Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. et al

Filing 1381

Unredacted Declaration of Brett Arnold ISO Samsung's MSJ by Samsung Electronics America, Inc.(a New York corporation), Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., Samsung Telecommunications America, LLC(a Delaware limited liability company) re 1256 Order on Administrative Motion to File Under Seal, (Dkt. Nos. 930, 943) (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit 1 to Arnold, # 2 Exhibit 2 to Arnold, # 3 Exhibit 3 to Arnold, # 4 Exhibit 5 to Arnold, # 5 Exhibit 10 to Arnold, # 6 Exhibit 11 to Arnold, # 7 Exhibit 12 to Arnold, # 8 Exhibit 15 to Arnold)(Maroulis, Victoria) (Filed on 7/26/2012) Modified text on 7/27/2012 (dhm, COURT STAFF).

EXHIBIT 12

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UNITED STATES INTERNATIONAL TRADE COMMISSION

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Washington, D.C.

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Before the Honorable Charles E. Bullock

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Acting Chief Administrative Law Judge

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In the Matter of:

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CERTAIN ELECTRONIC DIGITAL

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MEDIA DEVICES AND COMPONENTS ) Inv. No. 337-TA-796

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THEREOF

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DEPOSITION OF KURT DAMMERMANN

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FRIDAY, MARCH 23, 2012

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REPORTED BY:

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JANIS JENNINGS, CSR 3942, CLR, CCRR
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BY MR. ZELLER:
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Did anyone from industrial design ever ask

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you to procure from a vendor or otherwise request

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from a vendor a display screen that was in any color

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other than the color of the display screen in its

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off position that you actually have there in front

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of you as part of the iPhone that was released to

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market that we've marked as Exhibit 5?

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MS. RAHEBI:
ambiguous.

Objection.

Vague and

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Assumes facts not in evidence.
THE WITNESS:

Yeah, I don't recall whether

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or not someone asked me for that.

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BY MR. ZELLER:

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Q.

Is there, generally speaking -- let's set

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aside this particular project for a moment.

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it, generally speaking, you have some familiarity

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with displays.

I take

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Yes.

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Q.

And is there a typical default color that

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you're aware of for display screens when they're

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turned off?

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MS. RAHEBI:

Objection.

Vague and

ambiguous.
THE WITNESS:

No.

I don't know that there

is a typical default color.
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BY MR. ZELLER:
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I take it that prior to the time that you

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began working on the M68 project, you'd seen display

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screens that were turned off?

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Yes.

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And what colors had you seen for display

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screens when they were turned off prior to the time

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that you first became involved with the M68 project?

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MS. RAHEBI:
in evidence.

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Objection.

Assumes facts not

Misstates prior testimony.

He's indicated he wasn't involved in the
M68 project.

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THE WITNESS:

So if you're asking about

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displays I saw at Apple, I can't recall ever seeing

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colored displays when they were turned off, but they

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were typically grays and blacks and various warm

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grays, cool grays.

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BY MR. ZELLER:

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Q.

I'm actually even asking before you

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started working on the phone project when you were

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there at Apple.

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So let me reframe it a little bit.

I take it prior to the time that you first

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began working on any phone project there at Apple,

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whether it was gray for M68 or any other name --

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prior to that time, I take it you had seen display
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components when they were turned off.
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Yes.

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MS. RAHEBI:

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BY MR.

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Q.

Assumes facts not

in evidence.

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Objection.

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And then focusing on -MS. RAHEBI:

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objection.

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Sorry.

Let me just finish my

BY MR. ZELLER:

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Q.

Vague and ambiguous.

And focusing on those displays that you

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saw prior to that time, before that phone project

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there at Apple, what colors do you recall seeing for

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the display screens that were in their off position?

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MS. RAHEBI:

Objection.

Vague and

ambiguous.

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THE WITNESS:

Yeah, I mean, it's hard to

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characterize.

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dark colors, some lighter than others.

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BY MR. ZELLER:

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It's a long time ago.

But grays,

And with respect to that first iPhone that

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you have there in front of you that we marked as

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Exhibit 5, just so we have a common terminology

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here, what color would you call that display screen,

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the active area that's turned off right now?

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I would call that gray.
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