Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. et al

Filing 1150

MOTION for Extension of Time and to Seal Documents re #1024 Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Documents Re Apples Opposition To Samsungs Motion For Summary Judgment, #1022 Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Documents Re Apples Opposition To Samsungs Motion For Summary Judgment, #1020 Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Documents Under Seal Re Apples Opposition To Samsungs Motion For Summary Judgment, #1023 Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Documents Re Apples Opposition To Samsungs Motion For Summary Judgment, #925 Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Apple's Motion for Summary Judgment of Non-Infringement of U.S. Patent Number 7,362,867 and Invalidity of U.S. Patent Numbers 7,456,893 and 7,577,460, #1013 Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Documents Under Seal Re Apples Opposition To Samsungs Motion For Summary Judgment filed by Samsung Electronics America, Inc.(a New York corporation), Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., Samsung Telecommunications America, LLC(a Delaware limited liability company). Responses due by 7/2/2012. (Attachments: #1 Exhibit 1 to Samsung's Motion, #2 Declaration of Anthony P. Alden in Support of Samsung's Motion, #3 Exhibit 1 to the Alden Declaration, #4 Declaration of Hankil Kang in Support of Samsung's Motion, #5 Exhibit 1 to the Kang Declaration, #6 Exhibit 2 to the Kang Declaration, #7 Exhibit 3 to the Kang Declaration, #8 Exhibit 4 to the Kang Declaration, #9 Exhibit 5 to the Kang Declaration, #10 Exhibit 6 to the Kang Declaration, #11 Exhibit 7 to the Kang Declaration, #12 Exhibit 8 to the Kang Declaration, #13 Exhibit 9 to the Kang Declaration, #14 Exhibit 10 to the Kang Declaration, #15 Exhibit 11 to the Kang Declaration, #16 Exhibit 12 to the Kang Declaration, #17 Exhibit 13 to the Kang Declaration, #18 Exhibit 14 to the Kang Declaration, #19 Exhibit 15 to the Kang Declaration, #20 Exhibit 16 to the Kang Declaration, #21 Exhibit 17 to the Kang Declaration, #22 Exhibit 18 to the Kang Declaration Pt. 1 of 5, #23 Exhibit 18 to the Kang Declaration Pt. 2 of 5, #24 Exhibit 18 to the Kang Declaration Pt. 3 of 5, #25 Exhibit 18 to the Kang Declaration Pt. 4 of 5, #26 Exhibit 18 to the Kang Declaration Pt. 5 of 5, #27 Exhibit 19 to the Kang Declaration, #28 Exhibit 20 to the Kang Declaration, #29 Exhibit 21 to the Kang Declaration, #30 Exhibit 22 to the Kang Declaration, #31 Exhibit 23 to the Kang Declaration, #32 Exhibit 24 to the Kang Declaration, #33 Exhibit 25 to the Kang Declaration, #34 Exhibit 26 to the Kang Declaration, #35 Exhibit 27 to the Kang Declaration, #36 Exhibit 28 to the Kang Declaration, #37 Proposed Order Granting Samsung's Miscellaneous Administrative Request)(Maroulis, Victoria) (Filed on 6/28/2012)

KANG DECLARATION
EXHIBIT 12

Exhibit 36
(Submitted Under Seal)

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· · · ·UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
· ·NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
· · · · · SAN JOSE DIVISION
·Civil Action No.:· 11-CV-01846-LHK

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· APPLE, INC., a California corporation,
· · · · · · · Plaintiff,
· · · · · · · · vs.
· SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD.,
· a Korean business entity, et al.
· · · · · · · Defendants.
· _______________________________________________________
· · · · ·UNITED STATES INTERNATIONAL TRADE COMMISSION
· · · · · · · · · · · ·WASHINGTON, D.C.
· _____________________________________
·In the Matter of:
·CERTAIN ELECTRONIC DIGITAL· · · · · ·Case No.:
·MEDIA DEVICES AND COMPONENTS· · · · ·337-TA-796
·THEREOF
· _____________________________________

17· · *** HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL - PURSUANT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER ***
18· · · · · · · · VIDEOTAPED PERSONAL DEPOSITION OF:
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· February 29, 2012
· · ·Kim & Chang
· Seoul, South Korea
9:04 A.M. - 4:34 P.M.

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· · · · · · · · · · · · ·PROCEEDINGS
· · · · · · (February 29, 2012 at 9:04 a.m.)
· · · · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We are now on the record in
·the matter of Apple, Inc. vs. Samsung Electronics
·Company, Ltd., et al., before the United States District
·Court, Northern District of California, San Jose Division,
·Case No. 11-CV-01846-LHK.
· · · · · · Today's date is 29th February, 2012.· The time
·now is 9:04.· This is the video recorded individual
·deposition of SeogGuen Kim.· The deposition is taking
·place at Kim & Chang, Jeongdong Building, 9th Floor,
·Jung-gu, Seoul, Korea.
· · · · · · I am Wah Kit Ip, deposition video specialist
·with American Realtime Court Reporters Asia.· The court
·reporter is Mike Miller, also with American Realtime Court
·Reporters Asia.
· · · · · · Will all the attorneys please identify
·themselves and the parties they represent.
· · · · · · MR. GRANT KIM:· Grant Kim of Morrison &
·Foerster for the Plaintiff, Apple, Inc.
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Jon Cederberg of Quinn Emanuel
·Urquhart & Sullivan for the Samsung Defendants.
· · · · · · MR. GRANT KIM:· The court reporter has asked me
·to read the following statement:
· · · · · · We understand the court report is not

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· · · Q.· · Is there any reason that it would be difficult
·for you to testify truthfully today?
· · · A.· · No.
· · · Q.· · What is your current position with Samsung
·Electronics?
· · · A.· · I am responsible for mobile design at Mobile
·Communication Business Division at Samsung Electronics.
· · · Q.· · And what is your official title?
· · · A.· · Vice president.
· · · Q.· · Okay.· And how long have you held that
·position?
· · · A.· · I'm entering third year.· I've been doing it
·for two years.
· · · Q.· · Okay.· So you began in January 2010; is that
·right?
· · · A.· · Yes, correct.
· · · Q.· · And what was your position before that?
· · · A.· · We call it principal, but it's actually
·principal manager level.
· · · · · · (A discussion was had off the record between
·Lead Interpreter and Check Interpreter in Korean.)
· · · · · · LEAD INTERPRETER:· "Senior management."
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "We call it principal
·engineer.· It's a level of senior manager."
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:

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·authorized to administer oaths in this venue.
·Nevertheless, we request that he administer the oath and
·we stipulate that we waive any objection to the validity
·of the deposition based on the oaths.
· · · · · · THE REPORTER:· Agreed?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Agreed.
· · · · · · (Interpreters sworn.)
· · · · · · · · · · · · SEOGGUEN KIM,
· · · · having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
· · · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Good morning, Mr. Kim.· My name is Grant Kim,
·and I will be asking you some questions today on behalf of
·Apple.
· · · A.· · Okay.
· · · Q.· · Have you ever had your deposition taken before?
· · · A.· · No.
· · · Q.· · Okay.· Well, I'm sure your attorney's
·explained, but basically I'll be asking some questions and
·you will be responding, and I just want to confirm that
·you understand that you have taken an oath to testify
·truthfully today.
· · · · · · THE REPORTER:· The answer?
· · · A.· · Yes, I know.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:

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· · · Q.· · And how long did you hold that position?
· · · A.· · Sir, are you referring to my position at Mobile
·Communication Business Unit or my position as a senior
·manager?
· · · Q.· · Mobile division, please.
· · · A.· · Two years.
· · · Q.· · So that was from 2007 or 2008?
· · · A.· · Yes.
· · · Q.· · Which year was it, do you recall?
· · · A.· · I don't have a precise recollection.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· When did you join Samsung?
· · · A.· · I joined in 1989.
· · · Q.· · Okay.· And between 19- -- okay.· 1989?· Okay.
· · · · · · (SG Kim Deposition Exhibit 1730 marked.)
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · I'm showing you a document that's been marked
·as Exhibit 1730.· It's an organizational chart dated
·January 2012.· It's very long, but I'm going to focus on
·S-ITC-003006129, which is about five pages in.· And for
·the record, the Bates number of the document, it begins
·with S-ITC-003006124 and continues through 6249.
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· And for the record, I will ask
·if you have an English translation of this document, and
·if not, I would object to the questioning of the document

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·we've gone back on the record, I would like to request
·that this morning's session and this afternoon's session
·be designated highly confidential.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · I'm showing you a document that's previously
·been marked as Exhibit 1661.
· · · · · · MR. GRANT KIM:· That's from the deposition
·yesterday, so we just have our working copy.
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Okay.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · It has Bates numbers SAMNDCA00176172 through
·176202.· Do you recognize Exhibit 1661?
· · · A.· · No, not really.
· · · Q.· · I'd like to ask you to turn to the page ending
·176170 -- I'm sorry, 176178.· It says "Executive Summary"
·at the top, and then there's a reference to "iPhone
·design" and "premium design."· Do you see that?
· · · A.· · Yes.
· · · Q.· · Now, regardless of this document, have you ever
·heard that iPhone design is associated with premium
·design?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous.
· · · A.· · Personally, I believe it's a minimal design.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· And have you heard from anybody that the

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·on the roadmap, is it important for you to understand the
·design strategy of competing companies?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous.
· · · A.· · It is meaningful to identify the trend of
·competitors.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · And why is that?
· · · A.· · I believe it is important to identify and
·recognize the style of product lines of competitors.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· Interjection:· "I think it
·is meaningful to identify and recognize the style of the
·overall products of the competitors."
· · · · · · (SG Kim Deposition Exhibit 1736 marked.)
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
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·iPhone design is associated with premium design?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous.
· · · A.· · I haven't heard it.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · When you say iPhone design is minimal design,
·what do you mean?
· · · · · · MR. GRANT KIM:· Courtesy translation.
· · · A.· · Minimal, the word minimal actually comes from
·the history of art, and the art academia recognize this as
·a new genre, and this is a new -- this is a keyword.
· · · · · · (Interruption by the reporter.)
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· G-E-N-R-E.
· · · A.· · So the genre in fine arts has influenced the
·design, so the minimal refers to a clean and simple image.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· Has Product Design Part 1 ever conducted
·any studies of the design strategy of Apple?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous.
· · · A.· · Also, I am responsible for product design, even
·if I'm the group leader and the Design Part 1 leader, and
·I'm not much involved in strategy.· And as you can see in
·the organization chart, I execute design that is on the
·roadmap.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
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· · · Q.· · Is it correct that -- I'm finished with that
·document.
· · · · · · Is it correct that sometimes in your ordinary
·course of business you obtain -- you receive reports about
·actual iPhone products?
· · · A.· · Yes, I did.
· · · Q.· · Okay.
· · · A.· · At the time.
· · · Q.· · Right.· You got this report that we've just
·been looking at which is Exhibit 1736; is that right?
· · · A.· · Yes.· Yes, as a member of the team.
· · · Q.· · Okay.· I'm going to show you some other
·documents which came from your files, and I'm just going
·to be asking basically if you received them.
· · · · · · (SG Kim Deposition Exhibit 1737 marked.)
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · I'm showing you a document that's been marked
·as Exhibit 1737 with Bates numbers SAMNDCA10805507 through
·10805531, and it says, "iPhone 3GS New/Upgraded Feature
·Review."
· · · · · · MR. GRANT KIM:· I apologize.· I usually have an

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· · · · · · MR. GRANT KIM:· And, I'm sorry.· This is the
·best copy we have.· It came from your files, but it's very
·small and hard to read, and I'd ask counsel to check if
·you have a better copy.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · The first page has the word "Middleless."· Do
·you know the meaning of that word?
· · · A.· · So I saw -- I see this document for the first
·time, I may just have downloaded it.· And it seems this
·paper was prepared by our engineering team, and I don't
·know the meaning of "middleless."
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "I see this document for
·the first time, and if it was from -- if, indeed, was from
·my computer, I might have just downloaded it.· And it
·appears that this document may have been prepared by the
·development side.· And as to the meaning of "middleless,"
·I do not know."
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· Does it appear that if you look at the
·rest of the report, that "middleless" refers to the fact
·that Apple products are so thin, it's almost like there's
·no middle to them?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague, ambiguous, no foundation
·as to personal knowledge, speculation, calls for a
·conclusion.

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· · · A.· · I don't think I'm -- I can answer your
·question.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Yeah.· I've never heard the term "middleless"
·either, so...
· · · · · · In any event, can you turn to page 8, which
·ends with 1806784.· Is this a photo of a teardown analysis
·of the iPhone 4G?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous,
·speculation, no foundation as to personal knowledge.
· · · A.· · Personally, that's what it looks like.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · In the ordinary course of business, do Samsung
·engineers conduct a teardown analysis of competing
·products?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague, ambiguous, speculation,
·foundation.
· · · A.· · To my knowledge, I think the team also conducts
·analysis on competing product, just like our team does.
· · · · · · (SG Kim Deposition Exhibit 1741 marked.)
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
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·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Are you familiar with the Galaxy S
·smartphone -- let me strike that question.
· · · · · · Were you involved in the development of the
·Galaxy S smartphone?
· · · A.· · Yes.· Me and my immediate subordinate was
·involved in the development of the Galaxy smartphone.
· · · Q.· · And when the design of the Galaxy S smartphone
·was created, was that based on the archetype design?

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·2009.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.
· · · A.· · So when it comes to archetype design, I was
·only responsible for exterior design.
· · · Q.· · Okay.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "Exterior product design."
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Can you turn to page 30 which ends with the
·Bates number 10808711, and it says, "Full touch QWERTY,"
·Q-W-E-R-T-Y.· Is it correct that beginning on this page
·for a number of following pages, there are various
·archetype designs for a full -- for a QWERTY phone?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague, ambiguous, speculation,
·foundation.
· · · A.· · This is what we did when we came up with
·archetype designs.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· And at page 47, which ends with 10808728
·it says "Business Smartphones."· Do you see that?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Excuse me.· Misstates the
·document.
· · · · · · MR. GRANT KIM:· Okay.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
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· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague, ambiguous, speculation,
·foundation.
· · · A.· · Yes, it was based on the archetype design.
· · · · · · MR. GRANT KIM:· Okay.· You know, I was planning
·to go longer, but because it's so hot, I'm thinking it
·would be better to take a break.· I'm happy to continue -· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Why don't we take a break.· I
·think more breaks are better with this heat.
· · · · · · MR. GRANT KIM:· I think it's better, because
·it's like a sauna in here.
· · · · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Off the record at 1349.
· · · · · · (Recess taken, 1:49 p.m. to 2:07 p.m.)
· · · · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Back on the record.· It's
·1407.
· · · · · · (SG Kim Deposition Exhibit 1742 marked.)
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Mr. Kim, I'm showing is you a document that's
·been marked as Exhibit 1742.· It says "Business Archetype
·Design 2009," and it has Bates numbers SAMNDCA10808682
·through 758.· This was produced from your files.
· · · · · · Does Exhibit 1742 include a number of different
·Samsung archetype designs for 2009?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague, ambiguous, foundation,
·document speaks for itself.
· · · A.· · It is business archetype design for the year

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·headings like "QWERTY."· I see "Business Smartphones."· On
·page 60 I see "Featured Messaging."
· · · · · · And my just general question is:· Is it correct
·that Exhibit 1742 shows Samsung archetype designs for
·several different types of phones?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague, ambiguous, compound.
· · · A.· · Even though I was not involved in preparing
·this document, it seems these are the -- these are what we
·did when we prepared archetype designs.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· Was the Galaxy S smartphone designed
·based on any of the archetype designs in Exhibit 1742?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague, ambiguous, speculation.
· · · A.· · We did use the archetype design based on one of
·the styles that were created.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· Is it in this document, the archetype
·design that you used?
· · · A.· · So this is how we work.· We do not transplant
·what we have here to our commercial product.· We came
·up -- we come up with a motif, and we continuously refine
·it and come up with the final archetype design.
· · · · · · But you could say that we did have motif to
·come up with the Galaxy S smartphone archetype design.
· · · Q.· · Okay.· So are you saying that the 2009

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·archetype designs gave you some general ideas, but then
·when you designed the Galaxy S smartphone, you were then
·shifting to a specific design that was not exactly the
·same as any of the 2009 archetypes?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague, ambiguous.
· · · A.· · So we keep refining the designs, so what came
·first could be different, different from what actual comes
·as a product.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· Interjection:· "As to the
·design, it is subject to an ongoing refinement, so the
·design could -- it's possible the design actually could be
·different from the initial one."
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· But looking at Exhibit 1742, are there
·any specific 2009 archetypes that you relied on in
·creating the Galaxy S design?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous.
· · · A.· · Since I was not personally involved in this
·archetype design, I cannot pinpoint one.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Were you responsible for the Galaxy S design?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Objection, vague, ambiguous.
· · · A.· · I did it together.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
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·Could you read the first bullet point that begins with
·iPod?
· · · A.· · "Apple's own simple design that is associated
·with iPod series."
· · · Q.· · Okay.· Now, it refers to iPod here, but is this
·referring to the iPhone?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Objection, speculation, vague
·and ambiguous.
· · · A.· · I did not prepare this report myself, but as to
·my personal opinion, I believe this is iPod, not iPad.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "iPhone."
· · · A.· · iPod, not iPhone.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · All right.· And then on the left side, do you
·see it says "2007."· Is that a photo of the iPhone above
·2007?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Speculation, vague and
·ambiguous.
· · · A.· · I cannot tell whether it's iPhone or iPad.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Did you say "iPhone or iPad" or "iPhone or
·iPod"?
· · · A.· · I do not know whether it's iPhone or iPod.

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· · · A.· · Yes.
· · · Q.· · Okay.· And did you and Mister -- what I'm -- I
·understand your comment that you generally looked at the
·archetype designs.· My question is:· Looking at the
·archetype designs for 2009, are there any specific designs
·here that you consider that were particularly important
·when you and Mr. Lee designed the Galaxy S smartphone?
· · · · · · (A discussion was had off the record between
·Lead Interpreter and Check Interpreter in Korean.)
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague, ambiguous, assumes facts
·not in evidence.
· · · A.· · I see this document for the first time today,
·so I need more time to look through it.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Please go ahead and look now.
· · · A.· · I think the question you just asked should be
·directed to Lee MinHyouk, the vice president.
· · · · · · LEAD INTERPRETER:· Phonetically spelled as
·M-I-N-H-Y-U-K -- I'm sorry, H-E-O-K, Lee, L-E-E.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· Could you turn to page 13 of
·Exhibit 1742, which ends with number 10808694.· And at the
·top it says, "Competitor Analysis, Apple," and there's a
·box that says, "Design an interface" on the bottom right.

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· · · Q.· · Okay.· When you designed the Galaxy S with
·Mr. MinHyouk Lee, did you give any consideration to the
·design of the iPhone?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague, ambiguous, speculation.
· · · A.· · No.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Not at all?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Same objections.
· · · · · · MR. GRANT KIM:· I think he gave an answer that
·wasn't translated.
· · · A.· · No.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "I couldn't have."
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · You said you couldn't have given any
·consideration to the iPhone design.· Why is that?
· · · A.· · We tried to come up with our own phone.
· · · Q.· · Okay.· So in trying to come up with your own
·phone, did you consider it important to make a design that
·was different from the iPhone?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous.
· · · A.· · I do not understand what you mean by "design
·different from the iPhone."
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Well, when you designed the Galaxy S, did you
·care if it looked similar to the iPhone?

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· · · A.· · I believe in terms of design, the two products
·are not similar.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · When you were actually designing the Galaxy S,
·did you make a deliberate effort to make the design
·different from the iPhone?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague, ambiguous.
· · · A.· · I think design is trying to express our own
·unique distinctiveness under the given circumstances, and
·we try to do that.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · So in the case of the Galaxy S, are you saying
·that you tried to express Samsung's unique distinctiveness
·in a way that was different from the iPhone?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague, ambiguous.
· · · A.· · We try to express our unique identity under
·Samsung's own design philosophy and brand recognition.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· And is Samsung's own unique design
·philosophy different from Apple's?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Objection.· Excuse me,
·objection, vague, ambiguous, speculation, no foundation as
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·ambiguous, compound.
· · · A.· · When you say "similar," can you elaborate on
·which areas do you think are similar -·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · I'm referring to the similarity in the external
·appearance of the phone.
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Same objections, vague,
·ambiguous, compound.
· · · A.· · So in relation to exterior of phones, the size
·of Samsung phones are different from that of Apple, as
·well as the location of jacks and knobs.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "So there are differences
·in such detail."
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· My question is not related to the final
·product.· My question is:· When you and Mr. MinHyouk Lee
·were developing the Samsung Galaxy S smartphone design,
·was one of your goals to make a design that was different
·from the iPhone?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous.
· · · A.· · Our goal is not to develop a smartphone that's
·different from iPhone, but to develop a smartphone with
·our own identity.
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·based on that philosophy, we developed our product design.
·So Samsung design has 30 years of -- about 30 years of
·history, and we have made sufficient investment that fits
·our history, and we have already built a design philosophy
·and brand recognition, and we are also conducting
·training.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "We are conducting adequate
·training."
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Do you know whether Samsung's design philosophy
·is different from Apple's?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Objection, vague, ambiguous,
·speculation, no foundation as to personal knowledge,
·assumes facts not in evidence.
· · · A.· · So because I'm not familiar with Apple's design
·philosophy, I cannot make comparison; and in the morning
·session, I did explain about our design philosophy.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· So when you designed the Galaxy S, was
·it your goal to focus on making a design that was
·consistent with Samsung's design philosophy, and it didn't
·matter whether the final product was similar or not to the
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· · · Q.· · Okay.· So whether or not the Galaxy S design
·was similar to the iPhone was not important to you when
·you designed the Galaxy S; is that correct?
· · · · · · MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague, ambiguous.
· · · A.· · We did not consider that.
· · · Q.· · Okay.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "That wasn't considered."
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· So I showed you a document that showed
·the archetype design from 2009.· We have some documents
·from you and from other witnesses that show archetype
·designs for 2010 and 2011, but as far as I can tell, they
·seem to be planning documents, and they don't seem to be
·the final design.
· · · · · · So I'm going to show you a couple of archetype
·design documents from 2010 and 2011, and my basic question
·is:· Do these show the final archetype design for 2010?
· · · · · · (SG Kim Deposition Exhibit 1743 marked.)
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· The first document is marked as
·Exhibit 1743, SAMNDCA10809734 through 9875, and it
·seems -- this was from your files.· It's a collection of
·various documents.
· · · · · · And there are some references to archetype
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