Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. et al

Filing 1346

Unredacted Exhibits to Bartlett Decl ISO Apple's Response to Samsung's Opening Memo Re Design Patent Claim Construction (Dkt. No. 1140) re 1256 Order on Administrative Motion to File Under Seal, by Apple Inc.. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit 2, # 2 Exhibit 3, # 3 Exhibit 4, # 4 Exhibit 5, # 5 Exhibit 6, # 6 Exhibit 7, # 7 Exhibit 8, # 8 Exhibit 9, # 9 Exhibit 10, # 10 Exhibit 11, # 11 Exhibit 12, # 12 Exhibit 13, # 13 Exhibit 14, # 14 Exhibit 27)(Jacobs, Michael) (Filed on 7/25/2012) Modified text on 7/26/2012 (dhm, COURT STAFF).

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Exhibit 2 (Submitted Under Seal) Page 1 1 2 3 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA SAN JOSE DIVISION 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 APPLE INC., a California corporation, ) ) ) Plaintiff, ) ) vs. ) ) SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD., ) a Korean business entity; ) SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS AMERICA, ) INC., a New York corporation, ) SAMSUNG TELECOMMUNICATIONS ) AMERICA, LLC, a Delaware ) limited liability company, ) ) Defendants. ) ________________________________) No: 11-cv-01846 LHK 14 15 16 17 DEPOSITION OF CHRISTOPHER STRINGER Redwood Shores, California Wednesday August 3, 2011 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Reported By: LINDA VACCAREZZA, RPR, CLR, CRP, CSR. NO. 10201 JOB NO. 40906 TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 August 3, 2011 9:05 a.m. Videotaped Deposition of CHRISTOPHER STRINGER, held at Quinn Emanuel, 555 Twin Dolphin Drive, Redwood Shores, California, pursuant to Subpoena before Linda Vaccarezza, a Certified Shorthand Reporter of the State of California. Page 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 A P P E A R A N C E S: QUINN EMANUEL URQUHART & SULLIVAN Attorneys for Samsung Electronics 865 S. Figueroa St., 10th Floor Los Angeles, California 90017 BY: MICHAEL ZELLER, ESQ. TAMAR BUCHAKJIAN, ESQ. MARGRET CARUSO, ESQ. MORRISON & FOERSTER 13 Attorneys for Apple Inc. 14 425 Market Street 15 San Francisco, California 94105 16 BY: MICHAEL A. JACOBS. ESQ. 17 PATRICK ZHANG, ESQ. 18 19 20 21 22 23 Also present: Erica Tierney, Apple Inc. Videographer: Adam Del Rio 24 25 TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 TSG Reporting - Worldwide Page 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Good morning. This is the start of the tape labled Number 1 to the videotaped deposition of Christopher Stringer in the matter of Apple, Incorporated versus Samsung Electronics Company, Limited. This deposition is being held at 555 Twin Dolphin Drive on the 5th floor in Redwood Shores, California, on August 3rd 2011. And the approximate time is 9:31 a.m. My name is Adam Del Rio, the legal video specialist from TSG Reporting. The court reporter today is Linda Vaccarezza from TSG Reporting, headquartered at 747 3rd Avenue, New York City, New York. Counsel and all present please identify yourselves for the record, beginning with the questioning attorney, please. MR. ZELLER: Mike Zeller, Quinn Emanuel for Samsung. MS. BUCHAKJIAN: Tamar Buchakjian, Quinn Emanuel for Samsung. TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 877-702-9580 Page 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. CARUSO: Margret Caruso, Quinn Emanuel, for Samsung. MR. JACOBS: Michael Jacobs, Morrison Foerster, for Apple. MR. ZHANG: Patrick Zhang, Morrison Foerster, for Apple. MS. TIERNEY: Erica Tierney for Apple. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Thank you. Will the court reporter please administer the oath, and we can proceed. C H R I S T O P H E R S T R I N G E R: called as a witness, having been duly sworn by the Certified Shorthand Reporter, was examined and testified as follows: EXAMINATION BY: MR. ZELLER: Q Good morning. A Hi. Q Have you ever had your deposition taken before? A Yes. Q On how many times? TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 2 (Pages 2 to 5) Page 98 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Any other purpose? A. No. Q. The iPad does, in fact, have a black border underneath the clear flat surface. True? A. True. Q. The iPad 2 does as well, true? A. It does include a black version, yes. Q. What does the black border do for the iPad? MR. JACOBS: Objection. Vague. THE WITNESS: Our intention is that it creates a seamless black surface on the entirety of the front of the product when the display is off such that when the display is lit, it magically appears in the center of this previously singular black surface. Q. Does the black border of the iPad perform any function at all? MR. JACOBS: Objection. Vague. THE WITNESS: No. Q. Does the black border of the iPad 2 perform any function at all? TSG Reporting - Worldwide Page 99 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 877-702-9580 Page 100 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 form. THE WITNESS: I did not do anything other than to discuss with the aforementioned designers. Q. What is underneath the black borders of the iPad product? A. There are structural elements. There are technologies and connecters and buttons at some place beneath the black borders and in front of the rear surface. Q. That's true of the iPad 2 as well, right? MR. JACOBS: Object to the form. THE WITNESS: Yes. Q. Please tell me what's your understanding as to why the display screen itself for the iPad or the iPad 2 doesn't run from edge to edge and it has borders. A. Could you say that again? Q. Please explain for me your understanding as to why the iPad and the iPad 2 have a screen that doesn't run all the way to each edge? Why don't they have edge-to-edge display screens? A. We chose to have a complete TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 MR. JACOBS: Objection. Vague. THE WITNESS: No, not to my understanding of a described function. Q. What did you do to try to determine whether or not that black border for the iPad and the iPad 2 performed any function? A. The function was aesthetic, as I described. Q. My question is: What did you do to determine whether or not the black border for the iPad and the iPad 2 performed any function? MR. JACOBS: Object to the form of the question. THE WITNESS: We discussed the process of design and we recalled clearly our objective in terms of creating that singular black oily pond-like surface across the front of the product. That was the purpose of the black border. Q. Anything else? A. That was the purpose of the black border. Q. My question is: Did you do anything else to investigate that? MR. JACOBS: Objection. Vague, TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 101 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 housing that without any breaks in product lines extends up to the top surface of the product. Q. Are there any technical challenges to having an edge-to-edge display screen for a portable electronic device? A. There are technical challenges in extending glass any amount past the display area that needs to be transparent. Q. It true that you understand a purpose of the black border for the iPad and the iPad 2 is in order to hide the electronic components that are underneath the surface, true? A. There are numerous ways to conceal components beneath the edge of the screen. Q. I'm not asking you about alternatives. My question is: Is it not true that that is, in fact, a purpose of the black border? A. The purpose of the black border is a design goal which is to extend a single monotone plain that resembles an oily pond across the entire front surface of the product such that the display when lit emerges magically from the center. Q. Please tell me yes or no. Does TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 26 (Pages 98 to 101) Page 162 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 "Question: You'll agree with me that the thicknesses of the iPad and the iPad 2 are defined by the technical specifications to be met in a way, can be manufactured and sold to consumers at a cost that consumers will pay?") MR. JACOBS: Objection. Form. THE WITNESS: I don't agree with that statement as stated. Q. So the design of the iPad and the iPad 2 has the profile of it made in a completely arbitrary thickness independent of technical and cost considerations; is that true? Is that your testimony? A. What we do is that we define the technical specification as we design the product, which means that we manipulate the technical specifications and invent solutions in order to package them within our designs. Q. Are any aspects of the design of the iPad and the iPad 2 dictated by functional considerations? A. No. Q. You can't think of a single one TSG Reporting - Worldwide Page 163 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 877-702-9580 TSG Reporting - Worldwide Page 164 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 surface? MR. JACOBS: Object to the form. THE WITNESS: I do not believe that iPad -- iPad, the first iPad and the second iPad differ in that one is flat and one is not. It is subjective to the idea that one is better than the other. Q. Isn't it true that one functional advantage to having electronic devices with a flat surface is that it will sit flat on a table, yes or no? A. If that is an important criteria, it is arguably so. Q. So you can't even answer that question whether one functional advantage of having electronic device with a flat surface is that it will sit flat on a table; is that right? A. It's easier to pick up a device that does not sit flat on a table. Q. You can't think of a single advantage from having an electronic device that can sit flat on a table, is that your testimony? MR. JACOBS: Object to the form. THE WITNESS: I think the merits of sitting flat on a table are TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 that is. Is that true? MR. JACOBS: Object to the form. THE WITNESS: As I understand the question. Q. And the same is true of the iPhone products; is that right? Not a single element of the design of those products is dictated by functional considerations at all, right? MR. JACOBS: Objection. Form. THE WITNESS: The design is defined aesthetically, and we work very hard to find technical solutions to enable and implement the designs. Q. Can you, as an industrial designer, think of a single advantage, just even one, to having an electronic device that is in the form of a rectangle? MR. JACOBS: Objection. MR. ZELLER: Has even one occurred to you? MR. JACOBS: Object to the form. THE WITNESS: I cannot relate to the question. I do not understand it. Q. Can you think of any advantage to having an electronic device that has a flat 877-702-9580 Page 165 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 subjective. Q. So you don't think it's an advantage to having an electronic device that can sit flat on a table as opposed to rolling off of it; is that right? MR. JACOBS: Object to the form. THE WITNESS: Having a surface that is not flat does not indicate that it would ever roll off a flat surface. Q. Why is it that the back of the iPhone 4 is flat as opposed to the earlier versions of the iPhone? Do you know why? A. We chose to put glass on both front and back so that we could carry the same aesthetic on both sides of the product. Q. Isn't it true that one reason why the surface of the back of the iPhone 4 is flat is because consumers complained that the earlier versions of the iPhone had rounded backs and wouldn't sit flat on a table? A. The reason the back of that phone is flat is because we chose it to have the same aesthetics as the front side of the product and to be made in the same materials in the same manner, giving the same visual appearance. TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 42 (Pages 162 to 165) Page 166 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. I asked you about one reason. You keep on dodging this question. Isn't it true that one reason why the surface of the back of the iPhone four is flat is because consumers complained, consumers complained that the earlier version of the iPhone had rounded backs and wouldn't sit flat on a table? A. That is not the reason why we dictated the design would be flat on the back surface. Q. You keep on saying that is not the reason why. I'm asking you, isn't it true that that was a reason? A. I cannot say that it was a contributing reason. Q. Consumers did make that complaint, true? A. I do not know exactly what complaints consumers made. I do not have a recollection within the time frame. Q. You say exactly. You know you know full well that consumers complained about that, don't you, generally? A. I do not have a clear, dated memory of when I may or may not have heard TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 167 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 feedback. I have also never -- it has never been dictated to us that we respond to consumer comments. Q. I'm not asking about what's been dictated to you. I'm asking you about advantages and disadvantages of designs. Do you not -don't you have enough information to be able to talk about what an advantage or disadvantage might be of a design? MR. JACOBS: Object to the form. THE WITNESS: We discuss every detail of designs. Q. Can you imagine any circumstance, any one at all where it might be advantageous to have an electronic device with a flat surface? MR. JACOBS: Object to the form. THE WITNESS: I can see so many different ways a product can be. I do not -- I don't think that way. Q. So when you approach your design functions there at Apple, you make the designs 100 percent completely arbitrary, divorced entirely from purpose, function, cost or manufacturability of the devices; is that true? MR. JACOBS: Objection. Form. TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 168 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 THE WITNESS: Our purpose is to make strong, iconic, beautiful products. We take into account many factors and trade-offs can be made. Q. Tell us what factors you take into account. MR. JACOBS: In general, Counsel, or -MR. ZELLER: Yeah. MR. JACOBS: -- in connection with a particular product? MR. ZELLER: In general. THE WITNESS: We take. MR. JACOBS: Object to the form. THE WITNESS: We take into account what you may use it for, what you may use it to do, its weight, and each of those things are very broad, broad topics. Q. Do you take into account manufacturability ever? A. We are constantly inventing ways to realize our designs. Q. Have there ever been times when technical solutions could not be found for a design that you envisioned there at Apple? TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 169 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. I do not -- I am not able to be specific about any instance, but I am sure that at some point, that has occurred. Q. Why is it for the iPad, the iPad 2 and the iPhones, that Apple chose to put those products in the common shape of a rectangle? A. We wanted to produce a very pure and simple iconic shape that distinguished itself from everything that had gone before it that had not been clean, simple, elegant rectangles. Q. Any other reason? A. We chose to make instant iconic statements that could be easily recognizable by consumers. Q. So the fact that those products have display screens is completely unrelated to the fact that they are in a rectangular shape generally; is that true? A. That's true, because the display screen does not define the outside shape of that product. Q. I didn't say defined. I said completely unrelated altogether. Is that your testimony? A. Yes. TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 43 (Pages 166 to 169) Page 174 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that you've now given for display screen. What's the shape of them? A. What's the shape of which? Could you be specific? Q. Start with the first one you had, just go through them in order. A. The active area is essentially rectangular. Q. What about the other display screen definitions you've given, what shape are those? A. The LCD module is predominantly rectangular but it can have surfaces removed, notched. There can be mounting tabs. There can be pockets and recesses, and it can vary in thickness over the entire area, depending on where the electronics may be housed, which can all be manipulated to fit in to a design of any given shape. Q. Let's think of display screen in the sense that a consumer using the iPad and iPad 2 would give to it. What's the shape of that display screen from a consumer perspective? MR. JACOBS: Objection. Form. THE WITNESS: The visual portion TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 175 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of the display screen is rectangular. Q. Is there any relationship at all between the fact that the active area, the active screen of the display screen, as you've now defined it, is rectangular and the fact that the overall product form is rectangular? MR. JACOBS: Objection. Vague. THE WITNESS: No. Q. And the same is true of the iPhone as well; is that right? A. Correct. Q. Why are the corners of the iPad and the iPad 2 rounded? A. It's an aesthetic decision. Q. Are there any advantages to consumers to having rounded corners? MR. JACOBS: Objection. Form. THE WITNESS: We set out to make a beautiful, iconic, instantly recognizable object, and that was our aesthetic decision. Q. Are there any functional advantages or any manufacturing advantages or any cost manufacturings -- cost advantages of any kind for having a tablet product that has rounded TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 176 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 corners? A. It is disadvantage for the cost of the tablet to have rounded corners. Q. You did hear my question, right? Was something -- was there something unclear about my question to you? A. You asked if there were advantages. MR. JACOBS: The question was compound, Counsel, and the witness properly dissected it. You want to divide it up, maybe you won't get answers you're not happy with. MR. ZELLER: I asked if there were any functional advantages. You heard that word, right? THE WITNESS: I heard that word. Q. So why did you point out a disadvantage? A. Because it is the opposite of advantage which would indicate that it was not an advantage. Q. Let's just start with some simple questions. Tell me yes or no. Can you think of a single advantage, functional advantage of any TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 177 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 kind to having rounded corners for a tablet computer product? MR. JACOBS: Objection. Form. THE WITNESS: Rounded corners is a generic expression. There are small rounded corners, there are big rounded corners. I find it a subjective question. Q. So you can't answer that question. It just doesn't make any sense to you; is that true? A. True. Q. We need to change tapes. MR. JACOBS: Let's break. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: This marks the end of Tape Number 2 in today's deposition of Christopher Stringer. The time is 3:02 p.m. and we are off the record. (recess taken from 3:02 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: This marks the beginning of Tape Number 3 of today's deposition of Christopher Stringer. The time is 3:15 p.m. and we are on record. BY MR. ZELLER: TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 45 (Pages 174 to 177) Page 182 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 important? A. I do not recall any breakdown of which particular characteristics of a design would have attracted consumers nor -Q. Whether or not you recall any breakdown, do you have any knowledge or information on that subject? A. You're asking me about specific portions of a design, so you're asking me for a specific breakdown. I do not understand the question any other way. Q. Do consumers consider it to be important from a design perspective, an aesthetic perspective, that the iPhone and the iPad products are rectangular? A. No, I've never seen any comment of that nature. Q. Do consumers consider it to be important from an aesthetic or design perspective that the iPhone and the iPad products have rounded corners? A. I do not -MR. JACOBS: Objection. Form. THE WITNESS: -- have any survey data of that particular issue. TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 183 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 TSG Reporting - Worldwide Page 184 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of one piece; is that true? A. We designed something that we thought was most beautiful as the singular volume free of complication such that it is a very calm and attractive object. Q. Do you have knowledge or information as to whether any particular elements or features of the designs of the iPhone or the iPad products are important to consumers? A. Could you tell me what you mean by "features" in this instance? Q. It's unclear to you? A. Yes. Q. Do you know what the word "element" means? A. Yes. Q. That was part of my question, too. A. Uh-huh. Q. So do you know what a "design element" is? A. I have my understanding of what that means. Q. Do you have any knowledge or information as to whether any particular design elements of the iPad or the iPhone products are TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Q. So you don't know? A. When you refer to "rounded," I imagine a multitude of shapes. You need to be more specific in what I'm comparing them to. Q. I'm not comparing it to anything. I'm asking about the rounded corners that the iPhone and the iPad products use. Do you have any information or information as to whether or not consumers consider it to be important, from an aesthetic or design perspective, that those products have rounded corners? A. My understanding of what you're referring to regarding rounded corners is the front view of the product, whereas a more sophisticated understanding of design would interpret the surface, the entirety of the back form, it is a singular surface. The fact that we have one surface that envelopes the entire back of the product and the size of the product creates a very simple appearance. Q. And from your perspective, it's important to consumers, so far as the design or the aesthetics of the phone, that those are all 877-702-9580 Page 185 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 important to consumers? A. I know that the complete solution is attractive to consumers. I do not have information that breaks down feature by feature, element by element, to what degree the consumer responds positively to that product. Q. You mentioned earlier that Apple was making to look -- make the designs look calm and attractive. Please tell me what that means? A. We strive towards simplification. In many instances, that means removing parts, integrating parts, and generally creating something that is the least that it can be. Q. What do you mean by "the least it can be"? A. The iPad is essentially two parts, the housing and the clear glass front, with just one gap between those two parts, which is quite unique for a product. It is entirely unique, in my understanding, of products that previously existed in this category. That is the kind of simplicity that I'm referring to. Q. Anything else? A. That is the biggest most TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 47 (Pages 182 to 185) Page 206 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Uh-huh. Q. And, specifically, it's the front surface of the first iPhone along with a -- at least the bezeled portion of it inside profile? A. That is correct. Q. Let me show you what was previously marked as Exhibit 7, which is U.S. design Patent 618677. Do you recognize this document? A. Yes. Q. What do you recognize this document as? A. The first iPhone. Q. And, specifically, you recognize this as the front surface of the first iPhone, and in this view doesn't depict the bezel? A. Yes. Q. You'll see that Exhibit 7 has a list of inventors? A. Yes. Q. And if I asked you the same questions about who participated and contributed what in terms of the ideas and the designs that are depicted here in Exhibit 7, you would give me the same answers? TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 207 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 208 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 constraints or any other constraints that you're aware of about where a slot for the speaker that goes to the ear of a phone can be located? A. If you really think about it, you could put it pretty much anywhere. Q. Are there any constraints that you know, from a technical or commercial viability perspective, on the placement? A. It would be more commercial viable to put it to the left a little. Q. Why is the shape of the ear piece hole in a -- with kind of rounded edges? A. Excuse me? Why? Q. Why is the shape of this ear piece hole in a slot shape? A. It is a slot shape for aesthetic reasons, and that it's a very simple, calm shape that allowed us to get an opening over the location where the receiver is on the product. Q. What's the purpose of that opening? A. There is a need not to occlude the path of the sound. Q. It's the hole where people put their ear up to the phone to hear, right? TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 A. I would give you the same answers of the related question that you asked regarding the iPad. Q. In other words, you can't break it out into a particular person's specific contribution, right? A. It is the product of this team. Q. And the same is true of Exhibit 6. If I were to ask you those questions, you would give me the same answer? A. That is correct. Q. Focusing your attention on Exhibit 6 and 7. You'll see that the speaker slot is located in a particular position? A. I see it. Q. Why was the slot put in that position? A. Because it was the most calm and simple impression that we could create for that feature on the front face of the product. Q. Are there any user constraints that you're aware of concerning the placement of the speaker slot on the phone? A. Repeat the question. Q. Sure. Are there any user TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 209 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. That is correct. Q. Were there alternative designs that Apple considered where the ear hole there, the slot was in places other than the upper half of the phone? A. I believe there were some concepts where the slot was not on the front face, if that answers your question. Q. From your perspective, is it important from a design perspective where this ear hole slot is placed on a design? A. From a design perspective? Q. Yes? A. From an aesthetic -Q. Right? A. -- purpose? We found this to be the most attractive location and -- yeah. Q. Let me ask you this: Assuming that the ear hole slot was moved up higher on the phone, on the front surface of the phone than what's depicted here near the top, from your perspective, would that make the design substantially different or would it still be substantially the same? A. Substantially the same. TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 53 (Pages 206 to 209) Page 322 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 but I do recall exhaustive meetings discussing what form factor we would want of such a device. Q. And how about the aesthetic aspects of the device, where did those come from? A. We, the team that is credited on the patent documents, all -- actually, I just went blank and forgot the question. Q. How were the aesthetic aspects of the device? A. Yeah. Those mentioned in the design team were all active participants in thrashing through and creating, representing ideas, either verbally or in sketches or in whatever way you choose to. There are no rules. It is a very free-flowing, very creative. The design team has been together. Essentially, we have been accumulating designers in the last 18 years. I've been there nearly 16. Many of us, we have never lost a designer that we truly value in that period of time. So that the level of discussion is very free-flowing, very natural, and very much in tune where we have a very productive dynamic. Q. With respect to the iPhone, was the general process that you've described TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 323 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 followed? A. Yes. Q. And so it's a little nearer in time, can you describe in general how the iPhone was designed, the process of design for the iPhone? A. The original iPhone or all the iPhones? Q. Let's start with the original iPhone, the one that's reflected in the design patents that are before us today, the 087 and 677 design patents. A. How it was designed? Q. Let me ask a slightly different question. A. Can you ask a more specific question? Q. You talked about in connection with the iPad this idea of an oily puddle? A. Uh-huh. Q. What -- do you have a similar -do you have a formulation to describe the design aesthetic or your design goal for the original iPhone? A. The iPhone was leveraging that TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 324 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 idea heavily in that we wanted to have that same black, mysterious, oily surface that projected the full extent of the front face of the product which the magical experience of the display appearing, and to be able to interact with it. Also, we wanted to create this strong looking metal band around the perimeter of the product, which we call the metal bezel, which is an uninterrupted surface that extrudes all the way around the product, and not being affected by any other features, whether that be IO's, switches or speaker details, so that we had a very distinct, clear icon that you could recognize readily from a good long range indisputably an Apple product. I think it has to be added that you may note that our products rely on this maniacal design process in order to get a strong, marketable icon that represents a product in an entirely new way such that we do not even need to put our brand on the front of the product, which we do not do on iPods or iPhones or iPads. MR. JACOBS: I have no further questions. I do want to note that we have brought with us, in case you had wanted to ask, a secure computer with CAD TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 325 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 designs on it so that the witness could be asked about CAD designs, and I'm holding it for the video camera now. Other than that, I think we are done. MR. ZELLER: And we obviously reserve our rights and I think you intend to leave, if I understand things correctly. MR. JACOBS: Off the record. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: This marks the end of Tape Number 5 of five and concludes today's deposition of Christopher Stringer. The time is 7:04 p.m. and we are off the record. (Time noted: 7:04 p.m.) ___________________ CHRISTOPHER STRINGER Subscribed and sworn to before me This day of , 2011. ______________________________________ TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 82 (Pages 322 to 325) Page 326 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CERTIFICATE STATE OF CALIFORNIA ) ) COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO ) I, LINDA VACCAREZZA, a Certified Shorthand Reporter for the State of California, do hereby certify: That CHRISTOPHER STRINGER, the witness whose deposition is hereinbefore set forth, was duly sworn by me and that such deposition is a true record of the testimony given by such witness. I further certify that I am not related to any of the parties to this action by blood or marriage; and that I am in no way interested in the outcome of this matter. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this 3rd day of August, 2011. ________________________________ LINDA VACCAREZZA, CSR. NO. 10201 TSG Reporting - Worldwide Page 327 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 877-702-9580 -------------I N D E X---------------WITNESS EXAMINATION BY PAGE C. STRINGER MS. MOSER 5 --------------EXHIBITS---------------PLAINTIFF'S PAGE Exhibit 47 Hand-drawn Sketch...................35 Exhibit 48 Multipaged Document Bates stamped APLNDC 00014225 through '14228......85 Exhibit 49 Apple Confidential - Need to Know Vision..............................105 Exhibit 50 Multi-Paged Document of Images of Smartphones and Computer Tablets............................236 Exhibit 51 Tablet Device......................251 TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 328 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 EXHIBITS (CONT'D) Exhibit 52 Tablet Device......................252 Exhibit 53 Color Photocopy of Tablet.........253 Exhibit 54 Color Copy of Tablet Device.......255 Exhibit 55 Color Photocopy of PVD Device.....260 Exhibit 56 HP Device Specification...........267 Exhibit 57 Various Drawing Designs...........268 Exhibit 58 Various Drawing Designs.........283 Exhibit 59 Drawing Design...................288 TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 Page 329 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 EXHIBITS (CONT'D) Exhibit 60 Screen shot of File Names........306 Exhibit 61 Multi-Page Document bearing Bates Numbers APLNDC 00014237 through '14244...........................306 Exhibit 62 Multi-Paged Document bearing Bates Number APLNDC 0004232 through 14236.............................306 TSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580 83 (Pages 326 to 329)

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