O'Bannon, Jr. v. National Collegiate Athletic Association et al

Filing 237

Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Defendant NCAA's Deposition Designations filed by National Collegiate Athletic Association. (Attachments: #1 Declaration of Jeslyn A. Miller, #2 Proposed Order, #3 NCAA's Deposition Designations, #4 Exhibit A, #5 Exhibit B, #6 Exhibit C, #7 Exhibit D, #8 Exhibit E, #9 Exhibit F, #10 Exhibit G, #11 Exhibit H, #12 Exhibit I, #13 Exhibit J, #14 Exhibit K, #15 Exhibit L, #16 Exhibit M, #17 Exhibit N, #18 Exhibit O, #19 Exhibit P, #20 Exhibit Q, #21 Exhibit R, #22 Exhibit S, #23 Exhibit T, #24 Exhibit U, #25 Exhibit V - REDACTED, #26 Exhibit V - SEALED, #27 Exhibit W, #28 Exhibit X, #29 Exhibit Y, #30 Exhibit Z, #31 Exhibit AA, #32 Exhibit BB)(Miller, Jeslyn) (Filed on 6/23/2014) Modified on 6/24/2014 (kcS, COURT STAFF).

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·1· · · · · · · ·UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
·2· · · · · · ·NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
·3· · · · · · · · · · ·OAKLAND DIVISION
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·In re NCAA Student-Athlete
·Name and Likeness· · · · · ·Case No. 09-cv-1967-CW
·Licensing Litigation
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12· · · · · · · · · · · Deposition of
13· · · · · · · · · · JOHN PAUL VACCARO
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15· · · · · · · · Tuesday, December 4, 2012
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18· · · · · · · · · ·HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL
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Blue = NCAA Affirm Desigs.
Orange = Pls' Counter Desigs.
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24· REPORTED BY:· JOHN WISSENBACH, RDR, CRR, CBC, CCP,
25· · · · · · · · CLR, CSR 6862

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·1· ABCD summer camp?
·2· · · ·A.· No, sir.

09:44:12

·3· · · ·Q.· What year did you start the ABCD summer

09:44:13

·4· camp?

09:44:15

·5· · · ·A.· I believe in 1984.

09:44:16

·6· · · ·Q.· And the purpose of the ABCD summer camp was

09:44:18

·7· to, again, gather the most talented high school

09:44:21

·8· basketball players for a academic and basketball

09:44:25

·9· camp where they could display their skills?

09:44:28

10· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· No, hold on.· I object to

09:44:30

11· the question.· Compound.· An academic and -- what

09:44:32

12· did you say?

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09:44:10

09:44:34

13· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· Basketball.
14· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Compound.· I instruct him
15· not to answer.· Break it down.

09:44:39

16· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:
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09:44:37

09:44:42

17· · · ·Q.· And -- I'm just -- and the ABCD Camp was

09:44:42

18· intended to round up the -- the most talented high

09:44:48

19· school players in basketball?

09:44:52

20· · · ·A.· The ABC was and is intended to get the best

09:44:54

21· athletes, basketball players.

09:44:59

22· · · ·Q.· And it was intended to get them some

09:45:01

23· exposure to college coaches and to agents?

09:45:03

24· · · ·A.· Intending to allow the -- America to see

09:45:10

25· who the best players were and to get exposure to get

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09:45:17

·2· · · ·Q.· Okay.· And did those -- did the

09:45:19

·3· participants in the ABCD Camp -- were they paid for

09:45:22

·4· their participation?

09:45:25

·5· · · ·A.· No one was paid, other than the people who

09:45:27

·6· worked.· They weren't employees.· They were guests.

09:45:30

·7· No.

09:45:34

·8· · · ·Q.· Okay.· Did ABCD Camp participants typically

09:45:34

·9· pay to attend?

09:45:37

10· · · ·A.· Pay what, sir?· Pay a fee to attend the

09:45:39

11· camp?

09:45:42

12· · · ·Q.· Yes.

09:45:43

13· · · ·A.· No -- no child ever paid to attend ABCD

09:45:43

14· Camp.
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·1· a college scholarship.

09:45:46

15· · · ·Q.· Okay.· And how long did ABCD Camp last?

09:45:47

16· · · ·A.· Until 2007.

09:45:52

17· · · ·Q.· Okay.· And it was typically a one-week

09:45:56

18· camp?

09:46:00

19· · · ·A.· Five days.· Five days in July.

09:46:00

20· · · ·Q.· Okay.· Did you ever become aware of any

09:46:06

21· players or coaches being paid to attend the ABCD

09:46:11

22· Camp, not by you, but by others?

09:46:16

23· · · ·A.· Never in my life did I ever, you know, hear

09:46:19

24· of that happening.· You're talking about a high

09:46:24

25· school player attending the camp?

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·1· · · ·Q.· Yes.
·2· · · ·A.· Is that what you're talking about?

09:46:28

·3· · · · · ·No, I never did, sir.

09:46:29

·4· · · ·Q.· Or any payments to a camper's family for

09:46:31

·5· them to attend the camp?

09:46:36

·6· · · ·A.· No, I was never aware of it.· We -- until

09:46:37

·7· the NCAA changed the rules -- and I don't know what

09:46:41

·8· year it was -- they -- we were allowed to pay for

09:46:44

·9· everything, the shoe company.
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09:46:47

10· · · ·Q.· And the ABCD Camp was sponsored by Adidas

09:46:52

11· principally; is that correct?

09:46:58

12· · · ·A.· No, sir.· The ABCD Camp was sponsored

09:46:59

13· principally by Nike, Converse, Adidas, and Reebok.

09:47:03

14· · · ·Q.· Okay.· And who paid to attend the camp?

09:47:11

15· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Objection.· What's the

09:47:19

16· relevance?

09:47:21

17· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· That goes to the commercial

09:47:22

18· nature of the camps.

09:47:23

19· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Are you accomplishing

09:47:25

20· Mr. Vaccaro as a lay expert?

09:47:27

21· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· No.

09:47:28

22· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Then what's the purpose?

09:47:28

23· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· This is -- it's the

09:47:32

24· commercial relevance.

09:47:34

25· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Of -- what has the --

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·1· · · ·Q.· Were there any ticket sales?

09:48:59

·2· · · ·A.· To the games?

09:49:02

·3· · · ·Q.· Yes.

09:49:03

·4· · · ·A.· Yes.

09:49:04

·5· · · ·Q.· And the ticket sales -- how much were the

09:49:05

·6· ticket sales --

09:49:13

·7· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Objection.

09:49:14

·8· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:
·9· · · ·Q.· -- to get into the --

09:49:15

10· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Instruct him not to answer.

09:49:15

11· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· On what ground?

09:49:19

12· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Relevance.

09:49:20

13· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· It goes to the commercial

09:49:21

14· nature of the camp.

09:49:22

15· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· I -- you haven't established

09:49:24

16· the commercial nature of the camp to the litigation.

09:49:25

17· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· Okay.

09:49:29

18· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Are -- are -- are you

09:49:30

19· analogizing the commercial nature of the camp to the

09:49:32

20· commercial nature of NCAA athletics?

09:49:34

21· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:
22· · · ·Q.· Mr. Vaccaro --

09:49:39

23· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Will you stipulate to that?

09:49:39

24· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· No.

09:49:40

25· · · ·Q.· Mr. Vaccaro --

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·1· · · ·Q.· And why?
·2· · · ·A.· Because anybody should get paid for doing

09:57:28

·3· something that they're very good at.

09:57:30

·4· · · ·Q.· And how would you have paid them?

09:57:33

·5· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Objection.

09:57:36

·6· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I don't know.

09:57:44

·7· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

09:57:47

·8· · · ·Q.· Money from the shoe companies, perhaps?

09:57:48

·9· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Objection; speculative.

09:57:50

10· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I don't know.· I just believe

09:57:57

11· they should have.· Someone, for performance, should

09:58:01

12· always be compensated.· I don't know how they figure

09:58:04

13· it out.

09:58:08

14· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:
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09:57:27

09:58:10

15· · · ·Q.· But you never did compensate the ABCD

09:58:10

16· campers?

09:58:13

17· · · ·A.· Never.

09:58:13

18· · · ·Q.· You also ran the Roundball Classic?

09:58:16

19· · · ·A.· Yes, sir.

09:58:22

20· · · ·Q.· And the Roundball Classic was another

09:58:23

21· all-star game that grew out of the Dapper Dan; is

09:58:25

22· that correct?

09:58:31

23· · · ·A.· Well, it was the Dapper Dan Roundball

09:58:31

24· Classic.

09:58:35

25· · · ·Q.· Got it.

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·1· · · ·A.· So the Roundball Classic stayed forever,
·2· but then it became the Magic Johnson Roundball.

09:58:37

·3· Whoever was the person, you know -- but Roundball

09:58:41

·4· Classic is the name of the all-star game.

09:58:47

·5· · · ·Q.· Right.· And that started in 1965 and ran

09:58:49

·6· all the way through what year?

09:58:53

·7· · · ·A.· 2007.

09:58:54

·8· · · ·Q.· Okay.
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·9· · · · · ·(Deposition Exhibit 621 was marked for

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10· identification.)

09:59:24

11· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

09:59:24

12· · · ·Q.· Mr. Vaccaro, I've handed --

09:59:25

13· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Do you have a copy?

09:59:27

14· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· Yeah.

09:59:28

15· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Let the record reflect that

09:59:40

16· we're waiting for a copy.

09:59:42

17· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· If you want to just look on

09:59:46

18· with him, we can start.

09:59:47

19· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· No, I'd like the witness to

09:59:48

20· have his own copy.

09:59:50

21· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

09:59:54

22· · · ·Q.· Mr. Vaccaro, go ahead and take a look at

09:59:54

23· that.· And I'll just ask you a few questions about

09:59:56

24· it.

09:59:58

25· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Thank you.

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·1· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:
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·2· · · ·Q.· Mr. Vaccaro, is this a 2000 program from

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·3· the -- from Sonny Vaccaro's Roundball Classic?

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·4· · · ·A.· Yes.· And I believe all the pages are in

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·5· here.

10:00:16

·6· · · ·Q.· Okay.· And you'll see that there are

10:00:16

·7· numbers at the bottom.· Let me ask you to turn to

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·8· page 616 in this bound format.

10:00:26

·9· · · · · ·And page 616, this is a message from you

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10· with respect to Hoops --

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11· · · ·A.· Oh.

10:00:50

12· · · ·Q.· -- Hoops That --

10:00:51

13· · · ·A.· Yeah.
14· · · ·Q.· -- Help, correct?

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15· · · ·A.· Yes.

10:00:53

16· · · ·Q.· And Hoops That Help is one of the corporate

10:00:53

17· entities that you own, correct?

10:00:56

18· · · ·A.· Yes.

10:00:57

19· · · ·Q.· And what was Hoops That Help's involvement

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20· in the Roundball Classic?

10:01:03

21· · · ·A.· They were the charity that the monies

10:01:05

22· received went to; you know, the charity.

10:01:07

23· · · ·Q.· So Hoops That Help was the corporate entity

10:01:15

24· that -- that ran the Roundball Classic?

10:01:19

25· · · ·A.· Yes.· Well --

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·1· · · ·Q.· And donations with respect to --

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·2· · · ·A.· Well --

10:01:25

·3· · · ·Q.· -- the Roundball --

10:01:26

·4· · · ·A.· They weren't -- they're not the title

10:01:27

·5· sponsor.

10:01:29

·6· · · ·Q.· No.· But --

10:01:30

·7· · · ·A.· Okay.
·8· · · ·Q.· But they were the -- the organizer, and

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·9· they received donations with respect to running the

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10· Roundball Classic?

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11· · · ·A.· Hoops That Help didn't sponsor it

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12· financially.· They -- if there was monies left over

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13· from the ticket sales, or whatever, it went into the

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14· charity.

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15· · · ·Q.· So in the third paragraph here, this says

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16· that the Roundball has been able "to donate more

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17· than 1.5 million dollars to worthy causes."

10:01:55

18· · · ·A.· Uh-huh.

10:01:59

19· · · ·Q.· Is -- was that extra money from ticket

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20· sales?

10:02:02

21· · · ·A.· Well, it had to be from, you know -- that's

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22· the only way you'd have revenue.

10:02:05

23· · · ·Q.· Okay.· And in the first paragraph, you --

10:02:07

24· you list off that Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, and

10:02:11

25· Kevin Garnett all played at the Roundball Classic?

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·1· · · ·A.· Yes.
·2· · · ·Q.· Did you obtain permission from any of them

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·3· in order to use that in connection with this

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·4· brochure?

10:02:28

·5· · · ·A.· No.· I was emphasizing a fact.

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·6· · · ·Q.· So you wouldn't have needed permission for

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·7· that?

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·8· · · ·A.· I have no idea.

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·9· · · ·Q.· Did you have anyone review these -- the

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10· Roundball Classic programs before they were issued,

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11· to make sure that any name, image, or likeness used

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12· in them had been paid for?

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13· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Objection; relevance.

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14· · · · · ·You can answer.

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15· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

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16· · · ·Q.· You can answer if you understand the

10:03:05

17· question.

10:03:06

18· · · ·A.· Okay.· Ask me the question.
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19· · · ·Q.· Did you have anyone review the Roundball

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20· Classic brochures before they were issued to ensure

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21· that you had clearance to use any of the name,

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22· images, or likenesses contained therein?

10:03:16

23· · · ·A.· You're talking about a picture?

10:03:20

24· · · ·Q.· Yes.

10:03:22

25· · · ·A.· In order to use a photo that was taken by

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·1· someone else, you would have had to ask them if you

10:03:32

·2· had permission; I would say that would be -- if

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·3· somebody else owned the photo of a game, prior to

10:03:37

·4· that.

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·5· · · ·Q.· Uh-huh.· How about the person appearing in

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·6· the photo?

10:03:42

·7· · · ·A.· No.

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·8· · · ·Q.· You wouldn't have to pay them?

10:03:43

·9· · · ·A.· I never thought to.

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10· · · ·Q.· Why not?

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11· · · ·A.· Because each and every one of the kids who

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12· played in a Roundball Classic prided that on their

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13· own resume.· And I never did.· So I didn't.

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14· · · ·Q.· I'm sorry.· Did you say -- they were proud

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15· of that on their own resume.· Is that what you said?

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16· · · ·A.· Now -- yes.· Well, they were, obviously.

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17· It's part of their life.

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18· · · ·Q.· And -- and so you thought that -- that they

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19· would be fine with you using their photos to promote

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20· the Roundball Classic?

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21· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Objection; relevance.

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22· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Do I think that the kids

10:04:28

23· whose photos would be used would have an objection

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24· to it?

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25· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

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·1· · · ·Q.· No.· Do you think -·2· · · ·A.· Oh.

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·4· should be paid for the use of their name, image, or

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10:04:43
10:04:45

·7· · · ·A.· Yes.

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·8· · · ·Q.· And did you pay them with respect to that

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·9· use?

10:04:55

10· · · ·A.· No.

10:04:55

11· · · ·Q.· And why not?

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12· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Objection; relevance.
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·3· · · ·Q.· -- that -- do you think that they should --

·6· program?

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·5· likeness in connection with the Roundball Classic

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13· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Never thought of it.

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14· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

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15· · · ·Q.· Will you do so now?

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16· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Objection.· Instruct him not

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17· to answer.· Next question.

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18· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· And you're instructing him

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19· not to answer on what basis?

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20· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· What he may do in the

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21· future, for whatever reasons, don't apply now.· I

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22· don't think you have the even least tangential

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23· connection to the issues in litigation.· And so far

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24· you've spent over half an hour going into background

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25· for which you have refused to establish what the

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·1· relationship, if any, between Tim Stevens and Hoops?
·2· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· Mr. Hausfeld --

10:09:31

·3· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· You'd have to lay a proper

10:09:33

·4· foundation, sir.

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·5· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· I -- we have already laid a

10:09:37

·6· foundation.· He --

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·7· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· No, you laid --

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·8· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· -- already --

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·9· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· You laid --

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10· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· -- identified this as the

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11· Roundball Classic brochure.

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12· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· And that does --

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13· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· This is --

10:09:46

14· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· That does not establish what

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15· a -- what a particular page in the brochure relates

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16· to if it says "By Tim Stevens, Sports Writer for The

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17· News & Observer."

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18· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

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19· · · ·Q.· Mr. Vaccaro, did you compensate these

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20· individuals for the use of these name -- these

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21· names, images, or likenesses on this page 620?

10:10:04

22· · · ·A.· No, I didn't.· I would have.· I don't

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23· believe I did.· I would have.
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24· · · ·Q.· Let me have you turn to page 627.

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25· · · ·A.· And I see it now.· It's down here at the

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·1· bottom.· Okay.· I thought there weren't any.· There
·2· were.

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·3· · · · · ·Andre Barrett?

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·4· · · ·Q.· Yes.· And if you just flip through, you'll

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·5· see that there's a similar profile with respect to

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·6· each --

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·7· · · ·A.· Each and every player.

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·8· · · ·Q.· -- of the campers.

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·9· · · ·A.· Yes.
10· · · ·Q.· Yes.· And did you obtain permission to use
11· these photos or these stats with respect to these

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12· individuals?

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13· · · ·A.· I -- I don't know what -- what that means,

10:11:03

14· but -- did I retain -- no, I would not have asked

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15· them specifically.· They would have wanted their

10:11:10

16· picture in the book.· But that's another story.

10:11:12

17· · · ·Q.· Okay.· And they -- they wouldn't have been

10:11:13

18· compensated for that --

10:11:16

19· · · ·A.· No, sir.

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20· · · ·Q.· -- use?

10:11:17

21· · · · · ·And page 639.

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22· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Got it?

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23· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Got it.

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24· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:
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·1· Alumni."· So these are individuals that previously

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·2· played in the Roundball Classic; is that correct?

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·3· · · · · ·Yes.

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·4· · · ·A.· Yes, they would have been.· I'd

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·5· have been -- proofread.

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·6· · · ·Q.· And why are they being listed on this page?

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·7· · · ·A.· They played in and then they matriculated

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·8· to be a professional athlete.

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·9· · · ·Q.· So this is intended to promote the history

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10· of the Roundball Classic?

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11· · · ·A.· Yes.

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12· · · ·Q.· And do you -- did you obtain the permission

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13· from any of the individuals listed on this page to

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14· use their name in connection with this Roundball

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15· alumni page?

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16· · · ·A.· They were an alumnus of the game.· It makes

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17· a difference.· I mean, I didn't retain their

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18· permission, but they were.· So you could -- they

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19· could have not have reneged.· They actually played.

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20· So how could you not put their name in?

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21· · · ·Q.· You had the right to -- to list them

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22· here --

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23· · · ·A.· I didn't have --

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24· · · ·Q.· -- regardless?
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·1· fact.

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·2· · · ·Q.· So they wouldn't have needed to be

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·3· compensated for this use?

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·4· · · ·A.· They paid for the Atlanta Hawks, and they

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·5· played in a Roundball Classic.· That's a fact.

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·6· · · ·Q.· And so you did not compensate them for

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·7· this?

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·8· · · ·A.· No, I did not compensate them for it.

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·9· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Is this the same relevance

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10· that you think you've established with regard to

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11· your prior questions?

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12· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

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13· · · ·Q.· And Mr. Vaccaro EA --

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14· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Is it?

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15· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

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16· · · ·Q.· -- Sports was one of the -- was one of the

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17· sponsors --

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18· · · · · ·(Discussion off the record.)
19· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· EA Sports was -20· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Object to the relevance.

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21· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:
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22· · · ·Q.· EA Sports was one of the sponsors of the

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23· Roundball Classic; is that correct?

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24· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Object.

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25· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· What?

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·1· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Object to the relevance.
·2· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

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·3· · · ·Q.· You can -- you can go ahead and answer.

10:13:02

·4· · · ·A.· Oh.· Just --

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·5· · · ·Q.· That's just for the record.
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·6· · · ·A.· Yes.· They were.

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·7· · · ·Q.· Okay.· I --

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·8· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Are we -- are we --

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10· · · ·Q.· I will try to go through -11· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· -- going to go through

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12· similar --

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13· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· -- these very quickly.

10:13:11

14· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· All right.· If we're going

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15· to go through similar documents, why don't we just

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16· have a standing objection to the use of the

10:13:17

17· documents and any questioning relating to them,

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18· since they don't relate to the litigation.

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19· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· I -- obviously I don't

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20· agree that they don't relate to the litigation.

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21· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· You don't have to agree.

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22· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· But, yes, you can have a

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23· standing objection.

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24· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Fine.

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25· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· And I will.· I'll try to --

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·1· to go through these quickly.
·2· · · · · ·So let me see.

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·3· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· You don't have to throw the

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·4· document, either.

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·5· · · · · ·MR. BATEMAN:· Oh, I'm sorry.

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·6· · · · · ·(Deposition Exhibit 622 was marked for

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·7· identification.)

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·8· · · · · ·MR. BATEMAN:· Sorry about that.

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·9· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· That's okay.· It's a matter

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10· of courtesy.

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11· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:
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12· · · ·Q.· And Mr. Vaccaro, is this the 2006 brochure

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13· for the Roundball Classic?

10:14:02

14· · · ·A.· Yes, it is.

10:14:05

15· · · ·Q.· Were these sold at the Roundball Classic?

10:14:09

16· · · ·A.· Yes, they were.

10:14:11

17· · · ·Q.· How much were they; do you know?

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18· · · ·A.· $5, I think.

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19· · · ·Q.· And where did the money for these sales go

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20· to?

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21· · · ·A.· To pay the expenses and back into the

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22· charity.· So --

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23· · · ·Q.· It would have been handled by Hoops That

10:14:23

24· Help?

10:14:25

25· · · ·A.· Yeah.

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·1· · · ·Q.· And do you remember who you had prepare

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·2· the -- the brochures?

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·3· · · ·A.· No, but I'm sure it's somewhere.· I mean, I

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·4· have no idea.· But --

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·5· · · ·Q.· Okay.

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·6· · · ·A.· -- they always put their name, who made it.

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·7· · · ·Q.· H -·8· · · ·A.· I -- I didn't do that.
·9· · · ·Q.· HMS Creative, Inc.· Does that sound

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10· familiar?

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11· · · ·A.· They would have laid it out, yes.

10:14:48

12· · · ·Q.· Okay.

10:14:50

13· · · ·A.· They -- yeah.
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14· · · ·Q.· So let me have you -- it is -- I'll have

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15· you turn to page 855.· And I think that this is the

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16· same with respect to each of these that I'll have

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17· marked and have you confirm that these were

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18· brochures.· But it is the case, is it not, that for

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19· each of the Roundball Classics, you published stats

10:15:19

20· and a photo of each of the campers, correct?

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21· · · ·A.· Yes.

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22· · · ·Q.· And -- and you did so without compensating

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23· them for the use of those photos, correct?

10:15:32

24· · · ·A.· Yes.

10:15:34

25· · · ·Q.· And let me have you turn to page 838, which

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·1· is at the beginning, just a couple of pages in.

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·2· You'll see a series of photos.· Those look like

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·3· photos of past camps and -- past Roundballs and ABCD

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·4· Camps, it looks like.

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·5· · · ·A.· Yes.

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·6· · · · · ·No, I think they're all Roundball.· I don't

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·7· think there's ABCD Camp in there.

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·8· · · ·Q.· And did -- did you do anything to obtain

10:16:05

·9· the rights to use these photos?

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10· · · ·A.· No.

10:16:11

11· · · ·Q.· And you did not --

10:16:12

12· · · ·A.· Compensate.

10:16:15

13· · · ·Q.· -- pay the individuals appearing in the

10:16:16

14· photos for their name, image, or likeness, correct?

10:16:17

15· · · ·A.· No, I didn't.

10:16:19

16· · · ·Q.· And is that true with respect to all of the

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17· photos that appear in all of the Roundball Classic

10:16:24

18· brochures?

10:16:26

19· · · ·A.· It would be.

10:16:26

20· · · ·Q.· On page 868, close to the end --

10:16:38

21· · · ·A.· Uh-huh.

10:16:49

22· · · ·Q.· -- this appears to be a statement by you.

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23· It says, "For 42 years, the central focus of my

10:16:52

24· professional life has been dedicated to the

10:16:56

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·1· · · ·A.· Never.· And we never sold too many inside
·2· the arena, either.

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·3· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Why don't we ask one more,

10:27:21

·4· and then we'll take a break.
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·5· · · · · ·(Deposition Exhibit 627 was marked for
·6· identification.)
·7· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Thank you.
·8· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

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·9· · · ·Q.· And about 627 is the 2005 Roundball Classic

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10· program, correct?

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11· · · ·A.· Yes, sir.

10:27:42

12· · · ·Q.· And this would have been sold by Hoops That

10:27:42

13· Help?

10:27:44

14· · · ·A.· Yes, it was.

10:27:45

15· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Same series of objections.

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16· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

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17· · · ·Q.· Again, there are collectible players' cards

10:27:47

18· inside, correct?

10:27:50

19· · · ·A.· Yes, sir.

10:27:51

20· · · · · ·I'm looking for them, and there they are, I

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21· imagine.

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22· · · · · ·(Discussion off the record.)
23· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.· I'm looking for them,

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24· and I imagine -- yes, they are.· They're here.

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25· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

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·1· · · ·Q.· And let me have you turn to page 812.
·2· · · · · ·MR. LEVINE:· Can you refer to the non-Bates

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·3· number, as the Bates number doesn't appear on a

10:28:17

·4· bunch of the copies.

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·5· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· 15.

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·6· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· Yes.

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·7· · · · · ·MR. LEVINE:· Thank you.

10:28:22

·8· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· You're welcome.

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·9· · · · · ·MR. GILCHRIST:· Or both.

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10· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:
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11· · · ·Q.· That's a picture of LeBron James at the

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12· top, correct?

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13· · · ·A.· Yes, sir.

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14· · · ·Q.· And that's from his appearance earlier in

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15· one of the Roundball Classics?

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16· · · ·A.· Yes, sir.

10:28:34

17· · · ·Q.· And do you know -- did you get permission

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18· from LeBron James to use his photo in this brochure?

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19· · · ·A.· No, I didn't.

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20· · · ·Q.· And that -- that's the same sort of answer

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21· as with respect to the rest of the photos as we --

10:28:46

22· · · ·A.· Yes.

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23· · · ·Q.· -- discussed?

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24· · · · · ·And this is a photo from his appearance at

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·1· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Are you -·2· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· -- Mr. Hausfeld.
·3· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Are you attempting to

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·6· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· No.

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·7· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Why isn't it that -- that

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·8· you can't answer something that obviously you're

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·9· trying to get -- elicit from the witness?

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10· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· So -- let's go off the

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11· record for a sec.

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12· · · · · ·(Discussion off the record.)

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13· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· Are we ready?

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14· · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Go ahead.

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15· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

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16· · · ·Q.· Mr. Vaccaro, do you have a position with

10:50:05

17· ABCD Camp, Inc.?· Are you president?

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18· · · ·A.· I -- I must be president.

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19· · · ·Q.· And as president, did you feel you had an

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20· obligation to make sure that these individuals were

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21· compensated for the use of their name, image, or

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22· likeness on the ABCD Camp website?

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23· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Objection; relevance.
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·5· · · · · ·Why don't --

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·4· establish him, as a ABCD principal, as a lay expert?

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24· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Did I have an obligation?

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25· Yeah, kids should always be informed, I imagine, of

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·1· their rights.

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·3· · · ·Q.· So -- but you have not paid any of these

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·4· individuals for the use of their name, image, or

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·5· likeness that appear on the website; is that

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·6· correct?

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·7· · · ·A.· Not to the best of my recollection.

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·8· · · · · ·MR. BATEMAN:· We just lost somebody, I

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·9· think.

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10· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· Did we?

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11· · · · · ·Did we just lose someone on the phone?

10:51:09

12· · · · · ·MS. FREEMAN:· I'm still here, Rachel.

10:51:14

13· · · · · ·MR. REMY:· Yeah.· Donald Remy is still here

10:51:17

14· as well.

10:51:19

15· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· Okay.· Good.

10:51:20

16· · · ·Q.· Mr. Vaccaro, have you acted as -- as an

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17· agent for athletes?

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18· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· What do you mean by "agent"?

10:51:36

19· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

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20· · · ·Q.· Do you know what an agent is?

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21· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· You used the term.

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22· · · · · ·MR. JUCKNIESS:· Mr. Hausfeld.

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23· · · · · ·MR. HAUSFELD:· Can you not define it?

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24· BY MR. JUCKNIESS:

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25· · · ·Q.· Mr. Vaccaro, do you understand the

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·1· · · · · · · · ·CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
·2· · · · · ·I, JOHN WISSENBACH, a Certified Shorthand
·3· Reporter, hereby certify that the witness in the
·4· foregoing deposition was by me duly sworn to tell
·5· the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
·6· truth in the within-entitled cause;
·7· · · · · ·That said deposition was taken down in
·8· shorthand by me, a disinterested person, at the time
·9· and place therein stated, and that the testimony was
10· thereafter reduced to typewriting by computer under
11· my direction and supervision and is a true record of
12· the testimony given by the witness;
13· · · · · ·That before completion of the deposition,
14· review of the transcript [ ] was [X] was not
15· requested.· If requested, any changes made by the
16· deponent (and provided to the reporter) during the
17· period allowed are appended hereto.
18· · · · · ·I further certify that I am not of counsel
19· or attorney for either or any of the parties to the
20· said deposition, nor in any way interested in the
21· event of this cause, and that I am not related to
22· any of the parties thereto.
23· · · · · ·DATED:
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25· · · · · ·JOHN WISSENBACH, CSR No. 6862

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