Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. et al

Filing 1346

Unredacted Exhibits to Bartlett Decl ISO Apple's Response to Samsung's Opening Memo Re Design Patent Claim Construction (Dkt. No. 1140) re 1256 Order on Administrative Motion to File Under Seal, by Apple Inc.. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit 2, # 2 Exhibit 3, # 3 Exhibit 4, # 4 Exhibit 5, # 5 Exhibit 6, # 6 Exhibit 7, # 7 Exhibit 8, # 8 Exhibit 9, # 9 Exhibit 10, # 10 Exhibit 11, # 11 Exhibit 12, # 12 Exhibit 13, # 13 Exhibit 14, # 14 Exhibit 27)(Jacobs, Michael) (Filed on 7/25/2012) Modified text on 7/26/2012 (dhm, COURT STAFF).

Exhibit 14
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·1· · · · · ·UNITED STATES INTERNATIONAL TRADE COMMISSION
·2· · · · · · · · · · · · ·WASHINGTON, D.C.
·3· ·_______________________________________
·4· ·In the Matter of:
·5· ·CERTAIN ELECTRONIC DIGITAL· · · · · · · · Case No.:
·6· ·MEDIA DEVICES AND COMPONENTS· · · · · · · 337-TA-796
·7· ·THEREOF
·8· ·_______________________________________
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14· · · · · · · ·VIDEOTAPED PERSONAL DEPOSITION OF:
15· · · · · · · · · · ·GI-YOUNG LEE, VOLUME 2
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18· · · · · · · · · · · · February 17, 2012
19· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Kim & Chang
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·to stipulation of counsel, was examined and testified
·through the interpreter as follows:
· · · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
·BY MR. ZHANG:
· · · ·Q.· ·Good morning, Miss Lee.
· · · ·A.· ·Good morning.
· · · ·Q.· ·Do you recall that before we started our
·deposition yesterday, you took an oath to tell the
·truth?
· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
· · · ·Q.· ·And do you understand that you are still
·under that oath here today?
· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
· · · · · · MR. ZHANG:· I'd like to mark as the next
·exhibit a set of CAD drawings Bates labeled
·SAMNDCA-CAD000030.
· · · · · · (Exhibit 12 was marked for identification.)
· · · · · · VIDEOGRAPHER:· Can we go off the record for
·one second?· I've just got to change something.· Stand
·by.· I'm going off the record.· The time is 9:40.
· · · · · · (Recess taken from 9:40 a.m. to 9:41 a.m.)
· · · · · · VIDEOGRAPHER:· The time is 9:41.· We're back
·on the record.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Miss Lee, if you could
·please review the CAD drawings quickly.

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· · · ·A.· ·No.
· · · · · · MR. ZHANG:· I'll mark as the next exhibit a
·Samsung phone model produced under number 45 that
·appears to relate to an S1 project.
· · · · · · (Exhibit 14 was marked for identification.)
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Miss Lee, if you could
·please review the model and tell me if you recognize
·it.
· · · ·A.· ·Yes, I do.
· · · ·Q.· ·Do you recognize it to be one of the models
·produced during the S1 project?
· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
· · · ·Q.· ·Did you personally make this model?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·I did not personally make this.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Do you know who made this
·model?
· · · ·A.· ·I don't exactly recall.
· · · ·Q.· ·Does the model's physical appearance appear
·altered to you in any way?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·I'm not sure.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Do you see any changes in
·the model here today that you don't recall seeing the
·last time that you saw the model?

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· · · · · · Do you recognize the design that's depicted
·in these drawings?
· · · ·A.· ·I can recognize what this design is of.
· · · · · · COURT REPORTER:· I'm sorry, "I can" or "I
·can't"?
· · · · · · LEAD INTERPRETER A. KIM:· "I can."
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Is this the Volga phone
·design that you worked on at Samsung?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, lacks foundation.
· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· And do you know if the Volga
·phone was released into a commercial product?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·I don't know.
· · · · · · MR. ZHANG:· I'd like to mark as the next
·exhibit a Samsung phone model produced under number 48,
·and that appears to relate to the S4 project.
· · · · · · (Exhibit 13 was marked for identification.)
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Miss Lee, if you could
·review the model and tell me if you recognize what it
·is.
· · · ·A.· ·I don't quite recognize it.
· · · ·Q.· ·Did you work on the S4 project?
· · · ·A.· ·No.
· · · ·Q.· ·Do you know what the S4 project is?

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· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·I'm not quite sure, because it has been
·quite some time since I last saw it.
· · · · · · MR. ZHANG:· Okay.· I'll mark as the next
·exhibit a Samsung phone model produced under number 58.
· · · · · · (Exhibit 15 was marked for identification.)
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Miss Lee, if you could
·please review the model and tell me if you recognize
·it.
· · · ·A.· ·This is a model that I've seen before.
· · · ·Q.· ·Was this model produced during the S1
·project?
· · · ·A.· ·Probably so, I think.
· · · ·Q.· ·Did you personally make this model?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·As to that, I'm not sure.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Do you know who did make the
·model?
· · · ·A.· ·I'm not exactly sure.
· · · ·Q.· ·Does the physical appearance of the model
·look different than when the last time you saw it?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·Likewise, I don't quite recall as to that,
·given that it has been a long time now.
· · · · · · MR. ZHANG:· I'll mark as the next exhibit a

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· · · ·Q.· ·What do you recognize it to be?
· · · ·A.· ·This is an article reflecting in-house
·interview.
· · · ·Q.· ·Did you and Mr. Tae Joong Kim work together
·on the Galaxy Nexus?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague, lacks
·foundation.
· · · ·A.· ·In some area we did together.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· What area did you guys -- do
·you and Mr. Kim work together on the Nexus?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·Designs . . .
· · · · · · (Interpreters conferring.)
· · · ·A.· ·Design specification.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Is it true that you and
·Mr. Kim prepared this blog post together?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague, lacks
·foundation.
· · · ·A.· ·We did not prepare this article as
·reflected.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER P. KIM:· "Ourselves."
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Do you recall my asking you
·this question yesterday during your Northern District
·of California deposition?
· · · ·A.· ·Are you saying that you asked this same

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· · · ·Q.· ·Are there any detriments to having a curved
·front face for a touchscreen cellular phone?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·I'm not sure about that.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· You're not aware of any
·increased cost associated with making the front surface
·of the Galaxy Nexus curved?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague, lacks
·foundation.
· · · ·A.· ·I would think there would be also an
·increase in cost.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Aside from cost, any other
·detriments that you're aware of for making the front
·surface of a mobile phone curved?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·Not that I can come up with at this moment.
· · · · · · MR. ZHANG:· I'd like to show the witness
·what was previously marked as Exhibit 19 at the JinSoo
·Kim deposition.· And that is a Galaxy Vibrant phone.
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, mischaracterizes the
·record.
· · · · · · MR. ZHANG:· Is it not a Vibrant phone?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· It's a Vibrant, it's just not
·necessarily called Galaxy Vibrant.· It's a Samsung
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·question whether we prepared this article ourselves
·yesterday?
· · · ·Q.· ·I'll ask a different question.
· · · · · · Do you recall testifying yesterday that you
·and Mr. Kim prepared this blog post?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, mischaracterizes
·prior testimony.
· · · ·A.· ·We prepared it together, in part.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Is it true that the front
·face of the Galaxy Nexus is curved?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· What are the advantages of
·having a front surface to a touchscreen cellular phone
·that is curved rather than flat?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague, lacks
·foundation.
· · · ·A.· ·Like I testified earlier on NDCAL case,
·since human face is shaped curved, I remember
·testifying that the advantage, therefore, based on
·that, would be advantageous to have it curved.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Can you think of any other
·advantages here today?
· · · ·A.· ·I don't quite recall anything else at the
·moment.

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· · · · · · MR. ZHANG:· Oh, it's a Samsung Vibrant,
·okay.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Miss Lee, if you could
·please take the phone out of the box and hold it up so
·that the camera can make a record of it.
· · · ·A.· ·(Deponent complies.)
· · · · · · MR. ZHANG:· Do you have it?· Okay.· Good.
·Thank you.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Miss Lee, do you know of a
·reason why the speaker slot on a touchscreen mobile
·phone could not be located at the top of the front
·surface immediately underneath the metal band that
·surrounds the front surface?
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER P. KIM:· (Speaking in
·Korean.)
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague,
·mischaracterizes the record.
· · · ·A.· ·I'm not sure about that.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Does that mean you know of a
·reason or you don't know of a reason?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Same objections.
· · · ·A.· ·I'm saying that I don't know about that for
·sure.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Were you involved with the
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·reasons, but none that I can come up with at this time.
· · · ·Q.· ·Are you aware of any detriments to having
·rounded corners on a touchscreen cellular phone?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·None that I can think of at this time.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Are you aware of a detriment
·associated with rounded corners whereby space is taken
·away from the interior of the phone for components?
·Maybe I can ask that better.
· · · · · · Are you aware that rounded corners on a
·cellular phone can take away interior space for
·components?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·I think that may vary depending on the shape
·of components.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· So turning your attention to
·page 2 of Exhibit 2 again, and comparing the Vibrant
·phone that's in front of you to the photograph of the
·Vegas phone depicted on the page, would you agree with
·me that the corner design on the Vegas phone is
·different than the corner design on the Vibrant phone?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.· Also object
·to comparing a photograph to an actual object that
·she's holding in her hand.
· · · ·A.· ·So just to clarify, did you just ask me one

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·feedback from anyone at Samsung that a particular phone
·design was not comfortable to use?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·I may have, but I cannot come up with any at
·this moment.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· When you design a phone, is
·user comfort one of the factors that you take into
·account?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·It may be one of the factors.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Has it ever been one of the
·factors?· And by that, I mean user comfort.· Actually,
·let me start over.
· · · · · · Has user comfort ever been one of the factors
·that you considered when designing a phone at Samsung?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·Not that I can think of at this moment.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Miss Lee, do you know of a
·reason why the active area on a touchscreen cellular
·phone has to be centered on the front face of the
·phone?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·I think that varies depending on the phone.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· So in your opinion, it is
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· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
· · · ·Q.· ·Do you think that the Vegas phone would be
·just as comfortable for the user to use as the
·Galaxy -- or, I'm sorry, the Samsung Vibrant phone?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·I don't know about that.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· So you have no information
·either way; is that correct?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Same objection.
· · · ·A.· ·I don't think I can state as to that solely
·by looking at the front surface of a phone, because
·that may vary depending on what level of comfort the
·user might feel.
· · · · · · CHECK INTERPRETER P. KIM:· "Front shape."
· · · · · · LEAD INTERPRETER A. KIM:· "The front surface
·shape," that is.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Is there a department at
·Samsung that performs testing on cell phone designs to
·determine whether customers would find them to be
·comfortable to use?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·I am not exactly sure about that.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· Have you ever received

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·phone where the active area is not centered on the
·front face?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague.
· · · ·A.· ·I think it may not be centered right in the
·mid-point of the front surface.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· And referring to page 2 of
·Exhibit 2, once again, would you agree with me that on
·the Victory phone depicted there, the active area of -·the active area is not centered on the front surface?
· · · · · · MS. NEILL:· Objection, vague; object, the
·quality of the photograph and the witness being asked
·to determine what the active area is.
· · · ·A.· ·I find it hard to make that distinction
·solely by looking at this photograph.
· · · ·Q.· ·(By MR. ZHANG)· So the photograph . . .
· · · ·A.· ·And I also believe by determining on the
·active area, this phone will be ambiguous, because
·looking at this photograph reflected on this page, I
·don't know whether this is a photograph depicting a
·mock-up phone or actually a phone that has been
·commercially released.
· · · ·Q.· ·So I believe you had two concerns about the
·question, one was that the photograph is of poor
·quality, so if I were to ask you the same question, but
·to just tell you that I'm only asking you to look at

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