Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. et al

Filing 1346

Unredacted Exhibits to Bartlett Decl ISO Apple's Response to Samsung's Opening Memo Re Design Patent Claim Construction (Dkt. No. 1140) re 1256 Order on Administrative Motion to File Under Seal, by Apple Inc.. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit 2, # 2 Exhibit 3, # 3 Exhibit 4, # 4 Exhibit 5, # 5 Exhibit 6, # 6 Exhibit 7, # 7 Exhibit 8, # 8 Exhibit 9, # 9 Exhibit 10, # 10 Exhibit 11, # 11 Exhibit 12, # 12 Exhibit 13, # 13 Exhibit 14, # 14 Exhibit 27)(Jacobs, Michael) (Filed on 7/25/2012) Modified text on 7/26/2012 (dhm, COURT STAFF).

Exhibit 13
(Submitted Under Seal)

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·APPLE, INC., a California
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·SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS, CO., LTD.,
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·SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS AMERICA,
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·SAMSUNG TELECOMMUNICATIONS
·AMERICA, LLC, a Delaware limited
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·SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS, CO., LTD.,
·a Korean business entity;
·SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS AMERICA,
·INC., a New York corporation;
·SAMSUNG TELECOMMUNICATIONS
·AMERICA, LLC, a Delaware limited
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· · · · · · We understand the court reporter is not
·authorized to administer oaths in this venue.
·Nevertheless we request that he administer the oath and we
·stipulate that we waive any objection to the validity of
·the deposition based on the oaths.
· · · · · · THE REPORTER:· Counsel, agreed?
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· It is.
· · · · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Our court reporter, Mike
·Miller of American Realtime Court Reporters Asia, will now
·swear in the interpreters and the witness, and we shall
·proceed.
· · · · · · (Interpreters sworn.)
· · · · · · · · · · · · MINHYOUK LEE,
· · · · having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
· · · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · Good morning, sir.· Could you please state your
·name for the record?
· · · A.· · My name is MinHyouk Lee.
· · · · · · LEAD INTERPRETER:· M-I-N-H-Y-O-U-K, L-E-E.
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · By whom are you employed, Mr. Lee?
· · · A.· · My employer?
· · · Q.· · Yes.
· · · A.· · Samsung Electronics Co.· Is that what you're

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· · · A.· · My current position, December 2010.
· · · Q.· · So do I understand correctly that since
·December 2010 you have been vice president of the Mobile
·Communications Team?
· · · A.· · That is correct.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "Yes."
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · Has your title changed since December 2010?
· · · A.· · No.
· · · · · · (MH Lee Deposition Exhibit 2105 marked.)
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · I'm going to ask the court reporter to mark as
·Exhibit 2105 a document, which I'll ask you to take a look
·at, Mr. Lee.· It's a document which bears Bates number
·S-ITC-003006128.
· · · · · · Mr. Lee, do you see your name on Exhibit 2105?
· · · A.· · Yes.
· · · Q.· · And does this document accurately reflect your
·current title and position within Samsung Electronics?
· · · A.· · Title and position, I believe are the same
·thing, and this is a list of the team members I had that I
·led last year.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· Excuse me.· "Title and
·position I believe are the same, and this is the list of
·the team organizations I was a part of at last year."

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·asking?· I don't understand exactly when you say
·"employer."· Are you asking about the group or the
·representative?· I'm confused.
· · · Q.· · By what particular entity of Samsung
·Corporation are you employed?
· · · A.· · Samsung Electronics Company.
· · · Q.· · And what's your current title at Samsung
·Electronics?
· · · A.· · I am a vice president.
· · · Q.· · Vice president of what, Mr. Lee?
· · · A.· · Mobile Communications Division, Design Team.
·I'm the vice president there, MinHyouk Lee.
· · · Q.· · And in that position, you are currently a
·member of the Design Group; is that correct?
· · · A.· · That is correct.
· · · Q.· · And within the Design Group, are you a member
·of any other particular subgroup or organization?
· · · A.· · Based on the design team, are you asking of a
·department above that design team, or below that design
·team?· Could you clarify, please?
· · · Q.· · I'm asking you what portion of the Design Group
·are you a member of.
· · · A.· · Oh, within the design team, I'm part of the
·product design team.
· · · Q.· · When did you assume your current position?

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· · · · · · MR. STERN:· Understood.
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · Mr. Lee, prior to December 2010, what was your
·title at Samsung Electronics?
· · · · · · (A discussion was had off the record between
·Lead Interpreter and Check Interpreter in Korean.)
· · · A.· · Before December 2010, I was a principal.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "Principal engineer."
· · · · · · LEAD INTERPRETER:· I stand by her rendition.
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · And as principal engineer prior to
·December 2010, what portion of the Design Group were you a
·member of?
· · · A.· · I think it's designer or principal designer.
· · · · · · I was a unit leader of the IDC.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "Group."
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · The IDC is the ID Cluster; is that correct?
· · · A.· · That is correct.
· · · Q.· · Okay.· Exhibit 2105 lists you as director of
·the ID Cluster.· Do you see that?
· · · A.· · Yes, I see that.· It says "part leader."· I
·think there's a little bit of a confusion, but it's part
·leader.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "I think there's a little

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· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "Yes, I find it vague
·myself.· Design is not about only one aspect.· The design
·has all different aspects involved, and all these come
·together to become a product.· And there are design
·engineers who get involved, and maybe one find the design
·to be a part of it, so -- another one may not, so I don't
·think you can really make any decision or determination
·just based on that alone, and I found it vague."
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · In the paragraph that we've been looking at,
·the third bullet point in the middle of page 10251327,
·Mr. Lee, do you see a reference to "emotion"?
· · · A.· · Yes.
· · · Q.· · When you were designing the Galaxy S, did you
·try to create a product that would have emotional appeal
·for customers?
· · · A.· · Now, it says here in the paragraph "based on
·emotional CMF."· That is what we're referring to here.· If
·you look at the back end, there's new technologies in
·regards with CMF that we're introducing.· This is going to
·bring about new emotions.· Basically, CMF stands for
·color, material, finishing.
· · · Q.· · In general as a designer, do you believe it's
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·that have emotional appeal for as many people as possible?
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· Assumes facts, vague, overbroad.
· · · A.· · As I repetitively say, Samsung is a company
·that mass produces, and we cannot just focus on emotional
·appeal alone.· Good manufacturing, that's a guideline for
·design as well you see.· So just one aspect, we talk about
·did you design towards this or not, I cannot say.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· Interjection:· "As I
·repeatedly say, there are many different elements in the
·design, and Samsung is a company that does mass
·production, and designers cannot really focus in on
·emotional appeal only.· The mass production and thorough
·guideline thereof is an important element, so you cannot
·really make a judgment based on that alone."
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· · · Q.· · Directing your attention to page 6 of this
·document, Mr. Lee, with the Bates sequence ending in 333,
·you see here a number of products listed.· Can you explain
·to me, please, the relationship between these various
·products?
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· The question is overbroad and
·vague.
· · · A.· · It's talking about the Galaxy S, yes.· The
·Galaxy S.
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·appeal to customers?
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· The question is vague, overbroad.
· · · A.· · Yes, I also feel that is the case.· To give you
·an example, the first Ford T Model vehicle, whether it's
·beautiful or not, we can't say; but it has historic
·meaning, and that is because it was the first ever vehicle
·to be mass produced.
· · · · · · When you evaluate design elements, you cannot
·just focus on this one part or ask questions that are too
·broad.· With that alone, we could talk for several days
·and sort of just focus on one aspect for it to be too
·broad.· I can't answer.
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· · · Q.· · I understand that different people may find the
·same object beautiful or not beautiful.· However, when you
·design a cell phone product, how do you try to design it
·so that it has emotional appeal for as many people as
·possible?
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· Assumes facts, it's vague,
·overbroad.
· · · A.· · Your question was too long.· I'm sorry, could
·you ask it again?
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· · · Q.· · Sure.
· · · · · · How do you try to design cell phone products

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· · · Q.· · Are all of the products listed on this page
·variants of the Galaxy S design?
· · · A.· · Yes, Galaxy S products.
· · · Q.· · Do I understand that all of the products listed
·on this page derive from a common Galaxy S design?
· · · A.· · It was not derived from the design, but from
·the platform.
· · · Q.· · Do all the products listed on this page share a
·common original design?
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· The question is vague.
· · · A.· · Yes, I believe so as well.
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · Directing your attention to the page ending in
·Bates number 335 -· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· Just for the record, I think he's
·saying that he agrees with me that the question is vague.
·I don't think he's agreeing with the question just so we
·have a clear record.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· Yes.
· · · · · · MR. STERN:· Okay.· Let me back up then.
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · Once more, with respect to page ending 333,
·Mr. Lee, am I correct that you and your team designed a
·product called the Galaxy S?
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·yeah.
· · · Q.· · And was that Galaxy S design used to
·manufacture various cell phone products that were sold in
·various countries throughout the world?
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· Correction.
· · · · · · (A discussion was had off the record between
·Lead Interpreter and Check Interpreter in Korean.)
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· The question is vague.
· · · A.· · It's hard for me to exactly understand your
·question regarding that.
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· · · Q.· · This page lists a number of different products
·under various product names, such as Captivate, Fascinate,
·Vibrant and so on.· Are all the products listed on this
·page based on the Galaxy S design?
· · · A.· · It is based on the Galaxy S platform.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· I think it's actually:
·"Rather, they are based on the Galaxy S platform."
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· · · Q.· · Directing your attention to Bates page ending
·335, Mr. Lee, you see in the middle of the page, there is
·a reference to an article from the Financial Times that
·says, "Hopeful Samsung wheels out a would-be iPhone
·killer."
· · · A.· · Yes, I see that.

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·method -- a one-level progressed method of expression with
·metallic coating and laser manufacturing, we have realized
·a pattern with depth, and from a simply superficial
·feeling, we have expressed a progressed mystique feeling."
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· I'd like to note that the
·main interpreter was asked to provide a side translation
·impromptu.· As to the actual quality of the translation,
·it will have to be -- undergo further proof work.
· · · · · · MR. STERN:· Sure.
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · Mr. Lee, do you see in the passage that you
·just read, there's a reference to expression of a mystic
·feeling in the phone?
· · · A.· · That is correct.
· · · Q.· · Does that accurately reflect one thing that you
·were trying to achieve in the design of the Galaxy S?
· · · A.· · This one -- this one as well, to explain this,
·when we say the laser manufacturing, this is talking about
·the surface of the battery.· To easily explain, we have
·transparent plastic, plastic transparent materials, and
·then it's first coated, on the back side it's sprayed, and
·then if you add laser to that, instead of getting black
·and white, a simple black and white, you get a
·multilayered kind of texture.
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· · · Q.· · Was the Galaxy S designed to compete with the
·iPhone?
· · · A.· · That is not the case.
· · · · · · (MH Lee Deposition Exhibit 2107 marked.)
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · You've been handed a one-page document that's
·marked as Exhibit 2107, Mr. Lee.· It has Bates number
·SAMNDCA10763590.· What is this document, Mr. Lee?
· · · A.· · It is a recommendation for 2010 iF Product
·Design Awards.
· · · Q.· · Do you see your name listed as one of the
·designers on this document for the Galaxy S?
· · · A.· · Yes.
· · · Q.· · In the section that is labeled "Concept
·Summary," about three-quarters of the way down the page,
·please take a look at that section, if you would.
· · · · · · (Witness reviews document.)
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· · · Q.· · Could I ask you to please read the paragraph
·that is next to the phrase "Concept Summary"?
· · · A.· · "Instead of dividing the design into several
·partings, we wanted to express a single structure,
·structural sense.· From 2-D pattern, Haptic, in the
·parentheses, that is, 3-D pattern, that we -- this kind of
·continuous progression through that, this is a progressed

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· · · · · · So if it's not just a simple white and black
·and has multilayers of color and it has that kind of a
·feeling, that's what I would express as a mystique
·feeling.
· · · Q.· · Do you remember receiving this award, Mr. Lee?
· · · A.· · Yes.
· · · Q.· · And this document reflects the award that you
·received?
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· The question is vague.
· · · A.· · This is the recommendation template.
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · But the template was submitted on behalf of
·your design team to receive the award; is that correct?
· · · A.· · This is not the team.· I personally did this
·design, so it's my design, you see.· And working together,
·there's other ancillary work that has to be taken care of
·when doing this.· That's why you see the name of another
·designer.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· Just one minor correction:
·"This is not for the team."
· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Have we been going on for an
·hour?
· · · · · · MR. STERN:· Sure.· Should we take a break?
· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I have to take a restroom break.

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·to a massive production or they could not.· Or sometimes
·the creativity plays a bigger role with a designer or
·sometime it doesn't.
· · · · · · "So when it comes to archetype design, in
·overall design aspect of it, setting aside what is
·presented here, archetype design encompasses many
·different events and many different experiences for the
·designers."
· · · A.· · So archetype design should not be limited in
·any way, you see?· It could be designers traveling or
·taking trips all over the world, for instance, Egypt,
·Vietnam, France, the United Kingdom.· That could be
·archetype design, and it's basically having a new
·experience, understanding cultures.· That is a part of
·design.
· · · · · · And also, for instance, technology could be
·included.· Regional characteristics are also a part of
·that.· In a sense design, all of the aspects in design in
·general, overall, is what it is.
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· · · Q.· · Was the design for the Galaxy S based on any
·particular archetype design at Samsung?
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·"archetype design."
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· · · Q.· · Are you able to identify for me a point in time
·at which the design process for the Galaxy S began?
· · · A.· · Although I don't remember the exact date in
·2009 regarding the hardware specs for design, I think I
·received that in September 2009, yeah.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "Or thereabouts."
· · · A.· · So I cannot accurately recall, I don't remember
·accurately, see, and the reason for that is because I do
·several projects at the same time.· And when I was working
·on the Galaxy S, concurrently I was working on other
·projects, and so exactly when I -- it was -- I was
·involved, the exact date, I cannot really tell you.
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · What was the nature of the hardware
·specifications that you testified to receiving in
·September 2009?
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· Misstates the witness' testimony.
· · · A.· · Hardware specs?· Hmm.· Much earlier than the
·Galaxy S, my understanding is that there has been
·discussions about the hardware.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "Hardware specs?· Hmm.
·Receiving hardware spec?· Hmm.· Much earlier than the
·design of the Galaxy S, my understanding is that there had
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·pertaining to the Galaxy S.· I mean, I started to draw
·when I was three years old, and in university, I majored
·and studied in automotive design, product design.· I've
·been designing automobiles for five years, and now at
·Samsung it's been ten years doing design work.
· · · · · · And that's just a part of my life, all of the
·experiences that I have, that I have accumulated within
·me, you know, that is what it is.· Ten -- everything that
·I've seen ten years ago, yesterday, based on my experience
·is where it comes out, not some particular archetype
·design.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "So it's difficult to say
·what it's based on.· I think it's rather vague and
·difficult to express it that way."
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· Mr. Lee, were you the lead designer for
·the Galaxy S?
· · · A.· · Yes.
· · · Q.· · How did the design process for the Galaxy S
·begin?
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· The question is overbroad.
· · · A.· · The beginning of the Galaxy S, it's hard to
·really pinpoint that, where it started in terms of whether
·it spurred out of design, hardware, product, planning, and
·so forth.· So it's really hard to pinpoint that.

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· · · Q.· · What's the first concrete step that you
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· · · A.· · The hardware, basically, the size, making it
·small, to see if it's appropriate.· Also thickness, that's
·included in hardware specs, so to check if the thickness
·was okay.· Basically, making it exactly as it is in the
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·hardware specs that were provided, trying to come up with
·something that -- befitting to that, and I think that was
·what I tried to do first."
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· · · Q.· · Did someone else at Samsung instruct you to
·begin work on designing the Galaxy S?
· · · A.· · Someone else at Samsung?
· · · Q.· · Yes.· For example, one of your superiors.
· · · A.· · Yes.· At the design team, my superior told me

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· · · Q.· · In addition to Aries, can you recall any other
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·misleading.· You're suggesting that he's withheld
·something, design drafts from you?· There's no -- assumes
·facts, argumentative, vague, lacks foundation.
· · · · · · MR. STERN:· Let me clear this up.
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· · · Q.· · Mr. Lee, within the S Project, in addition to
·Aries, can you recall any other drafts or candidates by
·their names as you sit here today?
· · · A.· · Well, the Vesta, but in the S Project, there
·are various design directions that we can take, and I
·took -- I gave it to you through mock-ups or files, I
·opened it.· But to say how many there are, it's very
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·different design, or we can call that the same design.
· · · · · · So there are a -- I remember that we talked
·about a lot of different possibilities and talked a long
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·recognize this document?
· · · A.· · A document in this format, I have not seen
·before.
· · · Q.· · Do you recognize this as a document created by
·Samsung to list design mock-up histories?
· · · · · · (A discussion was had off the record between
·Lead Interpreter and Check Interpreter in Korean.)
· · · A.· · Well, it appears to me that this has been
·extracted from software or something like that and not
·made.· It's the first time for me as well to see this
·format of a document.· Maybe it's just because I didn't
·print it out before, but yes, anyway...
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "I'm seeing this type
·document for the first time."
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· · · Q.· · At row 74, do you see a reference to "Aries 4.0
·Touch Phone"?
· · · A.· · 74?
· · · Q.· · Row 74, yes, on page ending 242.
· · · A.· · Yes.
· · · Q.· · Okay.· Is that the design that ultimately
·became the Galaxy S?
· · · A.· · It is a draft of the S Project.
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·remembering project names.· But there are lots of
·different design suggestions for the S Project, and I
·believe I opened that through mock-ups and my files.· But
·trying to come up with how many there were, I cannot
·really give you an exact answer to that, because even
·however slight the modification or change might take
·place, when it comes to design, we might consider that as
·a different design proposal, or it may be considered the
·same.
· · · · · · "So within the S Project, there were many
·different discussions over a period of time."
· · · · · · (MH Lee Deposition Exhibit 2111 marked.)
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · I'm going to ask the reporter to hand you
·another document, Mr. Lee.· This will be Exhibit 2111.
·It's a multipage document running from SAMNDCA10144232
·through 280, and it's entitled "Design Mock-Up History."
·And I'd like to direct your attention to the page ending
·in 242, particularly at row 74.
· · · A.· · Can I look at the document first?
· · · Q.· · Sure.
· · · · · · (Witness reviews document.)
· · · A.· · This type of document, where was it made?
·BY MR. STERN:

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· · · A.· · Well, I cannot say exactly that it is this
·draft, because before the release of the product, the
·design constantly changes.· This is one draft among the
·many, and this design, like it takes off clothes and it
·changes like that, and until the release, newly it's built
·up, we build it up.· And so I cannot say that this is
·exactly the draft.· The connection would be not big, to
·say it like that.
· · · · · · (MH Lee Deposition Exhibit 2112 marked.)
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· I have another document for you here,
·Mr. Lee.· This would be Exhibit 2112, correct, which bears
·Bates numbers S-ITC-007754234 through 239.· Do you
·recognize this document, Mr. Lee?
· · · A.· · This is the first time I am seeing this format
·of a document.· This is not something under my purview.
· · · Q.· · Do you have any doubt that it was created by
·Samsung?
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· The question lacks foundation.
· · · A.· · No, I'm not saying that.· I'm saying that I
·haven't seen this format of a document before, and
·performing DIA and the sort is other work that is not
·related to me, is what I'm saying.
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· · · A.· · I don't know what exactly it is, DIA.
· · · · · · (MH Lee Deposition Exhibit 2113 marked.)
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · Okay.· I've got another document for you here,
·Mr. Lee.· It would be Exhibit 2113.· It's a multipage
·document extending from S-ITC-007849424 through 492.
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· I'm sorry, I have ending 493.
· · · · · · MR. STERN:· I'm sorry, you're right, 493.
· · · A.· · I will look over it.
· · · · · · (Witness reviews document.)
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · Do you see your name on the first page of
·Exhibit 2113, Mr. Lee?
· · · A.· · Yes, I do.
· · · Q.· · And you're identified as product designer,
·correct?
· · · A.· · That is correct.
· · · Q.· · And the document is entitled "Aries (GT-I9000)
·Global GSM Level 2."· Are you able to tell me what this
·document is, Mr. Lee?
· · · A.· · Well, this was not prepared by the design team,
·and I myself do not know well if it was made by product
·planning or marketing.· So I don't know what "Level 2"
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·did you consider the Apple iPhone 3GS product in any
·regard?
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· First of all, the question is a
·non sequitur as to this document, which he has already
·testified he hasn't seen before, so there's no foundation
·as to that.· And the question is vague and ambiguous,
·since it appears to be linking these up.
· · · A.· · Looking at this positioning competition map,
·this map, looking at this and asking that, I don't
·understand the -- because the positioning meaning here or
·the document meaning, I don't know.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "Looking at this
·positioning competition map, I don't know why you're
·coming up with that document based on this mapping.· I
·don't understand as to the meaning, based on this
·mapping."
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · Putting aside this document for a moment,
·you're familiar with the Apple iPhone 3GS, correct?
· · · A.· · Yes, I know it.
· · · Q.· · When you were asked to begin work on designing
·the Galaxy S, did anybody say to you, "We need a product
·to compete with the iPhone 3GS," or words to that effect?
· · · A.· · No, that was not the case.· We needed a

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·correct?
· · · A.· · Yes, well that is my guess.· It is not -- it
·could not be accurate, though, maybe.
· · · Q.· · Have you seen a document like this in the past?
· · · A.· · Well, yes, I have, although I did not look
·through something like this in great detail.· I cannot
·remember all the sentences, but yes, I did.
· · · Q.· · Do you have any doubt that it's a document
·created internally in Samsung?
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· Lacks foundation, calls for
·speculation.
· · · A.· · Well, I cannot give you an exact answer, but it
·looks like related content.· I believe it is made by
·Samsung.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER:· "I think it is made by
·Samsung."
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· · · Q.· · Directing your attention to the page that ends
·with 428 in this document, page entitled "Positioning ·Competition Map"?
· · · A.· · Yes.
· · · Q.· · And towards the left-hand side of the page you
·see a reference to the iPhone 3GS?

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·in the design or development.
· · · Q.· · Did anybody say to you when you undertook
·design of the Galaxy S that you should design a product
·that looked like the iPhone or words that effect?
· · · A.· · No, that didn't -- that did not take place.
· · · Q.· · Did anybody say to you, "Don't design a product
·that looks like the iPhone," or words to that effect?
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· The question is argumentative,
·vague.
· · · A.· · Whether that was said or not, no, I've never
·heard of that before, and as the leader of the project, I
·just proceeded in the perspective of developing the
·Galaxy S.
·BY MR. STERN:
· · · Q.· · What does that mean, "proceeded in the
·perspective of developing the Galaxy S"?
· · · A.· · We took the given hardware specs, the design
·direction from the Haptic, the Jet, to the Galaxy S, and
·afterwards, just took the perspective of that design and
·concentrated only on that and did not refer to anything
·that anybody else said.
· · · Q.· · But you knew, didn't you, Mr. Lee, that the
·smartphone that you were developing would compete with the
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·understand, so I just talked -- gave a simple one.
·BY MR. ZELLER:
· · · Q.· · What you provided in your answers were examples
·of ways that you sought to differentiate the Galaxy S?
· · · · · · MR. STERN:· Objection to the extent that it
·purports to be a gloss or modification of his previous
·answer.· Also object as leading.
· · · A.· · Differentiating the design, that is to have it
·different from others and to have the exclusive Samsung
·heritage, it starts from the inside of the design.· And
·there are hundreds of considerations and different types
·that I have given, and I just gave you one single example,
·an easy talk.
· · · · · · But in the design concept, there's various
·other things, such as materials and weight, so forth.
·Weight was also an important consideration, heavy, light,
·how do I make it?· I want it to be to consumers, "Wow,
·this is the weight that -- it feels like what I've been
·using."· So I, in designing the Galaxy S, concentrated as
·well on getting the right weight.· I thought that if it
·was the weight of a cup of coffee, it would come across as
·friendly to consumers, what they're used to holding in the
·morning, so I made it similar to that.
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·what parts, deciding the size, those are all cases of
·differentiation, like the cup of coffee.
· · · Q.· · Do you believe that you were successful in
·differentiating the Galaxy S in ways other than size?
· · · A.· · Yes, of course.· I think we succeeded and
·differentiated in many ways.
· · · · · · MR. ZELLER:· I have nothing further.· Thank
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