Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. et al

Filing 1150

MOTION for Extension of Time and to Seal Documents re #1024 Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Documents Re Apples Opposition To Samsungs Motion For Summary Judgment, #1022 Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Documents Re Apples Opposition To Samsungs Motion For Summary Judgment, #1020 Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Documents Under Seal Re Apples Opposition To Samsungs Motion For Summary Judgment, #1023 Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Documents Re Apples Opposition To Samsungs Motion For Summary Judgment, #925 Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Apple's Motion for Summary Judgment of Non-Infringement of U.S. Patent Number 7,362,867 and Invalidity of U.S. Patent Numbers 7,456,893 and 7,577,460, #1013 Administrative Motion to File Under Seal Documents Under Seal Re Apples Opposition To Samsungs Motion For Summary Judgment filed by Samsung Electronics America, Inc.(a New York corporation), Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., Samsung Telecommunications America, LLC(a Delaware limited liability company). Responses due by 7/2/2012. (Attachments: #1 Exhibit 1 to Samsung's Motion, #2 Declaration of Anthony P. Alden in Support of Samsung's Motion, #3 Exhibit 1 to the Alden Declaration, #4 Declaration of Hankil Kang in Support of Samsung's Motion, #5 Exhibit 1 to the Kang Declaration, #6 Exhibit 2 to the Kang Declaration, #7 Exhibit 3 to the Kang Declaration, #8 Exhibit 4 to the Kang Declaration, #9 Exhibit 5 to the Kang Declaration, #10 Exhibit 6 to the Kang Declaration, #11 Exhibit 7 to the Kang Declaration, #12 Exhibit 8 to the Kang Declaration, #13 Exhibit 9 to the Kang Declaration, #14 Exhibit 10 to the Kang Declaration, #15 Exhibit 11 to the Kang Declaration, #16 Exhibit 12 to the Kang Declaration, #17 Exhibit 13 to the Kang Declaration, #18 Exhibit 14 to the Kang Declaration, #19 Exhibit 15 to the Kang Declaration, #20 Exhibit 16 to the Kang Declaration, #21 Exhibit 17 to the Kang Declaration, #22 Exhibit 18 to the Kang Declaration Pt. 1 of 5, #23 Exhibit 18 to the Kang Declaration Pt. 2 of 5, #24 Exhibit 18 to the Kang Declaration Pt. 3 of 5, #25 Exhibit 18 to the Kang Declaration Pt. 4 of 5, #26 Exhibit 18 to the Kang Declaration Pt. 5 of 5, #27 Exhibit 19 to the Kang Declaration, #28 Exhibit 20 to the Kang Declaration, #29 Exhibit 21 to the Kang Declaration, #30 Exhibit 22 to the Kang Declaration, #31 Exhibit 23 to the Kang Declaration, #32 Exhibit 24 to the Kang Declaration, #33 Exhibit 25 to the Kang Declaration, #34 Exhibit 26 to the Kang Declaration, #35 Exhibit 27 to the Kang Declaration, #36 Exhibit 28 to the Kang Declaration, #37 Proposed Order Granting Samsung's Miscellaneous Administrative Request)(Maroulis, Victoria) (Filed on 6/28/2012)

KANG DECLARATION
EXHIBIT 13

Exhibit 39
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HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL - SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER
· · · · ·UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
· · · ·NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
· · · · · · · SAN JOSE DIVISION
· · ·Civil Action No.:· 11-CV-01846-LHK

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·APPLE, INC., a California corporation,
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·SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD.,
·a Korean business entity, et al.
· · · · · Defendants.
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·9· · · · UNITED STATES INTERNATIONAL TRADE COMMISSION
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11· ·In the Matter of:
12· ·CERTAIN ELECTRONIC DIGITAL· · · · · · ·Case No.:
13· ·MEDIA DEVICES AND COMPONENTS· · · · · ·337-TA-796
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17· · · · · · · · ·SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER
18· · · · CONTINUED VIDEOTAPED PERSONAL DEPOSITION OF:
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· · · ·Kim & Chang
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·9:03 a.m. to 11:57 a.m.

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· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Jon Cederberg of Quinn,
· · · ·Emanuel, Urquhart and Sullivan for the Samsung
· · · ·entities.
· · · · · ·COURT REPORTER:· Do you solemnly swear or
· · · ·affirm that you will well and truly interpret
· · · ·the questions propounded by counsel and the
· · · ·answers given by the witness from Korean to
· · · ·English and English to Korean to the best of
· · · ·your ability.
· · · · · ·LEAD INTERPRETER:· Yes, I do.
· · · · · ·CHECK INTERPRETER:· Yes, I do.
· · · · · ·MR. GRANT KIM:· I've been asked to read the
· · · ·following statement:· We understand the court
· · · ·reporter is not authorized to administer oaths
· · · ·in this venue; nevertheless, we request that she
· · · ·administer the oath, and we stipulate that we
· · · ·waive any objection to the validity of the
· · · ·deposition based on the oaths.
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· So stipulated.
· · · · · · · · · · SeogGuen KIM,
·after having been duly sworn by the reporter, pursuant
·to stipulation of counsel, was examined and testified
·through the interpreter as follows:
· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I do.
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· · · ·agreed.
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· And that is our agreement.
· · · · · ·MR. GRANT KIM:· And, Mr. Kim, that will make
· · · ·your deposition shorter today, so I'm glad the
· · · ·parties were able to reach agreement.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · So I'm showing you a document that's been
·marked as Exhibit 2014.
· · · · · ·(Exhibit 2014 was marked for
·identification.)
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · And we received this from Samsung's counsel
·this morning at our request.· And I appreciate if you
·could -- I believe that Exhibit 2014 is just a color
·version of Exhibit 1746.
· · · · · ·But for the record, Exhibit 2014 has the
·Bates number SAMNDCA 10806650 through 6659.
· · · · · ·Can you confirm that Exhibit 2014 is simply
·a color copy of the prior exhibit called "S Project"?
· · ·A.· · Yes, correct.
· · ·Q.· · And we discussed this before, but can you
·turn to, I guess the second and third pages, which end
·10806651 and 6652?
· · · · · ·And you'll see there are three models shown
·on 10806652.·

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·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · Good morning, Mr. Kim.
· · ·A.· · Good morning (in English).
· · ·Q.· · We previously discussed a document that was
·marked Exhibit 1746.
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Grant, do you want to put
· · · ·that agreement on the record first?
· · · · · ·MR. GRANT KIM:· Yes.
· · · · · ·Before we get into the examination, just
· · · ·mention that Apple and Samsung have reached an
· · · ·agreement concerning procedural issues on this
· · · ·deposition.· The agreement is that the
· · · ·deposition being taken today as well as the
· · · ·deposition that was already taken on February
· · · ·29th, 2012, those depositions are for both the
· · · ·purpose of the Northern District of California
· · · ·litigation and the ITC action that were
· · · ·mentioned by the videographer at the beginning.
· · · · · ·And we are planning to finish our
· · · ·questioning today by noon.
· · · · · ·And also the parties have agreed the time
· · · ·will be allocated between Northern District of
· · · ·California/ITC on a 50/50 basis with further
· · · ·adjustments for translation time as previously

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·Q.· · So I'm showing you Exhibit 1747.
· · · ·Exhibit 1747 says "Aries" at the top.
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·are samples of archetypes, of Samsung's archetypes for
·2008, 2009 and 2010?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous,
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· · ·A.· · It seems like that.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · I'm showing you a document that was
·previously marked as Exhibit 1748.
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·identification.)
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · I'm showing you a document that's been
·marked as Exhibit 2017.· It has Bates numbers SAMNDCA
·00530405 through 530490.· And it says "Mobile Planview"
·on the front.
· · · · · ·Do you recognize this document?
· · ·A.· · Not really.
· · ·Q.· · Let me ask you about, several pages in it
·says -- the page ending 00530410 is called "Style
·Overview."
· · · · · ·And here there's a circle which has
·"minimal" in the middle.· It has "organic" on the side.
·It has pictures of different kinds of -- different
·phones.
· · · · · ·Have you seen charts in similar format
·before?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous.
· · ·A.· · Since our design strategy team came up with
·this, I have seen these kind of charts.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · And what's the purpose of this kind of
·chart?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Foundation, speculation.

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· ·for itself, misstates the record, assumes facts
· ·not in evidence, calls for speculation,
· ·foundation.
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· · ·Q.· · I'm showing you a document that's been
·marked as Exhibit 2016.· And it has the date December
·16th, 2009 at the top and it's Bates numbers
·S-ITC-009018052 through 8055.· And towards the -- about
·a third of the way down the page there's a reference to
·flagship Aries.
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· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Objection, vague and
· · · ·ambiguous, foundation, speculation.
· · ·A.· · Please give me time to look through the
·document.
· · · · · ·I cannot accurately answer your question
·just by looking at this document.

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· · ·A.· · I believe your question could be more
·rightly directed to the person who made this chart, but
·if I were to answer your question, Samsung has many
·types of end users, from young to the silver
·generation, and I believe this chart was made to study
·on each segment.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · So I see something called "mechanic" and
·"futuristic" and "organic."· Is it correct that those
·are describing different kinds of design styles that
·may appeal to different kinds of consumers?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Objection, vague and
· · · ·ambiguous, speculation, foundation.
· · ·A.· · So when we prepare our designs, we prepare
·our designs in different types of categories and
·different keywords.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · And if you look at this diagram is it
·correct that it is putting different smartphones into
·different categories based on the keyword?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Objection, compound, vague
· · · ·and ambiguous, speculation, foundation.
· · ·A.· · For more accurate -- if you wanted to get
·more accurate information you should ask that to the
·person who made this report, but I think that's true.

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· · ·Q.· · What is your understanding of the meaning of
·"organic"?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous.· And
· · · ·speculation, foundation.· Because I assume your
· · · ·question is related to what it means in this
· · · ·document, not his personal understanding at any
· · · ·given time.
· · ·A.· · I can only give you my personal ideas.· So
·if you want the accurate information, you should ask
·the person who prepared this report.
· · · · · ·MR. GRANT KIM:· Counsel, I object to the
· · · ·speaking objection.· If you want to object, just
· · · ·keep it short.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · But in any event, you testified that you
·have seen this kind of format and you also have
·testified that you're an experienced designer.
· · · · · ·What is your understanding of the meaning of
·"organic" as generally used by Samsung designers?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous,
· · · ·speculation, foundation.
· · ·A.· · So as I told you before, I am a manager.· I
·manage the design of a product exterior so I just give
·them the direction of whether it is right or wrong.

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·I think the keyword such as "mechanic," "futuristic,"
·"romantic," "casual" are not all different.· I believe
·minimal is the keyword that's at the center, and the
·other, I believe for each segment these features are
·expressed differently.· That's how I interpret it.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · Okay.· So, for example, if we take the
·futuristic segment, there are different kinds of
·futuristic models.· And the ones that are closer to the
·center are more minimal futuristic and the ones that
·are farther away are more expressive futuristic.· Is
·that correct?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Compound, vague and
· · · ·ambiguous, speculation, foundation, document
· · · ·speaks for itself.
· · ·A.· · Well, the opinions that I just laid are my
·personal opinions.· And if you want a more accurate
·interpretation of this chart you should ask the person
·who prepared this.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · Okay.· All I'm asking is for your
·understanding based on a person responsible for Samsung
·mobile phone design who has reviewed similar charts.
· · · · · ·Can you turn to page ending 00530428, which
·says, "Style Analysis:· Samsung" at the top?

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· · · · · ·And the meaning of keyword is different
·according to the times.· And I believe my subordinates
·can more -- are in a better position to interpret the
·meaning of those keywords.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · What's your understanding of the meaning of
·"organic"?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Same objections as to the
· · · ·last question.
· · ·A.· · Well, if you were to insist on hearing my
·personal opinions, the word "organic" comes to me as
·pebble.· It's a round shape and it's soft and it has a
·good, great feeling.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · In the center there's a circle that says
·"minimal" and then there's a straight line going up
·that says "expressive."
· · · · · ·Is it correct that the products that are
·closer to the center are more minimal and the products
·that are farther away from the center are more
·expressive?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous,
· · · ·speculation, foundation, document speaks for
· · · ·itself.
· · ·A.· · Well, if I were to interpret it personally,

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·Monte, M-O-N-T-E, and Corby.· Is it correct that those
·are Samsung models?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous, vague
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· · ·A.· · Yes, correct.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · And on this chart it shows those models in
·mechanic, futuristic and casual sectors; is that
·correct?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Misstates the record,
· · · ·misstates the testimony, vague and ambiguous.
· · · ·Document speaks for itself.
· · ·A.· · This is what this chart says.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · Could you turn to the page ending 00530413.
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· 413?
· · · · · ·MR. GRANT KIM:· 413.
· · · · · ·At the top it says, "Style Overview, Style
· · · ·Insight:· '09 versus '10-11 Samsung style."
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · Is it correct, Mr. Kim, that if you look
·under Samsung '09 the chart shows that most Samsung
·products are the mechanic, futuristic and casual
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· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Objection, vague and
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· · ·A.· · It seems this is what this chart says.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · And if you look to the right side where it
·says "Samsung 10-11 Roadmap," is it correct that
·from -- it shows an arrow from the center where
·there's -- going out into the section called "Organic"?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Vague and ambiguous,
· · · ·document speaks for itself.
· · ·A.· · Yeah, I see the arrow from the center to
·organic.
· · · · · ·MR. GRANT KIM:· Okay.· I don't think you
· · · ·translated the first part of his answer.
· · ·A.· · Oh, I see the arrow that comes from
·futuristic to the middle.· Oh, I also see the arrow
·that goes out from the minimal to the organic.
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· · ·Q.· · Right.· The futuristic arrow is easy to see.
·The other one is a little hard to see because this is
·black and white.
· · · · · ·Do you see below that it says -- it refers
·to minimal organic style?
· · ·A.· · Yes, I see it.

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· · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· Yeah, I got it on the tape.
· · · · · ·MR. GRANT KIM:· You got it on the tape.
· · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· Yeah.
· · · · · ·MR. GRANT KIM:· The tape was just ending
· · · ·so...
· · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· Going off the record at
· · · ·10:23.
· · · · · ·(A recess was taken.)
· · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· Back on the record at 10:39.
· · · · · ·(Exhibit 2018 was marked for
·identification.)
· · · · · ·(Exhibit 2019 was marked for
·identification.)
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · Mr. Kim, I'm showing you two documents that
·have been marked as Exhibits 2018 and 2019.· These
·should be color copies of documents that were produced,
·marked previously as Exhibits 1742 and 1743.
· · · · · ·And counsel produced the color versions that
·were requested.· I just wanted to confirm that those
·are color versions of the prior exhibits.
· · · · · ·And for the record I'll note that Exhibit
·2018 is SAMNDCA 10808682 through 10808758.
· · · · · ·And the other exhibit, 2019, is Bates number

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· · ·Q.· · Did Samsung have a plan to make products in
·the minimal organic style?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Objection, compound, vague
· · · ·and ambiguous, speculation, no foundation.
· · ·A.· · I'm not so sure.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · You don't have any recollection on that
·issue?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Same objections as to the
· · · ·previous question.
· · ·A.· · No.
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · But that's what this chart page shows,
·right?
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· Objection, argumentative,
· · · ·document speaks for itself.· Compound, vague and
· · · ·ambiguous.
· · ·A.· · It seems in order to design the product to
·fit the segmentation, we have to design our product to
·suit this style.· I don't believe this is the
·mainstream, though.· As you know, Samsung has different
·types of end users, and from the design perspective
·this chart seems to show that we have to prepare a
·number of designs.
· · · · · ·MR. GRANT KIM:· Okay, let's end.

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· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· And I've made a comparison
· · · ·of the Bates numbers and I will -- in the
· · · ·interest of time I will stipulate that they
· · · ·appear to be the same documents, 1742 and 2018,
· · · ·except that 2018 is in color and is a version
· · · ·that is organized a little different with the
· · · ·larger print.
· · · · · ·But if we see anything inconsistent we'll
· · · ·let you know.· But for purposes of your
· · · ·examination, why don't we just assume that
· · · ·they're the same so you don't have to have the
· · · ·witness go through all the pages.
· · · · · ·MR. GRANT KIM:· Thank you, Counsel.
· · · · · ·And I have another exhibit, which is Exhibit
· · · ·2020, and I believe it should correspond to
· · · ·Exhibit 1744.
· · · · · ·(Exhibit 2020 was marked for
·identification.)
·BY MR. GRANT KIM:
· · ·Q.· · And it's the same question, if they're
·simply a color version of the black and white.
· · · · · ·And Exhibit 2020 has Bates numbers SAMNDCA
·10807316 through 10807387.
· · · · · ·MR. CEDERBERG:· The third one, 2020, that's

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· · · · · · · · ·DEVICES AND COMPONENTS THEREOF
·DEPOSITION OF:· SeogGuen KIM
·DATE TAKEN:· Friday, March 2, 2012
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· · · · · · ·I, Tracey S. LoCastro, Registered
·Professional Reporter, do hereby certify
·that the aforementioned witness was first duly sworn
·as noted by stipulation of counsel to testify the
·whole truth; that I was authorized to and did report
·said deposition in stenotype; and that the foregoing
·pages are a true and correct transcription of my
·shorthand notes of said deposition.
· · · · · · I further certify that said deposition was
·taken at the time and place hereinabove set forth
·and that the taking of said deposition was commenced
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relative or employee of any attorney or counsel of
party connected with the action, nor am I
financially interested in the action.

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·transcript does not apply to any reproduction of the
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