Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. et al

Filing 991

Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Documents Re Apples Opposition To Samsungs Motion To Exclude Opinions Of Certain Of Apple Experts filed by Apple Inc.. (Attachments: #1 Declaration Of Cyndi Wheeler In Support Of Apples Administrative Motion To File Under Seal Documents Re Apples Opposition to Exclude Apple Experts Opinions, #2 [Proposed] Order Granting Apples Administrative Motion To File Under Seal, #3 Apples Opposition To Samsungs Motion To Exclude Opinions Of Certain Of Apples Experts, #4 Declaration Of Mia Mazza In Support Of Apples Opposition To Samsungs Motion To Exclude Opinions Of Certain Of Apples Experts, #5 Exhibit Mazza Decl. Ex. D, #6 Exhibit Mazza Decl. Ex. F, #7 Exhibit Mazza Decl. Ex. G, #8 Exhibit Mazza Decl. Ex. J, #9 Exhibit Mazza Decl. Ex. K, #10 Exhibit Mazza Decl. Ex. L, #11 Exhibit Mazza Decl. Ex. R, #12 Exhibit Mazza Decl. Ex. S, #13 Exhibit Mazza Decl. Ex. T, #14 Exhibit Mazza Decl. Ex. U, #15 Exhibit Mazza Decl. Ex. V, #16 Exhibit Hauser Decl. Ex. B, #17 Exhibit Hauser Decl. Ex. C, #18 Exhibit Hauser Decl. Ex. D, #19 Exhibit Hauser Decl. Ex. E, #20 Exhibit Musika Decl. Ex. S, #21 Exhibit Musika Decl. Ex. T, #22 Exhibit Musika Decl. Ex. U, #23 [Proposed] Order Denying Samsungs Motion To Exclude Opinions Of Apples Experts)(Jacobs, Michael) (Filed on 5/31/2012) Modified on 6/3/2012 attachment #1 Sealed pursuant to General Order No. 62 (dhm, COURT STAFF).

Exhibit L

In The Matter Of:
APPLE, INC.
v.
SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO
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RAMAMIRTHAM SUKUMAR, Ph.D. ‐ Vol. 1
April 24, 2012

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that or how to answer that.

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said, if the respondents understood that, that's most

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important.

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five minutes to take a break?

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out whether I've got anything else for the doctor, and

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then suggest we do a lunch break.

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VIDEOGRAPHER:

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MR. HEYISON:

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(Break taken.)

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VIDEOGRAPHER:

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The time is 12:19 p.m.

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BY MR. HEYISON:

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describe the context in the form of asking the

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respondent to keep all of the factors constant, and if

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he did include more factors, this would be a much more

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complicated task for someone to do.

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MR. HEYISON:

For me, it's again, as I

MR. ALDEN:

Anthony, could you give me

Yeah.

I just want to figure

You want to do lunch now

while that happens, or do you want -Shall we go off the record?
Yeah.
Let's go off the record.
We're going off the record.

The time is 12:12 p.m.

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We're back on the record.

Doctor, in your conjoint survey why did you

limit your questions to the patented features?
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The reason we limited to it is we clearly

If you put in

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additional features, you're -- it would be just much

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more difficult for someone to complete it.

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factors as a fixed, and as a result, we've defined the

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context for the respondent, asking him to assume

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that -- you know, assume that these are the only three

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products available and these are the only features

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that they are trading off against.

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to the patents at issue, don't you run the risk that

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you're calling attention to only those features and

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signaling to respondents that they should regard these

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features as important?

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at -- takes into account the fact that there are these

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other factors that are not included in the model

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itself, and so there's not an overemphasis from

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that point of view from the estimation of the

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utilities, there's not an overestimation as such.

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That's correct.

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Okay.

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So conjoint allows us to hold different

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And if you only use the features that relate

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Objection.

Incomplete hypothetical.
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Vague and ambiguous.

Calls for speculation.

The mathematical model in the conjoint looks

Okay.

Now, you included iPhone 4S owners in

your survey, correct?

And given the fact that the Court

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recently excluded the iPhone 4S from this case, do you

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believe that your results, your MVAI and usage results

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are still properly used in order to provide usage and

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the market's value of the patented features?

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from this case.

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excluded the iPhone 4S, do you believe that your usage

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results and MVAI results are still properly used to

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provide percentage uses in the market's value of the

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patented features for the iPhone products other than

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the iPhone 4S?

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question because you used use and MVAI and a couple of

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other things in there.

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MR. ALDEN:

Objection.

Vague and ambiguous.

Compound.
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Could you repeat your question because you

had multiple things in there.
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Okay.

I'll break it up, then.

So, Dr.

Do you understand that?

I understand that, but I was not aware of

that.
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Okay.

And now given that the Court has

MR. ALDEN:
Calls for speculation.

Objection.

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Vague and ambiguous.

Compound.

So I'd like for more clarification on the

So if you could --

So --

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there is some skewness in the data.

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demographics properly balanced is -- is, you know,

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it's just an endemic, you know, problem that exists in

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the data, and that's what it's representing.

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MR. WALKER:

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MR. OVERSON:

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off in the middle of a question.

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MR. ALDEN:

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VIDEOGRAPHER:

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Volume 1 and Tape No. 6 in the deposition of

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Dr. Ramamirtham Sukumar.

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The time is 5:44 p.m.

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examination of Ramamirtham Sukumar, Ph.D. concluded at

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5:44 p.m.)

And I have the time's up after this
question.
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Well, it's clearly pointing to the fact that
Not having the

You could control that, couldn't you?

You

didn't have to do the 2010 -- you didn't have to
include 2010 sales in the percentage, did you?
That's okay.
Okay.

We're done.

I object to the cutting

Don't ask the question, then.
Here marks the end of

We're going off the record.

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ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF DEPONENT

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I, Ramamirtham Sukumar, Ph.D., do hereby

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acknowledge that I have read and examined the

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foregoing testimony, and the same is a true, correct

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and complete transcription of the testimony give by

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me, and any corrections appear on the attached Errata

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sheet signed by me.

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Reporter, the officer before whom the foregoing

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proceedings were taken, do hereby certify that the

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foregoing transcript is a true and correct record of

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the proceedings; that said proceedings were taken by

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me stenographically and thereafter reduced to

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typewriting under my supervision; and that I am

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neither counsel for, related to, nor employed by any

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of the parties to this case and have no interest,

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financial or otherwise, in its outcome.

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COURT REPORTER

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CERTIFICATE OF SHORTHAND REPORTER
I, Dawn M. Hart, Registered Professional

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NOTARY PUBLIC

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I, David Lane, Notary Public, the

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officer before whom Ramamirtham Sukumar, Ph.D.

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appeared, do hereby certify that the foregoing

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witness personally appeared before me and was

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duly sworn by me.

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IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto
to set my hand and affixed my notarial seal this
24th day of April, 2012.

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