Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. et al

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Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Samsung's Opposition to Apple's Motion for Partial Summary Judgment filed by Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd.. (Attachments: #1 Trac Declaration in Support of Motion to File Under Seal, #2 Samsung's Opposition to Apple's Motion for Partial Summary Judgment, #3 Hecht Declaration in Support of Opposition to Motion for Partial Summary Judgment, #4 Ex A, #5 Ex B1, #6 Ex B2, #7 Ex C1, #8 Ex C2, #9 Ex D, #10 Ex E, #11 Ex F1, #12 Ex F2, #13 Ex F3, #14 Ex F4, #15 Ex G, #16 Ex H, #17 Ex I, #18 Ex J1, #19 Ex J2, #20 Ex J3, #21 Ex J4, #22 Ex J5, #23 Ex J6, #24 Ex J7, #25 Ex J8, #26 Ex J9, #27 Ex J10, #28 Ex J11, #29 Ex K1, #30 Ex K2, #31 Ex K3, #32 Ex L, #33 Ex M, #34 Ex N, #35 Ex O1, #36 Ex O2, #37 Ex P1, #38 Ex P2, #39 Ex Q1, #40 Ex Q2, #41 Ex Q3, #42 Ex Q4, #43 Ex Q5, #44 Ex Q6, #45 Ex Q7, #46 Ex R, #47 Ex S1, #48 Ex S2, #49 Rosenbrock Declaration in Support of Opposition to Motion for Partial Summary Judgment, #50 Ex 1, #51 Ex 2, #52 Ex 3, #53 Ex 4, #54 Ex 5, #55 Ex 6, #56 Ex 7, #57 Ex 8, #58 Ex 9, #59 Ex 10, #60 Ex 11, #61 Ex 12, #62 Ex 13, #63 Ex 14, #64 Ex 15, #65 Ex 16, #66 Ex 17, #67 Ex 18, #68 Proposed Order Denying Apple's Motion for Summary Judgment, #69 Proposed Order Granting Samsung's Administrative Motion to File Under Seal)(Maroulis, Victoria) (Filed on 4/2/2012) Modified on 4/3/2012 Attachment #1 Trac Declaration placed under seal. Posting of attachments #16, 18, 19, 20 through 33, 37, 38, 47 and 48 are NOT in compliance with General Order 62 (dhm, COURT STAFF).

EXHIBIT 12

ETSI GA ahg on IPR#2
Sophia Antipofis,
3 - 4 March 2003

Source:

!5 May 2003
page 1 of 20

GA Secretary

Title:

ETSI GA/IPR02(03)14 rev. 1

Secretary’s meeting notes
Note:

These are nol formal minutes but the Secretary’s detailed notes of the meeting.
Important issues and agreed decisions/actions are hi.qhligllted Text quoted directly
from emails/d0cuments s’given n Blue.

Opening of the meeting and adoption of the agenda
Karl Heinz Rosenbrock. Director-Genera., opened the meeting and welcomed the attendees. The draft
agenda was adopted [GA!IPR02(03)01]:
Secretary’s raw notes to be provided immediately after the meeting.

2

Results from Questionnaire sent to ETSI Members

Stephane Tronchon reported thatthe questionnaire had been sent to the members as CL 2233. So
far, ten replies have been received: two in favour of removing the SUN declaration and eight in favour
of keeping it and adding a note referring to the EC comments.
Director-General - insufficient replies to be representative.

3

Discussion of issues

Director-General - documents provided from issue managers are the basis for consolidation on each
"issue and are to be further.developed to provide the final result on each.
3.1

Timely disclosure of essential IPRs (John Phillips)

John Phillips introduced [GA/IPR02(03)08]. May be Some overlap with Issue 2.
Section by section:
section 2.1 - no problems
section 2.2 - Director-General highlighted first sentence as important:
section 3.1 Recommendation 1: There should be no further definition of timely since this would change the policy,
but we should implement mechanisms to improve timelin~ess and deal as far as possible with the
uncertainties,
Lafuente - comments provided on document [GA/IPR02(03)08 - comments ALB]. Highlighting that TB
Chairman’s guide is not accurate and needs clarification, see below:
We do not believe that a definition of "timely" would necessarily imply to change the policy. The
definition could be added to the Technical Body Chairman’s Guide as a reference. We
nevertheless believe that it is better to define what is "out of time" or "unfair delay" within the
scope of "issue#02 - Issues arising from Late submission of IPR declarations."
For better guidance, it is also proposed to extend the text included in page 6 of the TB
Chairman’s guide as follows:
"A formal call for IPR must be made by the Chairman at the beginning of each meeting. A
shorter call for IPRs should be made:

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i)
ii)

iii)
iv)

On formal submission of a technical solution
On completion of the first stable draft of the Standard;
On working group approva of a draft Standard
On TB approval of a draft standard

Any essential or potentially essential IPR declaralion shall be made at the earliest possible
stage within i) to iv) above,"
Phillips - happy to include a recommendation to update the guide.
Ibottson - many possibilities that TB members have no obligation to search, early disclosure
encouraged but may not happen until standard is stable to prevent many declarations which become
irrelevant, need to find balance between early disclosure and timely disclosure.
KHR - encourage early/timely general declaration and with further clarifications to follow.
Wimmer - is Chairman’s guide sufficient for highlighting these issues, could consider other ways to do
it
KHR - lets focus on addressing the problems and then decided how to implement¯
Love - what about third parties, concept of timelymay be different, more of a problem than member’s
IPRs. Encourage Members to raise the tssue of ri:l party IPRs as soon as they become aware of
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them.
Kar - what about use of simple form for third party declarations.
Tronchon - this is already current practice in ETSI (e.g. when informed, the ETSI Secretariat contacts
the IPR holder to inform about the ETSI IPR Policy obligations and to ask about his position) From a
contractual point of view it is not possible to make a declaration on behalf of someone else (you cannot
bind a third party, the IPR, declaration has to come from the third par:ty itself).
section 3.2 "
Recommendation 2: The implementation guide should recommend specific mechanisms to all l
members having IPR portfolios which improve their internal IPR coordination processes and ensure as
far as possible that their standards body attendees’ understand their obligations, and know how to
discharge them.

I

Tronchon - current practice is to perform an IPR call at the beginning of every TB/WG meeting.
KHR - is this valid ?.
Phillips - OK within ETSI but need to make suggestions towards the iniernal process of the Members
themselves.
Lafuente - Draft text proposed to be included in the TB Chairman’s Guide (or in the "IPR
Implementation Guide):
In order to settle down the basis for a "timely" disclose of IPR coming from ETSI members, an
appropriate internal information policy should be established by those ETSI members which
may have essential IPR. The objective of this internal information policy is to guarantee that
participants in technical working groups within.ETSl Technica Bodies are aware of any
essential or potentially essential IPR its company may have related the on-going work on a
particular ETSI STANDARD or TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION
Recommendation 3: The implementation guide should encourage members to use general IPR
declarations and then refine or withdraw their declarations as more information becomes available.

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Lafuente - proposals for additional text:
As a specific example (which will need to be developed), the guide on the implementation of the IPR
policy should invite members who may have essential IPRs to adopt the following procedures:
At the approval of a new Work Item members should be encouraged to provide a general
declaration under the existing IPR policy relating to any products meeting the standards which
emerge from that work item. If the IPR declaration is related to either granted patents or public
patent applications, this information should also be provided in a detailed IPR declaration.
At the stages of completion of the first stable draft of the standard, working group approval of a
draft standard and approval of the draft standard oy the Technical Body, members providing a
general declaration under a specific Work Item should be invited to refine or remove their
general declaration. If during any of these stages there are either granted patents or 3ublic
patent applications not previously declared, this information should be provided, at the earliest
possible stage, in a detailed IPR declaration.
KHR - difficult to make individual declarations at the creation of a new WI as the scope is not clear at
that point.
Lafuetne - if IPR does exist and is clear then should be declared at this time.
KHR - agrees if possible.but may be a general statement and follow-u p with detailed declaration later.
Kar - if the call results in no declaration information then this should be noted (as per Document 08).
Lafuente - but some people do not declare and then leave iot very late.
KHR - difficult to be corn plete ask Phil~ to i_nctude tt~ese ideas.
Hengevoss - two other communities: IPR holders not members of ETSI, and members not active in
the TB who may also have an IPR.
KHR - problem is how to cc~Hdlunicate to the members not active in the TI~ ?~
Lafuente - proposal for new Recommendation:
Recommendation 3a: work closely with other SDOs and propose then to adopt ETSI procedures
related "timely" disclosure of IPR. This proposal should be based on the outcome of this GA Ad Hoc
Group.
Adams - welcomes passing on our findings to other organizations, valuable cross-fertilization, e.g. ITU.
KHR - a.,qreed that after GA approval we will disseminate our results to all other SDOs (via GSC ?),
Action on all to consider mechanisms for members internal processes for management of IPR
portfolios. Phillips to include these ideas.

Section 3.3
Recommendation 4: The implementation guide should recommend that those members developing
products based on standards where there may be essential IPRs, but there is uncertainty, should put in
place financial contingency, based on their assessment of "reaSonable" (a separate issue in this
discussion’) against the possibility that license fees might become payable.
Lafuente disagrees - We do not agree with recommendation 4 as it is going too far. The decision to put
in place a financial contingency to be prepared for the payment of license fees, if that would finally be
the case, is an internal company decision and ETSI should not make any recommendation on this
ISSUe.

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Ibbotson - Rec.4 is a good business sense recommendation, even though the its the individual
members business to do it or not.
Lafuente- information on IPR existence affects all members but financial is a corn pany matter only.
KHR.- should not prevent members providing examples of "good practice"
Kar - seems like a good recommendation, up to the member to follow or ignore.
KHR - Lafuente position noted but majority in favour of keepinq initial Recommendation 4.
Hengevoss - text could be perceived as a threat to marketing people.
KHR- idea is to remind members that some license fees may be payable and early provision should
be made to cover them.
Love - this simply backs up the policy with states that IPR holders should be adequately and fairly
rewarded for the use of their IPRs.
3.2

"Late" IPR Information Statement and Licensing Declaration (Peter Adams)

Peter Adams - [GAilPR02(03)02].
KHR Philli#slAdams to resolve overla~ issues between 01 & 02,
Section 2
Lafuente - at TB level Non-availability of licenses may be the only problem. For ETSI members also
may be related to FRAND and late declarations.
Adams -.need to make a distinction between late declarations and actual cost of licenses. The-latter is
not an ETSI issue.
Kar - if there is a declaration then either no licenses or must be under FRAND.
KHR - note comment from Lafuente.
KHR - 3’d bullet, re. "unfair delay is not always intended" ?
Adams - should be simply "extra delay..." as delay can be due to error or omission rather than
deliberate.
Tronchon - bullet 6, re. Article 8 - what is a substantially breach and then what are the obligations.
Obligations are to inform in a timely manner, then to make a licensing declaration. At present, timely is
not tightly defined - late declaration is not necessarily a breach.
Lafuente - minimum is to document and demonstrate in writing when a breaclq is suspected.
Kar - if a general declaration has been made then subsequent declaration cannot be late, however
there may be a commercial issue.
Lafuente Article 8 of the Statutes: "Expulsion shall be decided by the General Assembly for non-payment
of contribution or for other substantial breach of obligations as a member". There ~s no need to
change the Policy; there is just a need to determinate if an unfair delay may be considered as a
substantial breach of the obligations of an ETSI member.
Adams - seems that text is doc.02 is basically - maybe change unfair delay to unreasonable delay.
Seems to be that we are trying to define something which is outside of the present policy.

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KHR - Lafuente point is only relevant to case where a members has deliberately delayed declaration to
obstruct the policy, in this case then some sort of penalty by the GA could be foreseen. This would not
necessarily need to be a change of the policy.
Lafuente - if you can demonstrate that a member has an IPR and are aware of it but do not declare it
(or refuse to declare it) then this would be a breach.
Tronchon - in such a case only the GA could decide if this is a breach of ETSI policy or not - but
penalty issue is difficult.
KHR - ok, proving is a different issue, case under discussion is assuming proof is available,
Adams - seems to be a dangerous situation for such a GA decisions.
Frain - even if a member is expelled then the PR would still exist but would be from a 3ra party. So
expuls on may not be a good penalty.
Tronchon - even then we dea! with it as a normal 3r~ party issue - most likely that we would already
have to consider redrafting the standard - this could be more problematic.
KHR - Lafuente ~o_#_provide clear proposals/exanlAle 1[or inclusion in next document.
Love - in the US, there is a case of a company who deliberately retracted their SDO membership to
escape from FRAND conditions. Note for background information (Rambus).
Sanchez, case has been reversed and is being completely re-run. Problem can be for ETSI members,
being’ taken to court in the US and then having a large court ruling against them because the US court
doesn’t understand the rules.
KHR - should make this case info available as input for future discussion
Wimmer - re bullet 2. other SDOs, what happens when ETSI takes over something from another SDO
and no IPR call has been performed
Adams - this is a particular case. This text covers "on-block"usage of other SDO work Maybe need
to add gu dance in TB Chairman’s guide to contact ETSI legal advisor before acce#ting input from
outside bodies.
Ibbotson - if PAS then normal process applies and it includes an IPR check provision.
Lafuente - Proposals to sanction "unfair delays" may be considered as "recommendations" or as
"imp ementat on guidelines" to be included in the Technical Body Chairman’s Guide or in the "ETSI IPR
Policy guidelines". We agree that issues related to sanctions are more reJated with issue 7 - Dispute
resolution.
King (by email) - Perhaps could define the delay as "intentional delay" rather than "unfair delay", where
the intent must be evidenced by some tangible evidence. E.g., the party later seeks additional
licensing fees for the patent which was not timely declared. If a portfolio of patents is licensed, this
would not typically be an issue, since even if the patent was late being declared, no additional licensing
fees would be charged by the portfolio licensor. Adams - to consider in next version.
Lafuente - re. last bullet:
Alternative proposal: it is proposed to extend the text included in page 6 of the TB Chairman’s
guide as follows:
"A formal call for IPR must be made by the Chairman at the beginning of each meeting. A
shorter call for IPRs should be made:

v)
vi)

vii)
viii)

On formal submission of a technical solution
On completion of the first stable draft of the Standard;
On working group approval of a draft Standard
On TB approval of a draft standard

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Any essential or potentially essential IPRdeclaration shall be made at the earliest possible
stage within i) to iv) above (already proposed on issue 1 # Timely disclosure of essential
IPRs)."
A declaration not made at the earliest possible staqe may be considered as made "out of time"
if there are evidences that demonstrate that the delay was unfair and intentional.
Sanchez - if you don’t assert you IPR rights you may loose it.
Tronchon - this is not the case under French (civil) law.
Adams - to take proposal into consideration. Need to identify between adding to the Policy and
changing the policy. This could be in the grey area of change or clarification.
Section 3
Lafuente - see version of document with comments.
re. bullet 1 ) - implementations may be delayed if there are late declarations.
KHR - basic issue is if a late declaration is only a major problem if it does not comply with FRAND.
Adams - remove "only".
re. bullet 2) - comment Lafuente a_9_reed.
re. bullet 3) - risk in direction of change to policy ?
Hengevos - supports the 3/6 months idea. Kar also supports but it means that a company which does
not even come with a general statement within 6 months should have their IPR excluded E
Kar - a member bringing an IPR declaration after the publication nof atsndards should not be permitted
to block implementation. "
Urie - what happens if someone misses the fact that the have an IPR - would the company then take
court action agnaist other members for use of IPR without a license. KHR - please provide written
inputs for consideration.
re. bullet 4) -comment Lafuente noted.
Ibbotson - difficult subject, not sure what’s timely, not sure what’s unfair, need te focus on ETSrs role
as a standards body. Should not get involved in commercial issues of members companies.
KHR - any members can appeal to the GA at any time.
Adams - ETSI policy in-line with ITU policy. In ITU have had cases of standards being stopped due to
IPR issues.
Urie - fixed timing is dangerous, should focus on defining the crime.
re. bullet 5) - comment Lafuente noted under out-of-scope. Need to define first then look for how to
handle.
re. bullet 6) - comment Lafuente _n0_t_e__d_. Need to define first then look for how to handle.
3.3

Challenges to declaration of essentiality (Albin Schaetzle)

Document presented by Alistair Urie for Albin Schatzle [GA/IPR02(03)07].

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Section 1) =ok
Section 2) =ok
Section 3.1) =
Kar - if only a court can judge on it then we should have a European court.
KHR - what does IPR policy 6.2 say.
Urie - 6.2 covers only requests to investigate a search for an IPR which has 5ot been notified.
Sanchez - thinks ETSl did this in the past.
KHR - so we see that article 6.2 cannot be used to request ETSI to check the essentiality of a notified
IPR only to search for non-notified IPR.
Frain - article 6.2 is not related to investigated essent a ty, it is related to searching f()r missing IPRs.
KHR ~ what does 6.2 really say for ETSI.
Adams -does not express any judgement on essentiality, always "maybe be" or "may become".
Lafuente - believes that the logical conclusion of article 6.2 could imply the removal of a declaration if
the investigation shows that its non-essential.
Urie - this fits better under section 3.2.2.
Tronchon - 6.2 has no obligation for ETSI to prove essentiality - only to search for missing IPRs.
Lafuente - "an investigation including an IPR search" so can be anything.
KHR - majority seem to understand that this means that the EC cannot use this clause tO challenge an
existing declaration but only to search for undeclared IPRs. Noted that Lafuente does not agree.
Ibbotson - even then the best ETSl could achieve is a legal OPINION and no! a decision.
Hengevoss - is there any other article which cou d be used to force ETSI to perform a search or check
= no.

Urie - no concl;usion under 6.2 could cancel the obligation under 6.1 to publish information.
KHR - Sto p this discussion. Mai.o_r!ty_.undgrst_a._rtd t h__at th_e..EC_.c.#x.tnot_u_s_e_thisc a&!._se...6_2 t0. c hallerLqe an.
existinq declaration but only" to search for undeclared IPRs.
Section 3.2
Kar - as notifications in the database are bone-fide ETSI cannot removed them or change them in any
way.
Urie - ETSI can add to complete and existing declaration, to update legal information or to add
additional information.
Adams - clear that ETSI can update the database with facts but cannot give any opinion.
Lafuente - supports ad’diti0n of warning messages as customers believe that existence of a declaration
means that there is a need to pay license fees so they want to see all additional information included
(as a minimum a warning message).
Surf - can only publish bone-fide information or information which has been validated, otherwise it is
only hearsay. Must include disclaimers and pass the buck to the source of the information.

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Ibbotson - need to be careful, even with information from the EC. Must avoid being used for political
purposes. ETSl should not get involved. Would think twice about accepting any comment except from
a court judgement¯
Urie - how do we decided what is valid source, need to agree on the three bullets first.
Adams Kar - information could be miss-used or used to change a standard to avoid ......
Tronchon - ETSI would only reflect information which is public, of a certain legitimacy and only when
agreed by the membersh p.
Pocknell - don’t see the difference between a bo0a-fide declaration and a bona-fine challenges.
Kallay - burden of proof is on4he-ehallengerlndeed there is no reason to place a hi,qher burden of proof
on the IPR-challenqer than onthe entity declaring the IPRs. Mr. Tronchon’s suq.qested interpretation
assumes that all IPR declarations true and represent essential IPRs and thus do not require proof,
while declarations challenflin,q IPR are presumed invalid unless positively proven. What is the rationale
behind placing all the burden of proof on the challenqer alone? Note that atlocatinq the burden of proof
in this manner inherently tilts the policy in favor or IPR hoiders and aqainst entities which possess less
or qo IPRs. Therefore common sense gives that the burden of proof should rest equally or both
contenderst.
KHR - if the holder agrees to FRAND does it matter whether its essential ornot.
Sanchez - in the beginning of GSM, ETSI did look at the IPR issues and resolved a number of patent
issues, re. the database, in UScourtS this is being used to justify the validity of essential IPRs, also
with the proof of burden shifted. List is being used for purposes which was not intende(~.
Ibbotson - ETSI did not perform GSM searches it was the pre-ETSI CEPT working group.
Buttrick - yes, exact.
Friis - message is that people are mls-using our database.
Tronchon - use of database is covered in 5.
Hengevoss - SMEs suffer from not-having their own IPR portfolio for exchange so they rely on-the
ETSI database - SMEs wan[ all valid information to be available.
Frain - if updates are allowed, how do you set the threshold to decide its valid irqput for addition.
Kar - issue is who takes responsibility for publishing it. Why not create an IPR discussion forum on the
website and let all concerned debate openly about comments/challenges to declarations.
KHR - back to’three bullets under 3.2.2 = first two bullets agreed - difficult to decide on 3rd,
Section 3.2.3
KHR- reaction of TB if there is a change. ?
Lafuente - if an IPR becomes non-essential then the implementations don’t need to’ pay license fees.
Wimmer - if some changes from non-essential to essential no change needed. If from essential to
non-essential then change to database so people know they don’t need licenses
section 3.2.4) removal

1 Chan.qe requested by Dina Kallay.

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Urie - if a court proves non-essential then can be removed. Problem if ETSI removes something
because it believes its non-essential and then a court finds it is essentia - oops..
Frain - notifications in database are indicating that there is a risk that there may be an IPR, so should
not delete anything from the database.
Surf - could have two sections: essential and non-essential.
Lafuente - could be deleted upon a Board decisions or resulti9ng from article 6.2.
KHR - if there is a court decision stating that an IPR is non-essential can we remove it. No because
the court is only valid on a national basis.
Sanchez - in US you can get different decisions from different federal courts on the same ~atent.
Friss - the fact that is is in the database is the only issue which matters.
Ibbotson - courts only decided on individual inff:ingements for a particular implementations and not on
the essentiality of the IPR.
KHR - so we can’t trust court decisions.
Urie - seems that conclusion is that we never remove a declaration excpet on request of the patent
holder.
Frain - a different issue if a court decides that a patent is invalid, i.e is not a valid patent (Urie - careful
even that is only national).
Hengevos - but we can always change the status without removing it.
KHR - can the_ETSI GA decide to remove a declaration ? = only the owner of the declaration can
remove it. !!
Section 4 = updates are encora eq_~d.
Section 5

5.1 = OK
5.2 =OK
Breidthardt - but if there is an essentia IPR but FRAND is refused would it be included in the database.
KHR - if there is an essential IPR and the owner is not prepared to grant licenses (member or not
member) then we have to take action on the standard.
Frain - late disclosure and conduct could have impact on the market. What about false declarations,
even knowin.qly false declarations ?

KHR - every Member has the option to decide on its own accord (risk) to decide to pay license fees or
not.
Frain - if not sanctions for false declarations what is there to stop a company flooding the database
with false declarations to "fog" the issue.
Sanchez - some patents are declared and can be on the lost but never make it through patent agency.
Kar - engineering approach is simply, you look to see if you can make an implementation with out
using the IPRs then you only pay for the licenses you need.
Hengevoss - some large portfolio holders make you buy a whole package when you only want one or
two.

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KHR - so we seem to have a _n_.e_.._w.. i_s..s,u_...e...,.."_f!oQ.,..d.j,,n~ the database with false declarations" = Tim Frain as
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3.4

.... How to handle FRAND Information l(Fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory) (Tom
Sanchez & Willy Verbestel)

Tom Sanchez [GA!fPR02(03)05]
Lafuente - need to have a checking mechanism to see that people are respecting the policy.
1. It is proposed to establish a mechanism to determinate, under the request of an ETSI member or a
Technical Body or the GA, if terms and conditions for licenses under an essential or potentially essentia!
IPR tMfill the ETS] IPR Policy from the perspective of ETSI.
Option 1: The t.:.TSI Director-General shall be aware of the terms and conditions of essential or
potentially essential IPR related to an ETSI STANDARD or TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION. The
ETSI Director-General, appropriately assessed, should, according to the best possible criteria,
determinate if proposed tem:s and conditions are fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory.
Option 2: the creation of an "ETSI Consultative ]PR Committec" as proposed in document
IPR02(03)06.doc (Dispute Resolution issue#07). This group can provide the GA with its best
understanding about if proposed temps and conditions are t:IL,XND.
2.

It is proposed to claril)’ in the "ETSI IPR Policy Guidelines" that terms and conditions for licenses
ander an .ESSENTIAL IPR should include details of the applicable patents. Applicable patents means
both granted patents and public patents applications. There are some expeliences of receiving a license
contract for signing without any reference to the applicable patents.

3.

We believe that the terms and conditions for licenses should be delivered to Eq"SI for evaluation
(according to Options 1 or 2 above) before the tPR owner will make, as described in Article 6.1 of the
Policy, the general undertaking in writing stating that it is prepared to grand licenses on fair, reasonable
and non-discriminatory terms and conditions.

As this general undertaking musL be given within diree months liom request, it is proposed to deliver ETSI
for evaluation (according to options 1 or 2 above) the terms and conditions of a claimed essential or potential
essential IPR within a maxhnmn time frame of two months fi’om request. In this case there will be a period of
one month for ETSt to evaluate if proposed terms and conditions fulfils the ETS] IPR Policy.
KHR - as an Institute we have always tried to avoid being in the middle of a conflict between members,=
Adams - ???? (sorry missed it)
Sanchez - history of UMTS decisions where it was said that the licensing costs would be as low as
GSM but now it is looking like it will be more expensive. Some governments are starting to set limits
on royalty levels.
Pocknell - no mechanism to ensure licensing obligations, cannot move forward unless we have some
system or knowledge.
KH.R~’_~...~t)~ecs.t~o_d..that if, E.RAND wa.~...q~s!iQr~..~l.I.he, L? ..t.he..[SaLLe~,wil| b.e decided in a court, not
in ETffI:-This was the principle agreed when the present policy was Written,
Kal!ay o

A suggestion that "grantback" clauses be considered as p~rirrta Iacie.unreasonable.or.unfair., A
~_.t?,5d~.is an arrangement ui3.der which a licensee agrees t6extead tO the licensor of
irft~i[:e~IiJdl property the right to use the iicensee’s improvements to the licensed technology.
Grantb.a¢ks .are different from a cross-license because they are,forward-looking, awarding the
licensor right to future ideas that have not been thought-of yet.

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Grantbacks are arguable unfair because they extort an unreasonable price from licensees,
who, in order to be able to obtain a license that will allow them to use the standard and survive
in the market, must give away all their future innovation. More generally, it is commonly said
that grantbacks may adversely affect competition where they substantially reduce the
licensee’s incentives to engage in research and development and thereby limit rivalry in
innovation markets.
Another issue for discussion is the suggestion that a certain excessive ratio between the
upfront royalty fee and the per-unit royalty fee may be considered unfair. In other words,
where the flat upfront royalty fee is more than x times the per unit fee, that could be viewed as
prima facie "unreasonable".
Hengevoss - upfront payment is discriminatory and should not exist. P~ssible definitions are:
~e~,L~# t]o_a.,s~ar.~izati_on pro_cess like T.ET.RA, _EirsI r.e_c.o..gDi_ze.s..!.b_at.tbe c.~dtribuZl~r3.....-:
~t’i~e"essential IPR holders already take adva,]tage due to,he_, fact that they define the
%"]S’~f[ca}ion (I) (ihe stai~dard ), the termsF R and ND must be interpreted as follows "
Fair " The im, estment of the holders.( time dedicated to produce the specifioa~ion ) must be
"~v]~--Tcled among the overall nla.i-t~et valiJ¢, it shSuict be the cost of the royaltytS"be paid.
Reasonable ’ this must be interpreted as the profit over the cost above defined.
Note " the royalty to be paid must be equal [o everybody. It means that il’s not pos.sfbte to
:- c!aim up[ront payments, as it is discrirn.inatory to companies with low volume of sales
- claim fixed amounts per unit sold, as most of Tetra holders require for theit~’frastructure.
In other words, the royalties must be proportional to each company market share.
Sanchez - welcomes input on definitions and will try to put it together: "
Adams - looking back to selection of UMTS CDMA, at Paris meeting the FDD and TDD camps got
together and agreed to work together and find a solution.
tile

Seedle - would be nice to know what is happening in the market p..ace .a,n...d~.!tat the real charges, are~.~
’Only information se~ms tO b-e f¢6rfi coQrt repo~ts in the-LIS. This is because wi~hin Europe all ;
~:’~llS’~d~i6hs .s.eem,to include a NDA-so.notinformatibn leak.s out. "
Sanchez - is it possible to have UMTS IPR fees which are three times more than was the case for
GSM. How much bigger is unacceptable.
. ,.H_epg.e~,oss : ca.n we find consensu_s on FRAND ? Nothing to do with past GSM fees. Could set an
’.dp~erlimit"p~f:bentagr~ royalty. More difficult is to d-efine as re~&-6nabl-e profit -if not ttien we leave it to~
courts to judge on something they know nothing about) from thetecflnoJcommercialview). ~!
KHR - problem is that it is always a case-by-case discussion. However, can point to cases where
everyone was happy (e.g. GSM) ~s best practice. Could also indicate suggested max cumulative rate
according to best practice.
Hengevoss - if we can agree some limits then industry will save a lot of money in legal/court fees.
Buttrick - happy to see new ideas but thinks its unlikely that this can be achieved.

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re. Section 5) - Is it possible to research documents well enou,qh to determine pa,st.g~reements that
form a guideline as to what is "fair and reasonable."
Sanchez - figures for UMTS are going to be too high compared with the GSM agreements, is that fair?
Pocknell - it’s never single IPRs its usually a bundle or package of rights - supports guidelines.
Examples: ,.G....S,_[~!.,_I~f!.~.E.~ ?
Seedle - nobody here is willing to say what their IPR fees are ?
Sanchez - people would have to go back to their senior management and ask for advice/permission .....
Ibbotson - differences of approach between the manufacturers versus the large IPR portfolio only
companies.
Butt~.r~v~¢r,k far the whole system to work, so what has changed if U,M.T_S fees are t
tl~at "~tt~’f119her ? SaTidhez - in the early GSM days.the It~R h.o!d,.ers ’~here fnanufact~e-rs With an
interest in the system going forward so they had to set the levels at a reasonable level, ToS=ay lhe
sitd~tibh is no[ thesame.

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Ibbotson - what about the high license fees charged by some governments when looking at the royalty
fees.
re. Section 5) - Is there conduct that can be .~greed upon to be clearly a violation of "nondiscriminatory" requirement?
Seedle - ??? (sorry missed-it).
re. Section 5) - Non-discriminatory: geographically

s.ilence....!!..[
3.5

Geographical scope of Licensing (Richard Buttrick)

Richard Buttrick [GAtiPR02(03)03]. A sensitive issue so was not included in the Policy.
Four proposals under section 6).
Bullet 1) - Requestin.q that holders of essential patents indicate to which patents an undertaking
definitively relates - this would clarify, if not necessaril i2_L~_prove the situation
Ibbotson - what if the TB says standard is not for worldwide use. Not aware of any problems due to
refusal of IPR in a country. Marketplace tends to decide the geography.
Seedle - big chance that the DIIS work will fail due to Geographical licensing issues. The
manufacturers say that for this issue only a global market will be big enough to make it worthwhile so
they will abandon if licensing is only possible in Europe (and blocked in the US by an IPR holder).
Adams - even for GSMIUMTS we still have to have TC MSG to cover the EU regulatory issues.
Bullet 2) - _A pglicy statement from ETSI encouraqin9, members to ~qive licensinq undertakin~ on a
world wide basis - this would be a non-bindinq statement expressing the expectations of ETSI
= suoported by al!,
Bullet 3) - The identification of ETSI work items on a case-by-case basis as beinc] for .qlobal
application, and creation of an adoption procedure by, which ETSI members would accept for that
standard that undertakinq from Essential IPR holders would have to be to grant licences on world-wide
basis - cf comments from Microsoft
= seems acceptable.

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Bullet 4) - A modification tothe IPR Policy requirin.q all undertakinqs to be world-wide - Clearly this is
out of scope of the present ad hoc IPR Group

Seedle - re. Annex 2 - global licensing opens the return on investments and widens income from
license fees. = all to provide comments.
3.6

Normative referencing (Kurt Wimmer)

Kurt Wimmer [GA!IPR02(03)I 2 rev.l].
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Clearly we have to have norm ative references:
NRs to ether SDOs seems not to be a problem.
NR to a documents held,by a nomSDO. OK if ETSI obtains it or haS some guarantees of
availability.
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alSplication of sam e priiadiples when im petting work from Other groups (DVB, etc)..... ...... . -

Phillips - all seems to be under the control of the TBs so could be included in the Chairmen’s guide.
KHR-add check list.
Pritchard - thinks that checking of NRs is a part of the SMS EDS process before letting documents
pass through the to enquiry/Vote/publication etc. (action to check):
Kar - two separate issue: 1) References themselves, 2) IPRS which may be im plied in the referenced
document;
Ibbotson - should-only accept external references-when ETSI has an undertaking thal the IPR rssues
are covered.
Lafuente - ...and also any test suites attached to external references.
3.7

Dispute resolution (Azucena Hern&ndez)

Azucena Hern~ndez [GA/IPR02(03)06]:
Buttrick - what "~S role of this Consultative Committee. Hernandez - a new body (Consultative
Committee)to be set-up by the GA as a permanent entity, to solve IPR pr4~blems without going to court
(expensive).
Phillips - problem is that IPR holders are unlikely to tell such a group what the licensing conditions are.
Hern~ndez - can at least bring the two sides together and try to help resolve issues which are causing
the difficulty, voluntary approach from both sides, in confidence. Concept is to. offer a voluntary
solution within the existing policy.
Lafuente - some issues can be resolved with such a committee, not all, but may help to prevent issues
being brought to the GA.
Kar- Consultative Comm ittee may need to be run/include external legal consultants.
Frain - two issues, how to force 2nd party to engagement in process with committee; timely disclosure
issues. Hern~ndez - its voluntary, if one party refuses to work with the committee then it has to go via
another route, e.g. GA or court.
Hern~ndez - only binding issue is the existing policy and GA decisions
Adams - no conflict in members going to court to resolve IPR issues, does not conflict with
membership of ETSI, wonders when Members would use such a Consultative Committee. concerns

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about the cost of running/supporting such a Consultative Committee and the risk of ETSI being sued if
the Consultative Committee gives wrong advice.
Wimmer - surprising that such a committee doesn’t exist already (e.x. in DVB, as voluntary group with
open attendence).
KHR - we had an IPR committee in the past which created the present policy but this was a painful
process and nobody wanted to open the IPR issue since. This ad hoc group is the fir!! check of the
policy systems since then.
Buttrick - conflict in make-up of the committee between open group for discussion of broad issues and
confidential issue resolution between members.
Hern&ndez - think its better to have a single place rather than two, maybe have small confidential
group as basis with options to call open meetings to discuss broader issues, when necessary.
KHR - responsibilities - overlap with THIS ad hoc group, so maybe should not be included here.
Hern~ndez, the idea is to create the Consultative Committee as a follow-on group after this one is
finished.
KHR - should try to solve all the know problems in THIS group. Should restrict the Consultative
Committee to dispute resolution.
Reinhardt -if there is a dispute they can go to the arbitration panel of ICC (International Chamber of
Commerce). This Protects ETSI from making wrong decisions on its own policy.
Surf- probably won’t work anyway as holder will not disclose levels of fees, etc. stick with ICC.
Phillips - better if the dispute resolution is perform outside of ETSI, better to put in place an access
system to an external arbitration service like the ICC.
Ibbotson - inconceivable under Compet!tion law that members of ETSI could be involved in solving
disputes within their own areas, better to direct people to external & independent arbitration services.
KHR - seems to be a choice now between abandoning idea in favour of an external body or to continue
with the Consultative Committee idea - but with a rethink maybe ?.
Hern&ndez - as ETSI members have not made use of external bodies up to know (whynot) then there
must be a reason, should try to use the Consultative Committee route as an option, does not prevent
members going to external arbitration.
KHR - during 3GSM conference, hear that in addition to ICC, there is a 3G3P group (Brian Kearsey) see doc.12- to do a similar issues and have just received negative clearance from the EC - could be
another solution.
Sanchez - probably less than 15 people in the world who know how this system and conditions fees are
agreed and would need these people be on the Consultative Committee and they probably won’t be
willing to sit on it, external arbitration can be very expensive (lack of trust also), also in the interest of
the industry to find solutions to IPR issues without going to court, members will probably accept some
sort of ad hoc consultative committee to held resolve issues.
Wimmer - can group be accepted with a reduced scope and not a to handle broader issues.
Hern&ndez - yes, this would be better than no group.
Seedle - the people who would benefit from such a Consultative Committee are not present in this
group (new entrants & licensees - SMEs). Options of small companies taking the big players to court
is too expensive. Also, just providing info/advice could be useful and help resolve issues New
entrants do not understand the secrecy involved and the needs for NDAs, such a group would provide
a great service to SMEs and small members, in fact the number of disputes is very small so group
should not be overloaded. Keep the proposal and develop the idea further.

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Adams - question of liability of decisions from such a Consultative Committee ? Who will pay for the
"independent" advisors on such a CC.
Surf - submitting to binding arbitration with ICC is unacceptable but some advisory tools could De used,
3G3P is not taking-of and many major IPR holders have not signed-up, IPR agreements are very
complex so each agreement is different so not so much secret as impossible to make comparisons.
KHR - many wishes and concerns, seems to be of interest to SMEs , need to complies with
_Comj~#til;LoD_!’_aW._= could be a. _s#r~!Lce :t_o._._assist It}embers avo[d.~g.o_in_&g to _c.gurL_nlan~t~_)~m6qtat_i_o_Q
problems. Consider all this and refocus proposal on dispute resolution.
Hernandez - wilt try again as long as its clear that other members will not block the idea at tne next
stage. KHR - OK. lets see durinq coffee breaks and Board meetinq if it will allowed to fly=.
3.8

Non-disclosure agreements (Alberto Perez Lafuente)

Alberto Perez Lafuente [GAIIPR02(03)!!r1] - wants clarification that NDAs should be according ’to
French law.
Section 6.1 )
Hern~ndez - FRAND can only apply when you can compare it with something else, "also aware that
much info is confidential, need to find some approach to solve the issues. NDAs should not be a part
of the IPR Policy, as a first approach we should state that NDAs cannot be imposed = only on voluntary
agreemem.
KHR - agrees that it seems to De wrong if you have to sign an NDA prior to starting discussions of IPR
term s.
Frain - a usual clause is a "most favoured nation" which guarantees that a licensee will get at least the
best terms available to other licensees.
Surf - licensees also sometimes request ND,4~’7~o protect their product/implementation information.
Can be many reasons for NDAs. "most favoured nation" refers to comparable terms but no definition
of corn parable.
Seedle - how can you sign something which says trust me when you don’t know the terms ?
KHR - need to accept that some confidentiality is necessary on both sides. Seems that NDAs have
become common practice, seems that
Phil ips - seems that NDAs are sometimes needed so cannoI forbid them. Need to document best
practice, could say that the use of an NDA in some circumstances is not appropriate (e,,q, miss-use tn
prevent challen, eges to FRAND conditions).
Ibbotson - not possible to forbid NDAs and force negotiations into public domain. Remember that all
Member companies are bound by FRAND obligation under the ETSl IPR Policy, is someone ~)roposing
that all ETSI members IPR holders are "of dubious integrity".
KHR - remember we are discussion a very small number of problem issues per year.
Lafuente - you sign a NDA and then you find that the licensing fee kills you and so you are lost and you
cannot say anything. If you don’t sign you cannot discuss terms and you are delayed and miss the
market. The small companies loose both ways.
Buttrick - global practice is that IPR licensing terms and negotiations are confidential regardless of an
NDA or not - may be a false discuSsion - don’t see any viable solution to this issue.
Hernandez - not happy with this, need to make some positive movement to help the members with
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framework used, NDA is a red-herring and is not the real issue. FRAND terms, do they exist or not, is
the real issue. Not inflexible, just noting that oit wil never work.
Lafuente - minimum is to ask for Members compliance with the IPR Policy and to be able to check that
is it fulfilled.
Sanchez - disagrees that all agreements are secrets - some licensors do have open information and
approach FRAND.by licensing with the same conditions across the Board. Disagrees with Buttrick ....
but will depend on parties concerned tn any particular issue.
Buttrick - different issue, that is FRAND terms and nothing to do with NDAs.
KHR - problem is how to safeguard against miss-use of NDAs rather than NDAs themselveS.
Frain - not just an SME / licensor problem. Some companies have published guidelines on terms.
Kar - possible way forward is to recognise need for confidentiality, can have NDAs, but include a copy
of the licence contracts being lodged with the D-G for eventual reference in case of dispute.
Lafuente - believes we need some mechanism.
KHR - Lafuente.- Phillips, Buttrick to try drafting a new proposal taking best practice into consideration.
Note that this is not a part of.the Policy.
Section 6.2)
Hern&ndez - need to remove the word "never",in the Chairman’s guide.
Phillips - as this is a guide to TBs, "never" is the correct word for the rule inside the TB work process.
.The problem is that this text is being used outside of the TB process.

K-,4J_B_::.. d_ ._e_’_a...L ~j_L.b.~_h&n_g e_s _~ o .g_.u__!d_.e_s..Ji..a!...e r.
Section 6.3)
Lafunete - NDAs shall be under French Law unless both parties agree.
Tronchon - does no[ agree, French law only applies under dispute covered by the ETSI RoPs, article
18. Issues related to the IPR policy outside of the ETSI rules is up to the choice of the parties
concerns.
Hernandez - RoP, article 18 refers to anything in dispute under ETSI, so also applies [o disputes under
IPR Policy. Issues outside can use whatever law they like .... but problems related to NDAs may
eventually become a problem so should be unde{ French law.
Lafuente - believes there is a clear link between implementation of policy and artcile 18, so French law
should apply.
Ibbotson - what about a German company negotiating with a Swiss companies, actions n court are
usually taken oin the country of the holder or the licensee.
Buttrick - was originally rejected (in 1994) as it gives preference to French companies.
Hern~ndez - article 18 must a pply to issues under an NDA relating to ETSI IPR policy but other law can
be used for non-policy related issue.
KHR - let’s see what comes out of the re-work under 6.1 and look at this point a qain later
3.9

Members’ compliance with the undertaking (Michael Breidthardt)

Michael Breidthardt [GA/IPR02(03)04].

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1. a member does not respond at all or not in the 3 months time frame to the request from ETSI
to give an undertaking in writing that it is prepared to grant irrevocable licences on fair,
reasonable and non-discriminatory terms and conditions as defined ir Clause 6.1 of Annex H;
2. like 1, but the IPR owner is a non-member.
3. a member, who has grven the requested undertaking to grant licences on FRAND conditions
does (a) not respond or (b) unduly delays such a response to a request for a license by a
potential implementer;
4. like 3, but the IPR owner is a non-member, who has.given the requested undertaking
5. like 1 and 2, with the additional condition that the IPR holder itself informs ETSI that he owns
potentially essential IPRs for a standard,
Regarding the standard itself:
a) Standard has already been published: the ETSi IPR policy does not Contain rules for such a
case, but the procedures laid out in Clause 8.1 and/or 8.2 could be followed in order to solve
the problem, f no viable alternative solution is available the standard should be withdrawn
following the normal processes defined for specific document types .in the ETSl Technical
Working Procedures.
b) Standard has not yet been published: Clause 8.1 contains the rules to be followed.
Proposal 1:
As case la) is not yet sufficiently defined, it is suggested to add some guidelines to the Chairman’s
Guide on IPR (see also proposal.2).
Ibbotson - once a standard is published does the TB stiff exist, it change to a standard a hg~er level
decision that a TB chairman. Pritchard - change to a deliverable requ res same process as original
approval.
KHR - so what happens if there is no response’fr0m a member after a request for license underatk ng
the three months period ?
Lafuente - no response may be considered as a breach of the Policy.
KHR - could also say that no response = licensing will be for free.
Adams - situation is when an IPR is identified but the owner has not responded to a D-G request for
declaration. A court would not respect such a decision even if taken by the GA. Also, the iPR might
not be essential so there would be no problem. KHR - we are assuming thte case where it is assumed
that the IPR is essential.
Herriandez - already have example of a member asking for licensing fees prior to making the
declaration. This caused delays in the TB work. Agrees that legally cannot do much but equally
cannot do nothing. Should at least bring to GA and request the GA to request the reply, if still no
response then reason for sanctions against members concerned (expulsion !). No reply is unfair - if its
not an essential IPR then at least that reply should be provided.
Breidthardt - sanction of expulsion is possible by the GA.
KHR - Breidthardt to take comments into consideration.

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P roposal 2:
In addition to the above mentioned steps the Chairman’s Guide on IPR should contain some
guidelines:
a) Standard has not yet been published: if the Technical Body concerned believes that no viable
alternative solution exists, work on the standards shouldcease until a solution for the nonavailability o:[ the licenses has been found.
a) Standard has already been published: if the process described in clause 8.2. of the IPR rules
does not solve the issue of non-availability of licenses the process to withdraw the standard
according to the ETSl Directives should ,be started.

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KHR - all to provide comments
Proposal 3:
A reasonable time imit for responses should be added in a) the IPR Licensing Declaration Form,
and/or b)the guidance document envisioned under Issue #04 ("FRAND").

I

Lafuente - linked to FRAND discussions, earlier in the meeting.
KHR - idea could be to’establish some best practice rules. (acceptable time limits, etc).
Phillips - yes, need to provide some sort of guidance - some sort of best practice timeout after which
the issue get raised to the GA.
Ibbotson - licence terms can be difficult and 3 months might be too short in some case for the IPR
holder to estimate the value of a new technology IPR.
KHR - complaint to GA not applicable for non-members. All to provide comments
Proposal 4:
The letter from the ETSI secretariat requesting the undertaking according to clause 6.1 should contain
some sentences, which clearly state that a non-response under this condition would be considered as
a withdrawal of the previous IPR declaration.
Breidthardt - need to have some proof in the case of a court actions downstream.
Hengevoss - is this a real case ? KHR - problem is when indication of IPR is present but agreement
to use FRAND is not confirmed
KHR - All to provide comments
3.10

ETSI Secretariat assistance in IPR matters (Hans van der Veer)

Hans van der Veer [GAilPR02(03)13].
Hernandez - Secretariat is doing a. great job. Specific requests may need addit onal resources from
outside.
KHR - All to provide comments
3.11

Others (Stephane Tronchon)

Stephane Tronchon [GA/IPR02(03)09].
Issue 11-1
Hernandez - would it be a good idea to resubmitted the IPR Policy to the commission for clearance?
KHR - worth considering but would like to complete the work of this group first and then do it.
Hernandez - yes. at the end of this process - recommend the GA to pass it all to the EC for clearance.
Phill ps - don’t agree to be proactive in this case. Telling them what we are doing is fine, but not to ask
them to approve it. Absence of an EC comfort letter does not say that we are not in compliance with
Corn petition law.
KHR - OK, lets come back to this idea at the end of theprecess. In any case, we report our findings to
the EC.
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Issue 11-4= ~
Issue 11-5= one,
Issue 11-6= ~. Adams - re. 3GPP see notes of previous meeting, don’t want this input to get
lost.
Issue 11-10= ~.
Lafuente - additional text for clarification. Comments to Tronchon.
Other issues closed or transferred.
3.12

"out-of-scope" (Stephane Tronchon)

_Stephane Tronchon [G~qPR02(03)!0].
Sanchez - r.e. 12.3 - don’t think quantification is out of sco pe but for clarification....~!’lqve_.to__.F_RAN_.._D_:
Hern&ndez - need some way to make any valid information related to IR issues available to the
membership. Not a Secretariat measure but foi" action by members themselves. Maybe a special
area on the web-site - Ad~_~t#. t..he..._co_!Lec=ti_on
Comments to Tronchon to add to the co,]ectJon

4

Progress report to GA#41

_

KHR - proposed to present the the working methods from meeting #01, the issues & ssue managers
agreed so far," and in tention to provide findings for November GA. = agreed.

5

Next steps

Meeting_ #03 - 19-20 ma’zi2003 b.~a.d_Z-t. 1L1;0_0.~

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Annex A: ¯List of participants
Chairman
ROSENBROCK Karl Heinz

ETSI Secretariat

FR

Secretary
PRITCHARD Julian

ETSI Secretariat

FR

ADAMS Peter M
BAWA Karima
BREIDTHARDT Michael
BUTTRICK Richard
DRAIBYE Sandra
FRAIN Tim
GODBY Georgina
H ENGEVOI!, KarI-Heinrich
HERN,~,NDEZ Azucena
HICKS Simon
HORSNELL Verina
IBBOTSON Harry
KALLAY Dina
KAR Radivoj
LOVE Philippa
NAM Tae
OBERMULLER Bernhard
PARK Sang-Whan
PEREZ LAFUENTE Alberto
PHILLIPS John
POCKNELL Robert
SANCHEZ Tom
SEEDLE Brian
SUFF Jeffrey
TRONCHON Stephane
VAN BREDA Marc
VE RBESTEL Willy
VON GREYERZ Walo
WlMMER Kurt
VAN DER VEER Hans

BT Group PIc
RIM
IBM EUROPE
PHILIPS Consumer Electronics
RIM
NOKIA Corporation
UbiNetics Ltd
ROHDE & SCHWARZ
TELEFONICA de Espafia S.A.
DTI
Sun Microsystems Ltd
MOTOROLA Ltd
Microelectronica Espanola SA
MITSUBISHI Electric Telecom
VODAFONE Group PIc
SAMSUNG Electronics
SIEMENS AG
SAMSUNG Electronics
Microelectronica Es panola SA
NORTEL NETWORKS (EUROPE)
Sendo International Ltd
RIM
FYLDE MICROSYSTEMS LTD
Panasonic (MMCDE)
ETSI Secretariat
KPN N.V.
RIM
ERICSSON L.M.
MICROSOFT EUROPE SARL
Lucent Technologies B.V.

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By Webcast/Audiconference:
BARTLETT David
KING Joseph
LIOTT Caroline
LUDWIG Harald
MCCARTHY Catherine
TEUFEL Fritz
URIE Alistair

Cambridge Positioning Sytems
INTERDIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS
Agere Systems Deutschland GmbH
FEEl
Sun Microsystems Ltd
IBM EUROPE
ALCATEL S.A.

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N° of Attendees: (additional Secretariat staff attended for the appropriate agenda items): 39

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