f in ge r pr in t in g s ys te m. S o o ne i s t he ra w f in ge r pr i n t in g

a n d i t s a b i l i t y t o m a t c h an d t h e a s s e t s - - y o u k n o w , a n d g et ti n g -- ge t t i ng h ol d o f m ed ia fi le s , tu r ni ng th o s e i n t o f i n g e r p r i n t s , a n d t h en m a t c h i n g b a s e d o n t h o s e . B u t t h e r e ' s a n e q u a l l y i m po r t a n t s e c o n d a s p e c t t o t h e s e s y s t e m s , w h i c h i s t h e m e t ad a t a , t h e o w n e r s h i p , s c o p e d b y t er ri t or y, an d t he p ol i c y i n fo rm a ti on th at go es wi t h t ha t. S o as yo u s ta r t to t a ke i n f in ge r pr in t s f r o m - - f r o m t e l e v i s i o n a nd f r o m m o v i e s , w h a t w e f o u n d i s t h a t , n o t a s a t e c h n i c al m a t t e r , b u t a s a - - a s t h a t s or t o f se c on d a r y po li c y , m e ta da t a, r e al ly id en t if y i n g t h e r i g h t o w n e r s a n d w h o sh o u l d - - w h o h a s s t a n d i n g t o

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t a l k a b o u t w h e t h e r t h i s t hi n g s h o u l d b e u p o r n o t - - i f y o u ' r e l o o k i n g p u r e l y a t th e a u d i o s i d e , y o u e n d u p g e t t i n g s i g n i f i c a n t n u m b e rs o f e r r o r s b a s e d o n t h e m u s i c c on te n t be i ng e m be dd ed i n m o vi es an d T V. S o, y o u kn o w, y o u as k ed m e a bo ut fa ls e p o s i t i v e s c o m i n g i n f r o m -- f r o m A u d i b l e M a g i c . We --

y o u k n o w , a s a - - a s a p u re l y t e c h n i c a l m a t t e r , n o f a l s e p os it i ve s. A s a p o l i c y a nd o w n e r s h i p m a t t e r , m o v i e s a n d

T V , i f y o u ' r e j u s t m a t c h i ng o n t h e a u d i o c h a n n e l , c r e a t e d s i g n i f i c a n t i n a c c ur a c i e s . B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. D i d Y o u T u b e e v e r c o n si d e r a d d i n g a l a y e r o f

h um an re vi e w f o l lo wi ng t h e A ud ib l e Ma g ic m a tc he s i n o r d e r t o a m e l i o r a t e t h a t pr o b l e m ? M R. W I LL EN : O b j ec ti on t o th e fo r m. I t' s

o ut si d e th e s c o p e of th i s n o ti ce , b ut if y o u ha v e a p e r s o n a l u n d e r s t a n d i n g , y ou c a n r e f e r e n c e t h a t . T HE W I TN ES S : S o t o b e c l ea r , i f w e w e r e t o - -

l et 's ju st sa y , hy po th e t i cal ly , i f we we re to s i t d o w n a n d s a y , o k a y , l e t ' s r e v i ew e v e r y m a t c h t h a t c o m e s i n f ro m a m ov i e o r a TV as s e t. T ha t s ti l l wo u ld n' t a l l o w

u s to ma ke th a t re su l t p e rfe ct , b ec au s e th a t -- th e - t he - - e it h er t h e st u di o , o r t he br oa d ca st e r mi g ht a ct ua l ly h a ve s t an di ng t o m a ke c l ai ms ba se d o n m us i c

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a ny th i ng . D AV ID KI NG S AN F R AN C I SCO , CA J A NU AR Y 1 3, 20 1 0 And

t h a t ' s e m b e d d e d i n t h o s e as s e t s o r t h e y m a y n o t .

t h e o n l y w a y t h a t w e c a n kn o w t h a t i s f o r t h a t e n t i t y t h e m s e l v e s t o m a k e t h a t r ep r e s e n t a t i o n . W e c a n ' t m a g i c a l l y e v e r k no w w h o t r u l y o w n s We n e ed t he o w ner s of th os e t hi n gs t o t e l l u s

t h a t t h e y h a v e t h a t o w n e r sh i p , a n d t o - - a n d t o s p e c i f y t ha t t o us . A n d I t h i n k th a t ' s p r e c i s e l y w h y t h e l a w i s

w ri tt e n th e w a y it i s . B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. W el l, I' m n ot a s ki n g hy po th e ti ca l ly h o w su c h a I ' m a sk i n g h i s t o r i c a l l y w h e t h e r

s ys te m w ou l d w o r k.

Y o u T u b e e v e r a c t u a l l y c o n si d e r e d i m p l e m e n t i n g s u c h a s y s t e m , " s u c h a s y s t e m " m ea n i n g a l a y e r o f h u m a n r e v i e w f o l l o w i n g A u d i b l e - - A u d i bl e M a g i c m a t c h e s . M R. W I LL EN : S o I' m g oi n g to a ga i n ob j ec t.

T h e q u e s t i o n a b o u t h u m a n re v i e w i s o u t s i d e t h e s c o p e o f h i s n o t i c e , b u t i f t h i s w it n e s s h a s a p e r s o n a l u n d e r s t a n d i n g o f t h e i s s u es r e l a t e d t o t h e q u e s t i o n , h e c an a n sw er . M R. P L AT ZE R : W e ll , Br i a n , n o, t h e -- wi th i n

t h e s c o p e o f t h i s n o t i c e is h o w Y o u T u b e u s e d m a t c h i n f o r m a t i o n f r o m A u d i b l e Ma g i c . I' m e nt it l ed t o a s k th e

u s e s t o w h i c h t h a t i n f o r m at i o n w a s p u t , a n d i f t h a t i n f o r m a t i o n w a s u s e d t o f la g v i d e o s f o r h u m a n r e v i e w

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c on ve rs a ti o n ? A. Q. Y es . D id t h a t a sp e ct o f t he A u di bl e M ag ic se rv ic e D AV ID K I NG c om pa ni e s. B Y MR . P LA T Z E R: Q. D id Y o u T ub e e ve r ex p er ie nc e a p r ob le m w it h SA N F RA NC I SC O, CA J AN UA R Y 13 , 2 0 1 0

A ud ib le Ma g i c 's t ec h no lo g y as a p pl ie d t o TV an d m o v ie c on te nt th a t th e Au d - -- th at Au di bl e M ag ic co ul d n ' t i de nt if y t h e co nt en t u nl e ss i t w as i d en ti fi e d at t h e b eg in ni n g o f th e cl i p? M R. W IL L EN : T HE W IT N ES S : Ob je ct i on t o t he f o rm , v ag ue . Y ea h, co ul d - - I' m - - c ou ld yo u

r ep hr as e t h a t t o be a li t tl e m or e pr e ci se o n w ha t i t is y ou w ou l d l i k e to kn ow ? B Y MR . P LA T Z E R: Q. A. Q. W el l, t h e -- ea rl ie r w e d is cu ss e d -U h- hu h . - - th e f ac t t ha t Yo u Tu be wa s on l y ha v in g

A ud ib le Ma g i c q ue ry un kn o wn s ag a in st th e fi r st s e c - - . D o y ou r e ca ll th at

t ha t it wa s p ro vi di n g to Yo uT ub e e ve r p os e p ro bl e m s f or Y ou Tu be ' s a b i li ty t o i de n ti fy t e le vi s io n or mo vi e c on te nt us i n g A ud ib l e Ma g ic 's t e ch no l og y? M R. W IL L EN : Ob je ct i on t o t he f o rm . Va gu e a s

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t o "p o se p r ob l e m s. " T HE W I TN ES S : S o - - s o w h at s o r t o f p r o b l e m s

d i d y o u - - d i d y o u - - d o yo u h a v e i n m i n d , s o I - B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. A. F al se ne g a t iv es . F al se ne g a t iv es ? E v ery o ne of - - e ve r y sy s te m

t h a t a t t e m p t s t o d o a u t o m at e d i d e n t i f i c a t i o n w i l l h a v e f al se ne ga t iv e s . Th is w o uld - - t he i s su e t ha t y ou ' v e

s po ke n t o w ou l d co nt ri b u t e t o -- to g a ps i n c ov e ra g e as a m at t er o f l o g i c. Q. B ut h i st o r i ca ll y w a s t h at a pr ob l em o f w hi c h

Y o u T u b e h a d a n y s p e c i f i c aw a r e n e s s ? M R. W I LL EN : T HE W I TN ES S : O b j ec ti on t o th e fo r m. I m e a n , I t hi n k , a s w e d i s c u s s e d

i n -- in - - i n t he e a rl i e r d oc um e nt s, we w e re i n te r e s te d i n a m o r e e x p a n s i v e s e r v i ce o n t h o s e l i n e s , a n d t h a t i s -- wa s a k e y de si g n p r inc ip le in t h e se r vi ce th a t we b u i l t o n G o o g l e ' s t e c h n o l og y . T HE R E PO RT E R: M R. P L AT ZE R : T HE R E PO RT E R: 7 - - 9 , I me a n . 9. E xc us e m e .

( K i n g D e p o s i t i o n E x h i b i t Nu m b e r 9 w a s m a r k e d f or i d en ti f ic a t i on .)

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t ha t. T HE W I TN ES S : B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. D o y o u r e c a l l t h e r e be i n g a n i s s u e i n J u l y o f T h is r in g s a b el l. D AV ID KI NG B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. T h e c o u r t r e p o r t e r h as h a n d e d y o u w h a t ' s b e e n I t' s a J ul y 3 rd , 2 00 7 , e - m ai l S AN F R AN C I SCO , CA J A NU AR Y 1 3, 20 1 0

m ar ke d a s K in g E xh ib it 9 .

f r o m D a v i d E u n t o L e w R o t hm a n , b e a r s B a t e s n u m b e r G o o g l e 7 98 49 3 t hr o ug h 7 98 49 5. H a v e y o u s e e n t h e e - m a i l th a t ' s b e e n m a r k e d a s K in g E xh ib i t 9 b ef or e? M R. W I LL EN : G i v e h i m a c ha n c e t o f l i p t h r o u g h

2 00 7 o f th e m o v i e "S i ck o " r e pe at e dl y b ei ng up lo a de d t o Y o u T u b e f o l l o w i n g t a k e d o w n? A. M y re c ol l e c ti on of t his - - a nd - - a nd th is is

n ot s o me th i ng t h at I ha v e i n st ru c te d m ys el f o n i n p r e p a r a t i o n f o r t h i s t e s t im o n y , b u t m y r e c o l l e c t i o n i s t h a t t h e - - t h e u p l o a d s w er e c o m i n g d i r e c t l y f r o m t h e c r e a t o r o f t h e m o v i e , w h o se n a m e i s o d d l y e l u d i n g m e r ig ht no w. Q. A. Um -M ic ha e l M o o re ? M ic ha e l M o o re . It ' s th at M i ch ae l M oo r e an d

h is d i re ct st a f f w er e t h e o n es t h at w e re u p lo ad i ng i t . Q. U h- hu h .

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s ho we d u p s o e a r ly . k ep t d oi ng it . Q.

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c om pl a in in g a b o u t re pe a t e d u pl oa d s to Yo uT u be ? A. Q. A. I r e- -- I re ca l l t h is e- ma i l ex c ha ng e . I h a v e a q u e s t i o n a b ou t - B u t i t - - i t d o e s k i nd o f g e t - - I r e m e m b e r

t h i s a s b e i n g a r a t h e r i r on i c e x c h a n g e , i n t h a t - - t h a t t h e W e i n s t e i n C o m p a n y p r o vi d e d f u n d i n g t o M i c h a e l M o o r e a nd h i s pr o du c t i on c om p a n y t o cr e at e t hi s m ov ie an d t he n t o ma r ke t i t, a n d th i s w a s a s or t o f l ef t- h an d- n ot s pe ak i ng -t o -t h e - ri gh t- h a n d b at tl e t ha t w e o ft en en d e d u p i n. S o th i s wa s n o t ju st ra n d om pe op l e up l oa di n g T hi s w a s th e c re a t or of t h e fi l m wh o y ou wo u l d

t hi nk wo ul d b e i n ti g ht e r a l ig nm e nt w i th h i s pr o du c t i on c om pa n y. Q. I h a v e a q u e s t i o n a b ou t t h e e x c h a n g e n e a r t h e

t op o f t he fi r s t p ag e . A. Q. i s sa y in g: " Da vi d , U h- hu h . W he re th e e -m ai l f r o m L ew R o th ma n t o D av id Eu n

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" Do y o u gu y s c u r re nt ly u s e A ud ib l e Ma g ic 's f i n g e r p r i n t i n g t e c h n o l o g y ?" A n d t h e r e s p o n s e f r o m D a v id E u n s a y i n g : " Le w, Y es , w e ar e . W e 'v e f ou n d t h ou gh th at th ei r

t e c h n o l o g y w o r k s b e t t e r f or m u s i c v i d e o s t h a n o th er ty pe s o f v id eo co n t ent ." I s i t , i n f a c t , t h e c a s e th a t Y o u T u b e f o u n d A u d i b l e M a g i c t o b e m o r e ef f e c t i v e f o r m u s i c t h a n f o r o th er ki nd s o f v id eo co n t ent ? M R. W I LL EN : T HE W I TN ES S : O b j ec ti on t o th e fo r m. A s w e d i s c u ss e d e a r l i e r , A u d i b l e

M a g i c p r o v i d e s m a t c h i n g b as e d o n a u d i o . W e' re a vi d eo s e rv ic e. A nd so , i f yo u w an t t o

m at ch on v i de o , vi de o f i n ger pr in t in g i s a m uc h m or e p ow er f ul t e ch n o l og y. S o i t i s t r u e t h a t t h e A u di b l e M a g i c s o l u t i o n w as h e lp fu l b u t im pe rf e c t f o r ou r n ee d s, a n d th i s i s p r e c i s e l y w h y w e h a v e s p e nt m a n y m i l l i o n s o f d o l l a r s d e v e l o p i n g a w o r l d c l a s s vi d e o f i n g e r p r i n t i n g t e c h n o l o g y t o s u p - - - t o s u p p l e m e n t au d i o f i n g e r p r i n t i n g . B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. B u t , t o r e p e a t m y i n it i a l q u e s t i o n , h a s

Y o u T u b e , i n f a c t , f o u n d t ha t A u d i b l e M a g i c i s l e s s

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e f f e c t i v e f o r v i d e o c o n t e nt t h a t i s n ' t a m u s i c v i d e o ? M R. W I LL EN : T HE W I TN ES S : O b j e c t i o n , a sk e d a n d a n s w e r e d . I th in k, y o u k no w, as a -- I I f y ou t h in k a bo ut th e - -

j u s t a p p e a l t o y o u r r e a s o n.

t h e - - t h e s o u n d t h a t i s co m i n g f r o m t h i s r o o m , a n d t h e s ou nd th at co m e s f ro m a C D p la yi n g, t h e so u nd t h at c o me s f r o m a C D p l a y i n g i s c o n t in u o u s . s on ic a ll y r ic h . t o wo r k fr o m. S o if I we r e t o pl ay fo r you r ig h t no w , sa y a B ea tl e s so n g a n d a sk yo u , w h at i s t hi s , yo u w ou l d p r o b a b l y b e a b l e t o t e l l me t h a t ' s a B e a t l e s s o n g . N ow , i f I w er e t o pl a y f o r y ou a sn ip p et o f e ve ry b od y' s v o i c e in t h i s r o om a n d as k y ou to i d en t i f y e a c h p e r s o n f r o m t h a t s n i pp e t o f t h e i r v o i c e , i t w o u l d p ro ba b ly b e h a r d er f or y o u t o ge t t ho s e al l r ig h t. Q. A nd I un d e r st an d t h e th eo re t ic al ar gu m en t f or I t' s v er y - - i t' s

I t' s a - - i t' s a v er y f ul l a ud i o s i g na l

w hy i t m ig h t b e le ss ef f e cti ve t h at y o u' re ar ti c ul a t i ng r ig ht no w. T he q u es ti o n I ' m a sk in g i s w he th e r Yo u Tu be a c t u a l l y c o n c l u d e d t h a t t ha t w a s e m p i r i c a l l y t h e c a s e , t ha t A ud ib l e M a g ic w or k e d l e ss w e ll f o r vi d eo t h at w as n' t a m u si c v id eo . N o t w hy i t m ig h t be th e c as e , bu t

w h e t h e r G o o g l e a c t u a l l y c on c l u d e d t h a t t h a t w a s t h e

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t es ti m on y. T HE W I TN ES S : I do n' t h a v e f ig ur e s ar o un d D AV ID KI NG c as e. M R. W I LL EN : T HE W I TN ES S : O b j ec ti on t o th e fo r m. W e f o u n d t h at t h e r e s u l t s t h a t S AN F R AN C I SCO , CA J A NU AR Y 1 3, 20 1 0

w e go t i n m at c h i ng v i de o s w i th a mu si c al s o un db e d t o t he m w as m o re e f fe ct iv e i n u si ng Au di b le M a gi c t e c h n o l o g y , a n d o u r r e s p o ns e t o t h a t w a s t o t u r n a r o u n d a n d s p e n d m i l l i o n s a n d m i ll i o n s o f d o l l a r s , a n d s p i n u p a v e r y l a r g e g l o b a l t e a m on b u i l d i n g o u t a m o r e e ff ec t iv e r es p o n se . B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. O ka y. A n d yo u s ay y ou fo un d t ha t t he re su l ts

y ou g o t in ma t c h in g v id e o s w it hi n A ud i bl e M ag ic sh o w e d t h a t v i d e o s o f m u s i c a r e mo r e e f f e c t i v e l y m a t c h e d ; r ig ht ? M R. W I LL EN : O b j ec ti on . Mis ch ar a ct er i ze s

t ha t, bu t t ha t w as - - s o I w ou ld n 't - - i t - - it wa s n ' t a n em p ir ic a l s t u dy , bu t - - s o I a pp ea l ed t o r ea s on i n m y e a r l i e r r e s p o n s e , a n d I t hi n k i t w a s t h a t s a m e a p p e a l t o r e a s o n w h i c h l e d t h a t c o n ve r s a t i o n , a s o p p o s e d t o d a t a . B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. O ka y. S o Y ou Tu b e d i dn' t do a nu m er ic a l

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t o -B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. A s -M R. W I LL EN : B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. - - as to w h et he r A u d ibl e Ma g ic w a s le s s - - "e mp ir i c a l a na ly s is ." D AV ID KI NG S AN F R AN C I SCO , CA J A NU AR Y 1 3, 20 1 0 V ag ue as

M R. W I LL EN :

O b j ec ti on t o th e fo r m.

e f f e c t i v e f o r m u s i c a l c o n te n t t h a n f o r v i d e o c o n t e n t . M R. W I LL EN : y ou r q ue st i on . S o r ry . D i d n 't m e a n t o i n t e r r u p t

I re st a t e m y o bj e ct io n t ha t i t' s v a g u e. S i mp ly p u t , i f y ou wa nt to m a tc h

T HE W I TN ES S :

v i d e o , t h e s t r o n g e s t w a y to d o s o i s t o a c t u a l l y a n a l y z e t he i m ag es . B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. S o is th a t a no ? M R. W I LL EN : a ns we r t ha t . T HE W I TN ES S : I t 's - - i t ' s - - bo t h as a ma t te r O b j ec ti on . You d on ' t ha v e to

o f lo g ic a n d a s a -- in t erm s of th e a ct ua l r es u lt s t ha t w e' ve ha d a ft e r w ar ds , t h e b e st w a y to id en t if y a v i d e o a s s e t i s t o a n a l y z e t h e p ic t u r e s . B Y MR . P LA T ZE R : Q. B ut d i d Y o u Tu be ev e r an al yz e a ct u al r e su lt s i n

o r d e r t o r e a c h t h a t c o n c l us i o n ?

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t he t i me p e ri o d im me di a t e ly af te r i t l au nc h ed ? A. I - - I 'd - - i f r ec o l le c ti on se rv e s, d u ri ng th e

f ir st fe w w ee k s th er e - - we we re ca re f ul a b ou t h ow m a ny n ew p a rt ne r s w e to ok on , be c au se we n e ed ed to m a na ge ou r e xp ec t at io n s. T ha t p er io d w a s a ve r y s h or t p er i od . An d o nc e

w e go t c om f or t t ha t t he s ys t em c o u l d h an dl e l oa d , we q ui ck l y mo v ed p a st t ho s e re s tr ic t i o ns . Q. A. Q. A. Q. A. W he n d id Y o uT ub e m o v e p as t t h o se re st r ic ti o ns ? I w ou l d s a y i t w as w it h in a mo nt h . S o No v em b e r o f 2 00 7 ? Y es . O ka y. W e wo u ld n ' t b e d oi n g a n yb od y a ny fa vo r s -- if

I c an of fe r j u s t a l i tt l e b i t mo r e , w e w ou l dn 't be d o in g a ny bo d y an y f a v o rs i f w e of f er ed a sy s te m, go t e ve ry b od y t o do a lo t o f w or k, an d th e n th e s ys t em f e ll o v er a n d d id n' t w or k a t a ll . S o we -- w e d i d ha ve to b al a nc e o ur d e si re to d o ev e ry th i ng i m me di at e l y w i th t h e de s ir e t o pr o vi de a r el ia b le s e rv i c e t o pe o p l e t ha t w e r e p ut ti n g ef f or t i n f ro m t he o t he r s id e. t im e. Q. I k no w w e d is cu s se d ea r li er th e c ir cu m st an c es W e di d n' t w a n t t o wa s te p e op le ' s

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u nd er w h ic h Y ou Tu be wo ul d u se t h e YT -- t he YT U p ar ti ti o n o f th e Au d ib le Ma gi c d at ab a se w it h r es p e c t to v id eo s t ha t h ad b ee n t ak e n do w n . A. Q. U h- hu h . I 'd l ik e t o a sk a s i mi la r s et o f q ue s ti on s Since

a bo ut G o og l e ' s ow n f in ge r pr in t i n g te c hn ol og y . i mp le me n ta t i o n of G o og le ' s ow n f in ge r pr in ti n g t ec hn ol o gy - A. Q. U h- hu h .

- - ar e t he re an y ci r cu ms t a n ce s i n wh i ch a

v id eo t h at i s r em ov e d pu r su an t t o a t ak ed ow n n ot i c e i s f in ge rp r in t e d a nd b l oc ke d g oi n g fo rw a rd ? A. A s pr ev i ou sl y d is cu s se d, w e s wi t ch ed o v er ,

o nc e we ha d t he G o og le t e ch no l o g y in pl ac e, wh en w e - w e -- we s wi t ch ed ov er t h e ba c k en d s o th a t wh en a us e r o f th e C MS s y st em fl ag ge d a v i d e o an d s ai d, pl ea s e c re at e a r e f e re nc e o ff o f t hi s , we d i d so us in g t h e G oo gl e t ec h n o lo gy . So r e al ly a l l my fo rm er te st i m o ny

a ro un d t ha t i ss ue i s - - w ou ld - - w ou l d re ma i n th e s am e r eg ar dl e ss o f w hi ch te ch n ic al b a ck e n d we w e re u s i n g. Q. i n ti me ? M R. W IL L EN : T HE W IT N ES S : Ob je ct i on t o t he f o rm . T ha t i s a s er vi c e th at we s t il l Y ou Tu b e di dn ' t st op do in g t ha t a t so m e po in t

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p re ci se da t e at w hi c h th e b ac k e nd s w it ch ed ov er . T HE R EP O RT E R : Th is is n u mb er 1 3 .

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s wi tc he d o v e r ? A. Q. I w ou ld -- I wo ul d - - I w ou ld s a y 20 0 8. T he c ou r t re p or te r h as h a n d ed y o u wh a t' s be e n It 's a do c u m en t b ea ri ng th e t i t le T he B a te s n u m be r

m ar ke d a s K i n g 13 .

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I t' s a v er y l on g d oc um en t .

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y o u p r o du c e d , a t l e a s t f i v e m o n t h s b y m y c o u n t , w h i c h t h e r e w er e n o c u s t o d i a l d o cu m e n t s p r o d u c e d b y y o u . I a s s u m e y o u w e r e w o r k in g du r i n g t h o s e m on th s; w er e yo u no t? A Q A b s ol u t e l y . A n d i s i t p l a u s i b l e, k no w i n g y o u r p r a c t i c e ,

t h a t y o u g e n e r a t e d n o do c u me n t s d u r i n g t h e c o u r s e o f t h o s e f iv e m o n t h s t h a t w e r e r e l e v a n t t o t h i s l i t i g a t io n ? M R . M A N CI N I : O b j e c t i o n; c al l s f o r a l e g a l

c o n c l u s io n ; c a l l s f o r sp e c ul a t i o n . T H E W I T NE S S : A g a i n , I 'd b e s p e c u l a t i n g a s t o

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S CH MI DT , ER IC t h e c a u se s , b u t t h e n u mb e r s a r e t h e n u m b e r s . M R . B A S KI N : Q. S o a s I u nd e r s t a n d i t , i t i s

f a i r f o r t h e j u r y i n t hi s ca s e t o c o n c l u d e t h a t y o u h a d n i n e c u s t o d i a l d o c um e n ts o v e r t h e n i n e - m o n t h p e r i o d fr o m J u n e 2 0 0 6 to F eb r u a r y 2 0 0 7 ? M R . M A N CI N I : O b j e c t i o n; m is c h a r a c t e r i z a t i o n

o f a d o cu m e n t w h i c h I ' ve a lr e a d y o b j e c t e d t o , a n d o b j e c t i on t o t h e r e f e r en c e t o s o m e h o w a j u r y b e i n g p re se nt i n th is r oo m. T H E W I T NE S S : M R . B A S KI N : I c a n ' t sp e a k f o r a j u r y . Q. N o w , by t he w a y , u n d e r t h e

G o o g l e sy s t e m , a s y o u kn o w i t , a r e a l l y o u r e - m a i l s p r e s e r v ed ? M R . M A N CI N I : T H E W I T NE S S : q u e s t i o n. M R . B A S KI N : l i m i t s he r e . A I 'm a n en gi ne er . I' d li k e t o g i v e y o u a n Q. I kn o w yo u ma y be t es ting my O bj ec ti o n to f or m. Y o u n e e d t o as k a m o r e p r e c i s e

e x a c t l y t r u t h f u l a n s w e r. Q O k a y. A s s u m i n g t h at y ou h a d t o g o b a c k t o

l o o k t o s e e i f t h e r e w er e mo r e t h a n 1 9 c u s t o d i a l d o c u m e n ts o v e r t h e c o u rs e of n i n e m o n t h s , i n c l u d i n g y o u r e - ma i l s , w o u l d i t b e po s s i b l e f o r G o o g l e t o f i n d

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S CH MI DT , ER IC t h o s e d oc u m e n t s ? M R . M A N CI N I : T H E W I T NE S S : M R . B A S KI N : F eb ru ar y 20 07 . A N o. M R . M A N CI N I : T H E W I T NE S S : S a m e o b j ec t i on . I ' m s o r r y. O b j e c t i o n; l ac k s f o u n d a t i o n . O v e r w h a t p e ri o d ? Q. J u n e 20 0 6 , l e t ' s - - t o

T h e a n s we r i s n o . M R . B A S KI N : Q. A n d f ro m Fe b r u a r y 2 0 0 7 u n t i l

A p r i l 2 00 8 , d o y o u - - wh a t a b o u t t h e e - m a i l s a s s o c i a te d w i t h t h a t t im e pe r i o d ? C ou ld G o og le

r et ri ev e th os e e- ma il s a nd l oc at e th em if a sk ed ? M R . M A N CI N I : O bj ec ti o n to f or m.

D i d y o u m e a n A p r i l 2 0 0 8? M R . B A S KI N : d i f f e r e nt l y . Q Hu h? W e l l, l et m e p h r a s e i t

L e t m e p hr a s e i t d i f f e r e n t l y .

D u r in g t h e e n t i r e pe r i od f r o m 2 0 0 1 u n t i l w e l l

u n d e r 2 00 8 , b y o u r c o u nt y ou p r o d u c e d 7 9 1 c u s t o d i a l d o c u m e n ts . T h a t c o v e r s a b ou t s e v e n o r e i g h t y e a r s .

I f G o o g le h a d t o g o b a ck a nd r e t r i e v e y o u r e -m ai ls f or , le t' s sa y , th e pe ri od 2 00 5, a r e th os e r e t r i e v ab l e , a s f a r a s y o u k n o w , s i r ? M R . M A N CI N I : S a m e o b j ec t i on t o t h e u s e o f

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S CH MI DT , ERIC A Q Yeah. -- I thought you said that for 30 years it's

been your practice not to preserve or to delete e -m ai ls ? MR. MANCINI: Objection to form; objection to

the characterization of the testimony. MR. BASKIN: A Q. Is that accurate?

Again, I'll answer the question previously

asked, which was it has been my practice to not keep my e-mails. Q And is this on some sort of automatic system

where they are deleted in the ordinary course over some ordinary period of time? MR. MANCINI: lacks foundation. THE WITNESS: D e pe nd in g on t h e e- ma il s ys te m Objection to form; objection,

and the company and so forth, the answer would vary. MR. BASKIN: Q Ok a y. Wha t w as

Well, let's take Google in 2005.

your practice then as to the length of time in which you preserved your e-mails before they were deleted? MR. MANCINI: THE WITNESS: O b je ct io n to f o rm. It was my practice to delete or

otherwise cause the e-mails that I had read to go away

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S CH MI DT , ERIC as quickly as possible. MR. BASKIN: A Q Y es . And I assume that practice carried over to Q. W it hi n da ys ?

2 00 6 an d 2007 a n d 20 08 ? MR. MANCINI: THE WITNESS: Objection; lacks foundation. In -- again, without the

specific dates, in principle, yes. MR. BASKIN: Q. Now, when the lawsuit was

filed in February 2007, did anyone instruct you that you should preserve your e-mails relevant to the litigation? Excuse me. As of -- excuse me. As o f th e

filing of this complaint, which is March of 2007, did anyone instruct you to preserve your e-mails that might be relevant to this litigation? MR. MANCINI: O b je ct io n to t h e ex te nt i t

calls for a privileged communication. THE WITNESS: I want to be careful not to

discuss a legal conversation that I had. You used a precise month. A -- a c le ar - - a

clear and precise answer would be that I did change my practice after this lawsuit was filed and I was notified.

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S CH MI DT , ERIC MR. BASKIN: Q. But if I'm reading our chart

right, for example, in the following month, April, you had zero custodial documents you've produced. Is that -- were you preserving e-mails during the month of April? MR. MANCINI: Objection; same objection to

the use of this document. THE WITNESS: Again, ignoring the document,

which I have not seen and have no comment on, after I was notified of the protective order, I changed my p ol ic y. MR. BASKIN: Q. And were you notified -- do

you recall if you were notified of the protective order prior to, let's say, June 2007? A I don't remember -MR. MANCINI: THE WITNESS: O b je ct io n to f o rm. S o rr y.

I don't remember the precise date. MR. BASKIN: n ot e. Q p ol ic y? Good question. How did you effectuate the change of this What did you do? MR. MANCINI: THE WITNESS: O b je ct io n to f o rm. O k ay . I u nd er s tood t he Now -- excuse me. I'm getting a

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SCHMIDT, ERIC protective order, and if there were any e-mails that were covered by the protective order, I did not delete or otherwise cause them to go away. MR. BASKIN: Q. S o yo u ma de th e ju dg me nt

yourself whether it was covered by the protective o rd er ? MR. MANCINI: O b je ct io n; l ac ks fo un da ti on ;

mischaracterizes testimony. THE WITNESS: I wo ul d ne ed t o d is cu ss a l eg a l

conversation to answer your question. I t ma y be hel pf u l to s ay t ha t w e ul ti ma te ly m ad e th e syst em mo re a ut om at ic to m ak e th is o pe ra ti on - - we op er at io na li zed i t. Th at m a y help

your -- the confusion over the numbers that you have i n th e ch art. MR. BASKIN: Q Ex c us e me o ne s eco nd .

N ow , when yo u ma de t he - - t he a ss es sm e nt w ha t

was, in your mind, relevant to the protective order a nd t he - - an d t he l aw su it , did y ou a ct ua ll y l oo k at the document request in this case? MR. MANCINI: t es ti mo ny . THE WITNESS: A g ai n, i n or de r t o an sw er y ou r O b je ct io n; m is cha ra ct er iz es

q ue st io n, I w ou l d ha ve t o di scu ss a c on ve rs a ti on w e

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S CH MI DT , ER IC h ad w it h ou r la wy er s. M R . B A S KI N : Q. B u t a ll I a s k e d w a s , d i d

y o u - - an d w i t h y o u r o wn e y e s , d i d y o u a c t u a l l y s e e t h e d o c um e n t r e q u e s t i n t h i s c a s e ? M R . M A N CI N I : T H E W I T NE S S : M R . B A S KI N : O bj ec ti o n to f or m. I b el ie v e I di d. Q. An d a s yo u si t he re tod ay ,

s i r , d o es i t s e e m r e a l is t i c t o y o u t h a t t h e n u m b e r o f c u s t o d i al d o c u m e n t s p r od u c e d - - r e p - - s t a t e d - - s e t f o r t h o n S c h m i d t E x h i b it 1 i s t h e c o m p l e t e s e t o f d o c u m e n ts t h a t c o r r e s p on d s t o t h e d o c u m e n t r e q u e s t ? M R . M A N CI N I : A g a i n , o bj e c t i o n t o t h e u s e o f

t h i s d o cu m e n t a n d o b j e ct i o n b e c a u s e i t l a c k s f o u n d a t io n . T H E W I T NE S S : M R . B A S KI N : Q T h e a n s w er i s y e s . Ok ay .

N o w - - n o w , t h e b o ar d - - t h e G o o g l e b o a r d

a u t h o r i ze d t h e a c q u i s i ti o n o f Y o u T u b e i n - - i n a n d a r o u n d Oc t o b e r 2 0 0 6 ; i s t h a t r i g h t , s i r ? A Q T h a t' s r o u g h l y c o r re c t , y e s . A nd a m I ri gh t th a t ba si ca ll y th e ac qu i si ti on

c l o s e d in a n d a r o u n d N ov e m b e r ? A Q T h a t' s r o u g h l y c o r re c t , y e s . N o w , p r i o r t o O c t o be r 2 0 0 6 , d i d y o u k n o w

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S CH MI DT , ERIC of any errors in it. MR. BASKIN: Q. Now, if you'd turn to the

page 12 of the board book that's Bated stamped -- it has Bates stamp numbers 3573. at that for a second, sir? A Q I d o see i t, y es . And just take a look at that for a second, Could you take a look

and just tell me whether you can -- whether you read this page as containing a discounted cash flow analysis by CSFB with respect to YouTube. MR. MANCINI: O b je ct io n to t h e

characterization of the document; the document speaks for itself; and objection to form. THE WITNESS: I don't recall this page, so I

would be speculating as to what it really is trying to c on ve y. I do see that it's their calculation about

revenue and YouTube and discounted cash flows under some assumption. MR. BASKIN: Q. And you see, I take it, on

t he f ac e of p ag e 1 2 of Sch mi d t Ex hi bi t 2 th a t th ei r base case valuation for YouTube was Do you see that? MR. MANCINI: O b je ct io n to t h e

characterization of the document.

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SC HMID T, ERI C T H E W I T N ES S : do cume nt , ye s. M R . B A S K IN : Q. We ll , in the c ou rse o f the I -- I read that as I se e the

d i s c u s s i on s w i t h t h e b o a r d o n O c t o b e r 9 t h , 2 0 0 6 , w a s t h e r e a di s c u s s i o n o f v a l ua t i o n o f Y o u T u b e ? A Q Ye s. A n d do y o u r e c a l l w h e th e r t h e r e w a s a n

a l t e r n a t iv e v a l u a t i o n p r o vi d e d b y m a n a g e m e nt , f o r in stan ce , CS FB 's -M R . M A N C IN I : M R . B A S K IN : v a l u a t i o n? M R . M A N C IN I : M R . B A S K IN : l e t m e r ep h r a s e i t . Q D o y ou r e c a l l w h e t h e r m a n a g e m e n t h a d a Objec ti on t o form . T h a t w a s a l ou s y q u e s t i o n , s o Objec ti on t o form . Q. - - d e t e r mi n a t i o n o f

v a l u a t i o n i n d e p e n d e n t o f wh a t C S F B w a s c o m mu n i c a t i n g t o t h e b oa r d ? M R . M A N C IN I : T H E W I T N ES S : M R . B A S K IN : v a l u a t i o n? A Q A n d ho w w a s t h a t c o m m un i c a t e d t o t h e b oa r d , Objec ti on t o form . Yes. Q. An d what was m an ageme nt 's

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S CH MI DT , ERIC s ir ? A Q I told them. So why don't you tell us what you remember

telling the board in connection with the valuation? A I believed YouTube was worth somewhere around . Q And you communicated that to the Board of

Directors of YouTube -A Q A Q I did. -- of Google? I did. And was that -- what methodology did you use

to come up with that number? MR. MANCINI: THE WITNESS: MR. BASKIN: analysis? O b je ct io n to f o rm. My judgment. Q. W as i t ba se d on ca sh flo w W ha t -- w h at w er e

Comparable companies?

you using as the basis for your judgment? MR. MANCINI: THE WITNESS: done this a long time. MR. BASKIN: Q. So you orally communicated O b je ct io n to f o rm. I t 's j us t my j u dgme nt . I 'v e

to your board, during the course of the board meeting, that you thought a more correct valuation for YouTube

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